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I wonder how the order vs death battles are going to be addressed in the background? IIRC Godbeasts has Nagash's forces marching along side Stormcast at the end.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
So what happens if Tomb Kings and Bretonnia win?

It looks like its going to be based on Grand Alliances (Order, Chaos, Death and Destruction), not individual factions.

Then Tomb Kings and Bretonnia players should form their own Grand Alliance, the Squatforged, and report their battles under that.

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:
I think the point being that it really should have been given its own separate News and Rumour thread and really should have one in the News & Rumours section for future releases. That link is simply for discussing pros and cons of buying the contents of the boxset over discussions about expansions and future Silver Tower related releases

For the next Silver Tower release, we can definitely make a separate thread (as I already posted above!). I think it's a bit odd to do it at the moment with no "new news", so just ping me when there is a release and we'll get it its own thread

(And let's stop discussing that possibility here now, please, since we're going to do it at the first opportunity )

Check with your FLGS' on if they're running the campaign. I hear that stores participating are getting early store copies of the General's Handbook next week for it.

So I assume the points over hull will be out by the time of this campaign? Other wise their is little point, in a game were RAW more or less makes it so the person with the deepest pockets and model supply wins.

WayneTheGame wrote:
Man I kinda want to look at AoS now. But I also want to look at 40k... and HH... and the new edition of Warmachine is out now too... gah.

So the "Muster" thing is just a global campaign, correct? And presumably new armies and such.

Indeed, the AoS Facebook said that this campaign will mark the closing of the Realmgate series and the outcome will affect the next storyline. (So if you don't want to read about boring old chaos and the gross consequences from Nurgle taking the realm of life then fight for glorious Order. )

 EnTyme wrote:
Well I guess this is the right place for this question. There was an alleged GW release schedule posted last week that mentioned "AoS Death" in autumn. Some people mentioned this possibly meaning a Death expansion for Silver Tower. Any possibility of this being new models for the Death Grand Alliance?

That leak seemed pretty bad, most rumors say the expansion will arrive in December.

Fitting as that'll certainly mean ol' saint Nagash will be going down the chimneys of all the good little ghouls and vampires and bringing them their new models.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
So what happens if Tomb Kings and Bretonnia win?

It looks like its going to be based on Grand Alliances (Order, Chaos, Death and Destruction), not individual factions.

Then Tomb Kings and Bretonnia players should form their own Grand Alliance, the Squatforged, and report their battles under that.

So Death then?

 Lockark wrote:
So I assume the points over hull will be out by the time of this campaign? Other wise their is little point, in a game were RAW more or less makes it so the person with the deepest pockets and model supply wins.

Well it is rumored to come out June 22. Even if it doesn't there's tons of comps and fan-made balance systems to use.

 Platuan4th wrote:
Check with your FLGS' on if they're running the campaign. I hear that stores participating are getting early store copies of the General's Handbook next week for it.

Cool!

Baron Klatz wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
Well I guess this is the right place for this question. There was an alleged GW release schedule posted last week that mentioned "AoS Death" in autumn. Some people mentioned this possibly meaning a Death expansion for Silver Tower. Any possibility of this being new models for the Death Grand Alliance?

That leak seemed pretty bad, most rumors say the expansion will arrive in December.

Fitting as that'll certainly mean ol' saint Nagash will be going down the chimneys of all the good little ghouls and vampires and bringing them their new models.

Hopefully just in time for me to start a Death army. I'm basically just waiting for the official points system so I can use it to rally some of the WHFB players in my area. Don't see much point in starting an army I can't even use.

RiTides wrote:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:
I think the point being that it really should have been given its own separate News and Rumour thread and really should have one in the News & Rumours section for future releases. That link is simply for discussing pros and cons of buying the contents of the boxset over discussions about expansions and future Silver Tower related releases

For the next Silver Tower release, we can definitely make a separate thread (as I already posted above!). I think it's a bit odd to do it at the moment with no "new news", so just ping me when there is a release and we'll get it its own thread

(And let's stop discussing that possibility here now, please, since we're going to do it at the first opportunity )

Thanks for that Will take that advice on board

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
So what happens if Tomb Kings and Bretonnia win?

It looks like its going to be based on Grand Alliances (Order, Chaos, Death and Destruction), not individual factions.

Then Tomb Kings and Bretonnia players should form their own Grand Alliance, the Squatforged, and report their battles under that.

