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mhsellwood wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, so let me get this straight. Supposedly ALL AOS models will have rules to run in this.
So If I wanted too. We could get my Bloodbound, and my friends Stormcast. and have an adeventure where the bloodbound have to slaughter their way through a Stormcast eternal stronghold. Eventually killing the Celestant Prime?

Apparently, only if you're willing to pay money for every extra bit of rules for those existing models.

So, you pay for rules to use new models in Silver Tower. Naughty GW, after all other companies give you additional rules and board game expansions for free.

If you're going to try for passive-aggressive sarcasm, I suggest you practice a little, you're not that good at it.

The goal of including AoS products in WHQ would seem to be to increase sales in both, by encouraging people who don't play AoS to buy AoS models for use in WHQ, and to encourage AoS players to buy into WHQ as an extra way to play with their toys. Given that, charging people money, likely a bloody lot of money if you have a big AoS collection or want a big WHQ collection, is utterly counter-productive, and as usual GW's left hand evidently grasp that(hence why so much of the AoS ruleset is free) while their right do not(hence why they're now inexplicably planning to charge microtransactions for these rules).

As for other companies, well, I can't decide if comparing a custom designed full-size full-price expansion product to likely-ridiculous-since-we're-talking-about-GW-here microtransaction rules for porting existing products from one of your games to another in an attempt to make the latter look rational is hilarious, or just sad. Maybe both, I suppose.

EDIT: Look at it this way - you evidently see offering WHQ rules for AoS models as GW doing their fans a service they should be grateful -and thus willing to pay- for. I see it as them attempting to make their products more attractive to potential customers and broaden the appeal of AoS models, in which case not making the offer as attractive as possible is counter-productive.

Full AoS support sounds great! I am a fan of micro purchases - I have purchased many battle plans as micro purchases. Of course free rules are even better.


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It's interesting that the Aelfs don't have any faction keywords. GW not wanting to give us any hints just yet...

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:


Is there a source for this? So far, everything AoS has had free rules and datasheets.
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Rumors say they'll be a WHQ App that'll allow you to purchase new hero rules and warscrolls.

The price of that purchase or whether "new heroes" means that current AoS heroes will be free like legacy warscroll formations were remains to be seen.

@Bottle,

Indeed, their warscroll leaks even have them completely alone on the picture where as the other heroes have their respective armies behind them.

GW is being very sneaky with it's eldritch masters.

The Tenebrand Shard's AoS rules are great. Should help keep your opponent's wizards honest...

I'm really looking forward to this release, not just because of the WHQ logo but because if GW follow precedent and capitalise on releases like they've done in the past, bespoke Tzeentch stuff might not be too far off.

As an aside, local GW manager said something BIG is coming for AoS in summer. Tried to get some more info out of him but all he would say is that none of the rumour forums have even hinted at it yet...? In his words, he said that for him it was more exciting than the general's handbook.

mhsellwood wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, so let me get this straight. Supposedly ALL AOS models will have rules to run in this.
So If I wanted too. We could get my Bloodbound, and my friends Stormcast. and have an adeventure where the bloodbound have to slaughter their way through a Stormcast eternal stronghold. Eventually killing the Celestant Prime?

Apparently, only if you're willing to pay money for every extra bit of rules for those existing models.

So, you pay for rules to use new models in Silver Tower. Naughty GW, after all other companies give you additional rules and board game expansions for free.

Maybe they could have put them all into some sort of book and included it in the boxed set? Who knows, maybe that's a concept too far.

@RoperPG,

He might be talking about that global summer campaign rumor for AoS. Definitely waiting for more rumors on that before letting up on the salt.

@Fenrir, App's better for purchasing what hero info you need and can keep up-to-date without feeling outdated within a few months when new heroes are released.

There's also the white dwarf magazines.

Baron Klatz wrote:
@RoperPG,

He might be talking about that global summer campaign rumor for AoS. Definitely waiting for more rumors on that before letting up on the salt.

That's the bit that got me confused. We'd already talked about the general's handbook and Silver Tower, and I'd tried to get him to give up some juice on the campaign, so it's not that. All I do know is he saw about it at the same manager's meeting where they were briefed on general's handbook.
But yeah, I'm not giving up on the condiments just yet.

