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Lord Kragan wrote:
Maybe the battleforce boxes are a test-up to see if they are viable or not. Considering the IJ sold like hot-cakes as well as a few others we MAY see another re-run.

No; the Ironjawz sold really well (I'm surprised, there was lots of people complaining about the gargant), the Sylvaneth sold like cakes from an extremely talented respotry chef.

They are of course viable: make a basic army with two purchases only? that is really convenient and can actually answer what several other companies do with expansions to basic armies.

I do think this boxes could get a re-run easily; many Fantasy miniatures did it, and many people wanted to get some boxes (many of us I'm sure) but for different reasons they couldn't. Certainly they had a great demand, damn, the only boxes that didn't sold out in half of the world are the Khorne Bloodbounds, every other AoS boxes were sold out in just a week.

The only thing we all can do is asking the Battleforces to return via Facebook; not a spam campaing, but a consistent petitioin. If we can't get them as permanent additions, we could still get them every December, or each major vacation.

 nicromancer wrote:

Osorios wrote:
I'm amazed how different the models look with round bases. You wouldn't think that it makes a difference, but it somehow does.

I wonder why they didn't decide to have the box ship out in time for Christmas.

Kid's get cash and vouchers for christmas and go into GW store. They see age of sigmar and decide "WOW, i want to get into that" but they can't afford the big starter box.
This is the perfect after christmas "cheap" option for kids to blow their cash on.


(kids including me,...)

Hey, we are all kid in our hearts and parts of our minds, that is a requirement for all of us .

The Battleforce sets feature the best selling armies.

Davor wrote:
I am curious as to why square bases are included as well for an Age of Sigmar product. Is this letting GW let people use what they want still? I think that is great.

I find this intriguing as well. I'm not sure that the argument of letting people choose really stacks up considering they have spent the last 18 months reboxing things and removing square/rectangular bases from them. It's possible they are just trying to clear a lot of old bases, but then why the purge on other box sets?

There's perhaps the possibility that they are recognising that there is still a market for ranked games? If we start to see more box sets with both round and square bases it will be interesting.

I find it funny that I could get the Thunderfist from my FLOGS on Thursday at a reduced price, but now it's sold out on GW site. I thought I was the only who wanted them.

Got an AdMech box for my brother- without -XX% though- but NOW he says he also wants the Sylvaneth one from our dad. NOW. Not last week when I told him they were limited, no. Punk.

I had a conversion idea needing Rat Ogre legs, but I forget what.

 Binabik15 wrote:
I find it funny that I could get the Thunderfist from my FLOGS on Thursday at a reduced price, but now it's sold out on GW site. I thought I was the only who wanted them.

Got an AdMech box for my brother- without -XX% though- but NOW he says he also wants the Sylvaneth one from our dad. NOW. Not last week when I told him they were limited, no. Punk.

I had a conversion idea needing Rat Ogre legs, but I forget what.

That's the thing considering the sylvaneth box got annihilated hell three of the forces are sold out only the khorne one is left. I want to get the spires of dawn box as soon as I can because I know I have a feeling in my bones people are going to blast it.

Hah, and now the Doomsayers are silent. That box is really a gift from GW to their fanbase!

 Whirlwind wrote:

Davor wrote:
I am curious as to why square bases are included as well for an Age of Sigmar product. Is this letting GW let people use what they want still? I think that is great.

I find this intriguing as well. I'm not sure that the argument of letting people choose really stacks up considering they have spent the last 18 months reboxing things and removing square/rectangular bases from them. It's possible they are just trying to clear a lot of old bases, but then why the purge on other box sets?

There's perhaps the possibility that they are recognising that there is still a market for ranked games? If we start to see more box sets with both round and square bases it will be interesting.

Or maybe, just maybe, they are aware some players keep using the square bases and wanted to give more choice for their customers. For free.

RazorEdge wrote:
The box will be "while Stocks last". Maybe a seperate release of both armies split in "start collecting" sets later in 2017?

Not on those sprues.

Not sure if this is exactly "news" but I think it's pretty neat.


Right I was just browsing the games work shop store when I came across this.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Ironjawz-Orruk-Gordrakk-on-Bigteef

When did GW start doing this? This is AMAZING unless I am a slowpoke people are sharing their own painted models and GW are posting em up.

The instagram images on the product page is very cool! Finally GW is realizing some of the value they have in their fans.

 Illumini wrote:
The instagram images on the product page is very cool! Finally GW is realizing some of the value they have in their fans.

Yeah it's on ALL the model pages. So if you want to be first send GW pictures of your mini's.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Sylvaneth-Kurnoth-Hunters

The kurnoth hunters look pretty great.

 Whirlwind wrote:

Davor wrote:
I am curious as to why square bases are included as well for an Age of Sigmar product. Is this letting GW let people use what they want still? I think that is great.