I'd say those battle reports won't find the official results somehow

The General's Handbook is not slated for June. Everything is pointing towards July 23rd for preorders, July 30th for release.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I wonder how the order vs death battles are going to be addressed in the background? IIRC Godbeasts has Nagash's forces marching along side Stormcast at the end.

Nagash is using them he is still recovering at that point if you listen to the audiodrama it's pretty clear that nagash is only out for himself and his faithful. Still from a fluff stand point I think it would be more interesting if destruction or death wins. Death winning will be interesting from a fluff stand point in my opinion and if destruction wins? Well I know for sure its going to be hilarious.

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
So what happens if Tomb Kings and Bretonnia win?

It looks like its going to be based on Grand Alliances (Order, Chaos, Death and Destruction), not individual factions.

Then Tomb Kings and Bretonnia players should form their own Grand Alliance, the Squatforged, and report their battles under that.

I'd say those battle reports won't find the official results somehow

On the Warhammer Age of Sigmar Facebook page a similar question came up. The response from the GW team was that victories will be by Grand Alliance, but that Brettonians and Tomb Kings are welcome to submit (for Order and Death respectively). The rumour is also that points will be in the Generals Handbook for all models that have warscrolls - and given that you can still download the Brettonian and Tomb King warscrolls (https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Warhammer-Age-of-Sigmar-Rules) I think you can assume points for both of these armies, so there really shouldn't need to be a debate over whether they can participate in the campaign.

Well said, mhsellwood. (Have an exalt )

It wouldn't matter much anyway, they'd just be put them down as a proxy force of a either a random human force or undead disturbed from their tombs. The older editions did that as well.

Edit: @Kanluwen, thanks for the general handbook rumor update!

 shinros wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
I wonder how the order vs death battles are going to be addressed in the background? IIRC Godbeasts has Nagash's forces marching along side Stormcast at the end.

Nagash is using them he is still recovering at that point if you listen to the audiodrama it's pretty clear that nagash is only out for himself and his faithful. Still from a fluff stand point I think it would be more interesting if destruction or death wins. Death winning will be interesting from a fluff stand point in my opinion and if destruction wins? Well I know for sure its going to be hilarious.

Well at least destruction winning would mean they have less danger of losing anybody important. For others important guys(and generally not important guys) are effectively immortal so losing means squash do.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The General's Handbook is not slated for June. Everything is pointing towards July 23rd for preorders, July 30th for release.

That's unfortunate. So if you want to help your faction win the campaign, just make sure you buy/build a army out of nothing but the best unit in your army and take more of them then your opponent. Atleast if your playing AoS "raw".

I know at my local GW's basically the way they have been playing age of sigmar is both players lay out the units they want to use and the employee on at the time "suggests" how to balance the forces. I imagen for FLGS they would just tell people to use some established comp system. (As far as I understand, the GW employees try to discourage people form using the comp rules because they are not "official"/GW approved).


With the current way the armies are built their is so many outside influences on the match ups, it makes it hard to realy get invested. Past campaigns struggled with preventing people from manipulating the results, and feels the current state of age of sigmar just opens up a can of worms.

Apparently stores taking part in the campaign will receive an early copy of The General's Handbook in advance. This will allow players at the store to build their army for the campaign. The campaign will also have its own battleplans (4 of 'em).

 Lockark wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The General's Handbook is not slated for June. Everything is pointing towards July 23rd for preorders, July 30th for release.

That's unfortunate. So if you want to help your faction win the campaign, just make sure you buy/build a army out of nothing but the best unit in your army and take more of them then your opponent. Atleast if your playing AoS "raw".

I know at my local GW's basically the way they have been playing age of sigmar is both players lay out the units they want to use and the employee on at the time "suggests" how to balance the forces. I imagen for FLGS they would just tell people to use some established comp system. (As far as I understand, the GW employees try to discourage people form using the comp rules because they are not "official"/GW approved).


With the current way the armies are built their is so many outside influences on the match ups, it makes it hard to realy get invested. Past campaigns struggled with preventing people from manipulating the results, and feels the current state of age of sigmar just opens up a can of worms.

Huh? there could easily be force orgs in the book. No one knows except it will have points. I really not understanding what your going for here. A points system will balance people from going "im taking 6 nagashes"

The points handbook is slated for store copy use July 1st. Then it releases 3-4 weeks later.

How they will keep track of wins/etc is when you win, your GW store or FLGS will give you a special card with a unique code. You go on the website, enter the code, and do the battle report.

str00dles1 wrote:

Huh? there could easily be force orgs in the book. No one knows except it will have points. I really not understanding what your going for here. A points system will balance people from going "im taking 6 nagashes"

That's not strictly true. If you have the points, nothing will stop you from fielding multiple Nagashes.