RoperPG wrote:
The Tenebrand Shard's AoS rules are great. Should help keep your opponent's wizards honest....

I'll say. I basically read that rule as "kill any wizard/priest/warmachine crew on a roll of 4 or more."

The rules for the other characters seem pretty average to me. Not bad, nothing else struck me as "wow" though.

RoperPG wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
@RoperPG,

He might be talking about that global summer campaign rumor for AoS. Definitely waiting for more rumors on that before letting up on the salt.

That's the bit that got me confused. We'd already talked about the general's handbook and Silver Tower, and I'd tried to get him to give up some juice on the campaign, so it's not that. All I do know is he saw about it at the same manager's meeting where they were briefed on general's handbook.
But yeah, I'm not giving up on the condiments just yet.

Yeah the rumor is that the summer global campaign is going to effect the fluff of the next campaign book or possibly black library novels since they make story books out of those sometimes.

Baron Klatz wrote:
@RoperPG,

He might be talking about that global summer campaign rumor for AoS. Definitely waiting for more rumors on that before letting up on the salt.

@Fenrir, App's better for purchasing what hero info you need and can keep up-to-date without feeling outdated within a few months when new heroes are released.

There's also the white dwarf magazines.

an app?

I actually like the Qunari errr I mean Ogre.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
@RoperPG,

He might be talking about that global summer campaign rumor for AoS. Definitely waiting for more rumors on that before letting up on the salt.

@Fenrir, App's better for purchasing what hero info you need and can keep up-to-date without feeling outdated within a few months when new heroes are released.

There's also the white dwarf magazines.

an app?

The rumoured WHQ app to accompany the game.

Create a hero!

Player progression between games confirmed then. Very cool, I'm pretty sure for WHQ, I'll be able to find players to play with more regularly, since my group is mainly a GW group. And being able to use any currently available plastic character? That's... awesome. I think I see lots of clampacks in my future...

Hold the phone:

... and contains an in-app store through which you can purchase new skills, treasure and hero cards...

Umm... did GW just release a freemium tabletop game?

I expect they'll be like expansion packs?

So rather than release a new set of physical treasure cards you can buy them in the app?

Will wait and see.

All the rest sounds great (create your own hero/use any current AoS hero).

Buying skills. With money.

If I know the rules for the skill, can't I just give it to my character. Why must I pay more money for it? It'd be like having an app to build a Space Marine army, but having to pay money to add heavy weapons to your Dev squad... after paying money to add a Dev squad.

I really, really hope I'm wrong about this.

It all depends on the pricing IMO. I'm used to microtransactions from video games and am not opposed to them in principle. It's all about pricing.

Although I don't think these will be skills that will be available in the rule book, that would be weird. Most likely completely new skills.

And again, once they're out in the wild, why would I need to pay for them? Couldn't I just say that my Dwyvyn Fyrslyr has the skill, and write it down myself? Why am I paying actual money to add a rule to a unit?

Paying money for individual rules? Are you kidding me? This needs expanding upon, because this sounds like the worst kind of exploititive microtransaction bull gak I've ever heard.

I mean, if you bought an online Space Wolf Codex that then asked you to pay extra money before it added the Long Fang unit to the Codex, and more money for each Heavy Weapon choice, for a table top game, would you stand for it?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Couldn't I just say that my Dwyvyn Fyrslyr has the skill, and write it down myself?

Sure could, pretty sure lots of people do this with lots of games....

~Edit~ namely 90% of D&D characters ever made lol

 zfreie wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Couldn't I just say that my Dwyvyn Fyrslyr has the skill, and write it down myself?

Sure could, pretty sure lots of people do this with lots of games....

~Edit~ namely 90% of D&D characters ever made lol

So, again, why am I having to pay for it through an app?

Some of these models are simply breath taking. The sculpting is superb, and I'm truly in awe of what GW has conjured. On a cognitive dissonance level though, I almost prefer the fun simplicity of the first warhammer quest. Minotaurs, orcs, goblins, spiders, rats, skaven, bats, snotlings and goblins.