I find this intriguing as well. I'm not sure that the argument of letting people choose really stacks up considering they have spent the last 18 months reboxing things and removing square/rectangular bases from them. It's possible they are just trying to clear a lot of old bases, but then why the purge on other box sets?

There's perhaps the possibility that they are recognising that there is still a market for ranked games? If we start to see more box sets with both round and square bases it will be interesting.

Or maybe they try to please those players that sweared to their patron gods to avenge "muh gaem" and will destroy AoS much like GW destroyed Fantasy.

What do you mean with ranked? competitive games or rows? because for the first you can play with roundbases or proxies, for the second yeah, agree.

 Binabik15 wrote:
I find it funny that I could get the Thunderfist from my FLOGS on Thursday at a reduced price, but now it's sold out on GW site. I thought I was the only who wanted them.

Got an AdMech box for my brother- without -XX% though- but NOW he says he also wants the Sylvaneth one from our dad. NOW. Not last week when I told him they were limited, no. Punk.

I had a conversion idea needing Rat Ogre legs, but I forget what.

Yeah, I find weird the general bashing the Ironjawz got at release but now they were the second Battleforce to sold out. That ruined me, I wanted to get the 4 AoS boxes for sake of completeness.

You can still get discounts from independet retailers, but not the practical all-in-one box.

 shinros wrote:
Not sure if this is exactly "news" but I think it's pretty neat.


Right I was just browsing the games work shop store when I came across this.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Ironjawz-Orruk-Gordrakk-on-Bigteef

When did GW start doing this? This is AMAZING unless I am a slowpoke people are sharing their own painted models and GW are posting em up.

Gordrakk ? he was being around since the rest of Ironjawz.

... Ooooh, the gallery, it's being months, August or Spetember, it had an entry on the webstore blog.

Just a thought on the round/square base issue.

The sprues all seem to contain models with integral tabs that were designed for square slottabases. No new AoS models have been made this way so they would have to specially produce round/oval slottabases just for this set.

I'm guessing the original bases are included for people who want a quick and easy build or who lack the modelling skills to remove the tabs, whilst the round bases are for those who are concerned with matching the current AoS aesthetic and don't mind the extra work.


P.S. ordered already, finally taking the plunge with AoS with a great value starter

 Chimera_Calvin wrote:
Just a thought on the round/square base issue.

The sprues all seem to contain models with integral tabs that were designed for square slottabases. No new AoS models have been made this way so they would have to specially produce round/oval slottabases just for this set.

I'm guessing the original bases are included for people who want a quick and easy build or who lack the modelling skills to remove the tabs, whilst the round bases are for those who are concerned with matching the current AoS aesthetic and don't mind the extra work.

Maybe still it's helpful for those who may still play 8th or ninth age.

 Chimera_Calvin wrote:
Just a thought on the round/square base issue.

The sprues all seem to contain models with integral tabs that were designed for square slottabases. No new AoS models have been made this way so they would have to specially produce round/oval slottabases just for this set.

I'm guessing the original bases are included for people who want a quick and easy build or who lack the modelling skills to remove the tabs, whilst the round bases are for those who are concerned with matching the current AoS aesthetic and don't mind the extra work.

A very good point. If the round bases do have slots, tho, that might have interesting implications.

Almost every IoB/Spiredawn sold out.

This has to be a horrible Christmas.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Chimera_Calvin wrote:
Just a thought on the round/square base issue.

The sprues all seem to contain models with integral tabs that were designed for square slottabases. No new AoS models have been made this way so they would have to specially produce round/oval slottabases just for this set.

I'm guessing the original bases are included for people who want a quick and easy build or who lack the modelling skills to remove the tabs, whilst the round bases are for those who are concerned with matching the current AoS aesthetic and don't mind the extra work.

A very good point. If the round bases do have slots, tho, that might have interesting implications.

gw do make slotted round bases, at least at 25mm.

CMLR wrote:
Almost every IoB/Spiredawn sold out.

This has to be a horrible Christmas.

Not for the lucky ones that got them.

Even If I did not manage to be quick enough for any of the deals that I wanted its hardly a horrible christmas.

Who knows what deals GW will have in store for us in 2017.

FWIW - just checked on the GW website and if you filter by faction the Spire of Dawn set pops up in:

Clan Moulder, Clan Verminus and Clan Skryre (makes sense, all the models in the set still have rules/models within these factions)

Eldritch Council and Swifthawk Agents - this is the interesting bit for me. Obviously the Archmage and Swordmasters are current EC units. I would guess that the High Warden and Reavers will be designated as SA and the Spireguard as another EC unit - thoughts?

Posting this here as well.

Thanks to a great post on the grand alliance community for pointing this out(Olincay). It's not the greatest book in the world but it does kinda set the stage of what's going on and how life is like for a non chaos follower in a chaos controlled realm.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/aos/whaos-novs/gates-of-azyr.html

 Chimera_Calvin wrote:

I'm guessing the original bases are included for people who want a quick and easy build or who lack the modelling skills to remove the tabs, whilst the round bases are for those who are concerned with matching the current AoS aesthetic and don't mind the extra work.