 Kanluwen wrote:

str00dles1 wrote:

Huh? there could easily be force orgs in the book. No one knows except it will have points. I really not understanding what your going for here. A points system will balance people from going "im taking 6 nagashes"

That's not strictly true. If you have the points, nothing will stop you from fielding multiple Nagashes.

Except you can't really. Cause there's only one Nagash, so it'd be silly to have multiples on the board.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

str00dles1 wrote:

Huh? there could easily be force orgs in the book. No one knows except it will have points. I really not understanding what your going for here. A points system will balance people from going "im taking 6 nagashes"

That's not strictly true. If you have the points, nothing will stop you from fielding multiple Nagashes.

Except you can't really. Cause there's only one Nagash, so it'd be silly to have multiples on the board.

Unfortunately, that's not what the AoS FAQ ruling preliminary said.


There is, as far as I can remember off the top of my head, just one character with a "your army may only include one" rule and that is the Celestant Prime.
I do agree with you that it would be silly to have multiples on the board, but...that seems pretty cut and dry.

That's how I'd rule it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

str00dles1 wrote:

Huh? there could easily be force orgs in the book. No one knows except it will have points. I really not understanding what your going for here. A points system will balance people from going "im taking 6 nagashes"

That's not strictly true. If you have the points, nothing will stop you from fielding multiple Nagashes.

Currently - yes.

But when the book comes, like I said, we don't know. The book could say for games with points as its their "tournament" style of play, they could easily have in the book only 1 of each named character for this type of play. From what ive been told, the book is very large, its not all just going to be "Name - Points for 5-10-15 etc per unit"

str00dles1 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

str00dles1 wrote:

Huh? there could easily be force orgs in the book. No one knows except it will have points. I really not understanding what your going for here. A points system will balance people from going "im taking 6 nagashes"

That's not strictly true. If you have the points, nothing will stop you from fielding multiple Nagashes.

Currently - yes.

But when the book comes, like I said, we don't know. The book could say for games with points as its their "tournament" style of play, they could easily have in the book only 1 of each named character for this type of play. From what ive been told, the book is very large, its not all just going to be "Name - Points for 5-10-15 etc per unit"

I very much doubt that they're going to do so. They had the opportunity with Grand Alliance: Death to rectify the mistake of multiple Nagashes but did not do so.

Who the hell cares!? Are we seriously arguing about whether or not you should be allowed to have multiple Nagashes?

1) If a player wants to spend that much cash to play a Nagash horde (which I sincerely doubt there is even ONE player who has or will do this, ever), then I genuinely feel sorry for them if they are doing it simply to "win" games. If they are doing it because they love Nagash like nothing else in this world... well, whatever, and they're probably a weirdo.

2) This is a ridiculous argument in general, picked out on purpose, in order to criticize AoS. Okay, so it's "technically legal". That's great. You've made your point, you obviously don't want to play the game, so why are you in here attacking it? Those of us that care about the News (this is a news thread, by the way, so keep that in mind) about the impending campaign are already discussing the details about the General's Handbook early release for stores and how we're going to play and blah blah blah... going on and on about multiple Nagashes is literally contributing nothing.

You're right that it was picked out on purpose, but not to criticize AoS. It was to criticize the mistaken belief that somehow points are going to save the day.

Heads up, Kan vs Points has been done to death in general discussion. Suffice it to say anything he says in regards to AoS points WILL be negative regardless of the circumstance. It'd be better to drop that subject with him now rather than drag this thread into yet another long debate.

Back OT; from what my flgs told me there is no official restriction on how games must be played (and how would they regulate it anyways) so players are free to use their comp of choice and report the results. Unless it is taking place in a GW store proper there shouldn't be any issue.

So basically anyone can report as many wins as they want whenever? Sounds legit.

 jmurph wrote:
So basically anyone can report as many wins as they want whenever? Sounds legit.

No, because the store owner has the code needed to enter the stats, so if you report that you won 100 times in the last week it will probably raise an eyebrow and go unrecorded.

Correct, they have a code and you report it. Our store here is getting very involved in this (surprisingly) and they are having certain game formats that will be done and the games will be regulated.

Maybe the new sylvaneths? : /

No, it's someone's army. If you look there's both Stormcast and Sylvaneth stuff in there with heavy conversions on the Stormcast side.

The pictures are also from Warhammer Visions, which tends to showcase player generated content.