I'm probably just a silly old fashion traditionalist though who loved hero quest and Steve Jackson / Ian Livingstone books. Still, if this is the direction GW is going to go, this could make me jump aboard. AOS here I come

EDIT

Something I'm not so sure on is the tiles. They look beautifully detailed for a Tzeentchian temple, but I used to love the plainness of the others. It could be a dungeon, or a palace, or a fort with no allegience. You could really summon up stories. Then again, maybe this is compatible with D&D and Game Mastery maps and cards

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And again, once they're out in the wild, why would I need to pay for them? Couldn't I just say that my Dwyvyn Fyrslyr has the skill, and write it down myself? Why am I paying actual money to add a rule to a unit?

Paying money for individual rules? Are you kidding me? This needs expanding upon, because this sounds like the worst kind of exploititive microtransaction bull gak I've ever heard.

I mean, if you bought an online Space Wolf Codex that then asked you to pay extra money before it added the Long Fang unit to the Codex, and more money for each Heavy Weapon choice, for a table top game, would you stand for it?

Agreed.

If there's a physical purchase (expansion or character pack) that then unlocks something on the app; fine I'll consider that and probably be happy to do that.

But an app that lets you buy archetypes/skills/weapons for use in a boardgame will be a step into the new world that I might not want to take.

GW are a model company, I buy the model I want to use it. No extra hidden purchases please.

 Mymearan wrote:
It all depends on the pricing IMO. I'm used to microtransactions from video games and am not opposed to them in principle. It's all about pricing.

Although I don't think these will be skills that will be available in the rule book, that would be weird. Most likely completely new skills.

Yeah, pricing is all it comes down to. Would I rather pay $60 for a digital book, $60 in microtransactions, or $30 in microtransactions for the 50% that I use? Obviously, there's going to be a population that wants to pay $0 for 100% of the rules, like AoS, but I guess WHQ isn't going to be price-structured that way.

In general, I'm not a fan of the concept of microtransactions, mostly because I'm a completionist and want 100% of the rules even if I'm using 0.5% of them, but that's never really stopped me from spending on them. Among other things, most companies have a discounted, "get it all" pack, or better, a price that gives you everything that's out now plus all the things that are coming down the line. I don't think it's a terrible thing that GW is trying it out -- it should be pretty apparent fairly quickly if there is great resistance to it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 zfreie wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Couldn't I just say that my Dwyvyn Fyrslyr has the skill, and write it down myself?

Sure could, pretty sure lots of people do this with lots of games....

~Edit~ namely 90% of D&D characters ever made lol

So, again, why am I having to pay for it through an app?

Well above you said you didn't have to that you would just write it down, so unless I'm mistaken, your not paying for anything.

However, why should you, well to support a game company I guess?

I hate microtransactions. They are bad enough in video games, no need to bring them to board games.
Also: you purchase the game, you purchase the app ("You can buy the My Hero app at the Apple App Store and Google Play") and then also need to buy rules for hero models you bought seperately, already for a premium price?
I really hope it's not as bad as it sounds right now, because if it is, I hope GW fails miserably with this approach.

I can see it taking approximately 30 seconds for any new content to make it onto forums and added to a google docs spreadsheet unless they are sneaky and hide the actual rules behind the scenes and modify the built in dice roller with any bonuses/penalties.

On the one hand I can kind of see the sense in selling skills individually as if multiple new archetypes use the same skill, why would you want to buy it twice in character packs... but this points to generic skills like Dungeon Saga, rather than the more interesting character specific skills that we had in the old character expansions.

Hopefully we will get Character packs that come with the character and all the necessary skills and some new race/career specific treasure...

I think a nice use of this app would be to have the level/race specific event/monster tables in here with Faction packs.

I guess we will find out in a couple of weeks to see the full extent.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hold the phone:

... and contains an in-app store through which you can purchase new skills, treasure and hero cards...

Umm... did GW just release a freemium tabletop game?

I don't think so. Most games that use microtransactions at least give you the core game for free...

It's just an electronic (micro? Depending on how they are sold together) expansion.

Don't really see what's to get het up about.

At the moment, this is all just conjecture. Let's see where we are when it's actually released, shall we?