GW have been making round slotta bases for over 25 years

Although It will be interesting to see if they provide solid or slotta bases in this set, I would have presumed slotta bases to match the models.

CMLR wrote:

Or maybe they try to please those players that sweared to their patron gods to avenge "muh gaem" and will destroy AoS much like GW destroyed Fantasy.

What do you mean with ranked? competitive games or rows? because for the first you can play with roundbases or proxies, for the second yeah,

Sorry my bad, didn't see it could be interpreted two ways, meant as in rows, not competitive games.

It's just weird, it doesn't make much sense just to have this box set with square bases.

 MangoMadness wrote:

 Chimera_Calvin wrote:

I'm guessing the original bases are included for people who want a quick and easy build or who lack the modelling skills to remove the tabs, whilst the round bases are for those who are concerned with matching the current AoS aesthetic and don't mind the extra work.

GW have been making round slotta bases for over 25 years

Although It will be interesting to see if they provide solid or slotta bases in this set, I would have presumed slotta bases to match the models.

As a GW customer since 1988 and a former employee I am well aware they have made round slottabases - BUT the Spire of Dawn set contains the new cavalry ovals for the Reavers and Skaven weapon teams, which have never been made as slottabases and large rounds for the Rat Ogors. Depending on size these may not have existing slottabase rounds (which were uncommon above infantry size).

My point was that I can't see GW tooling molds for 1 or 2 new kinds of base that their new kits will never use going forwards just to put into a rebox with old sprues that they are selling off for a ridiculously cheap price.


(I was going to say all of that in my original post and now wish I had have done to save me having to explain again!)

 Chimera_Calvin wrote:
BUT the Spire of Dawn set contains the new cavalry ovals for the Reavers and Skaven weapon teams, which have never been made as slottabases and large rounds for the Rat Ogors. Depending on size these may not have existing slottabase rounds (which were uncommon above infantry size).

My point was that I can't see GW tooling molds for 1 or 2 new kinds of base that their new kits will never use going forwards just to put into a rebox with old sprues that they are selling off for a ridiculously cheap price.

Do you really think GW would include 74 extra bases because 7 (old cav based) models would require a little modeling? It just doesnt sound like a reasonable way of going about it, throw in 7 extra cav bases sure but a whole extra set of 74 bases for the entire lot? just doesnt sound right.

I didnt count the ogres as they are 'plug foot' which would need minimal modelling skill to cut off to glue to a round base.

And the new(old) Spire of Dawn box set has already sold.

Goes to show what a good CEO can do, rebrand and lower the price on some old stock, and it will sell. Clears up space in their warehouse, and makes them some model.

From the customers point of view, they get some nice models that have been long out of production, and at a great price.

Everyone wins.

I think GW are set to enter into a very good period, and hopefully undo a lot of the mistakes of Kirby.

 stonehorse wrote:
And the new(old) Spire of Dawn box set has already sold.

Goes to show what a good CEO can do, rebrand and lower the price on some old stock, and it will sell. Clears up space in their warehouse, and makes them some model.

From the customers point of view, they get some nice models that have been long out of production, and at a great price.

Everyone wins.

I think GW are set to enter into a very good period, and hopefully undo a lot of the mistakes of Kirby.

Yup here I thought hey I could get a box for christmas! Yeah... not happening anymore.

I pre-ordered and split with someone else (they wanted Skaven, I don't even collect High Elves! But I guess I will have them for if I do). According to my GW, they weren't supposed to go on pre-order yesterday, they were supposed to go next week but someone goofed and they decided to keep it up (he said he got an email saying it was a mistake). So it sold on on pre-pre-order, a week before it actually was supposed to go on pre-order!

stonehorse wrote:And the new(old) Spire of Dawn box set has already sold.

Goes to show what a good CEO can do, rebrand and lower the price on some old stock, and it will sell. Clears up space in their warehouse, and makes them some model.

From the customers point of view, they get some nice models that have been long out of production, and at a great price.

Everyone wins.

I think GW are set to enter into a very good period, and hopefully undo a lot of the mistakes of Kirby.

New CEO or using same practices as under producing to so they sell out and create artificial demand? I clearly remember a lot of products selling out under the Kirby regime. So nothing really changing here.

Now if the new CEO is the new Messiah, let's see what he does with Dreadfleet and The Hobbit special edition starter set. Now that will be a true testament to his powers.

Artificial demand? The box sold-out in roughly 24 hours, there's nothing artificial into it.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Artificial demand? The box sold-out in roughly 24 hours, there's nothing artificial into it.

If they only made a 1000 or 2000 on purpose then yes.

@Davor: Shockingly, it costs money to manufacture this stuff. So they're probably doing smaller runs so they don't have stock lying around.