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 Galas wrote:

"The Mighty Forjados de la Tormenta face the infinite hordes of the Hermandad de Sangre de Khorne. Those Guerreros del Caos are a bloody sect with the only purpose of destroying the Puertas De los Reinos"

Its like watching Dora The Explorer.

My girls love Dora... after 5 minutes I want to smash the DVD and put on Totoro.

That being said the derpy AoS names are 10x better in Spanish.

Wow. First GW designs I really like in a long time.

As for metal lighter than air balloons: there's a metal spherical lighter than air craft in The First Men in the Moon by H. G. Wells written in 1901. Cavorite FTW!

Bleh. I'm more interested in that matched play thing. The intro sounded like something from Warhammer Online

So, pretty sweet release. I don't love everything (like the ball-jetpacks) but hot damn, not one, not two, but three airships?

I do hope it's not like the Gyrocopter, where you can either build the bomber, or waste 2/3rds of the kit and make the 'copter.

 Carnikang wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Its been itching me why the style seems so familiar, I realize now its the similarity to Elder Scrolls Dwemer I'm thinking of (in a good way).

I see the same thing.

Squats + Dwemer = Karakakarkkon™ Overlaeords™

Despite the amusing naming habits that have shown up, Kharardron actually takes words/roots from the old Dwarven language in WHFB.

Kharar - A possible adaptation of Khaz, meaning underground chamber/hall; possibly Skyhall/ship
Dron - Thunder

So, possibly Thunder Sky-dwelling? Meaning they are Overlords of the Thundering Skyships?

Reference found here. http://warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Khazalid

Someone graduated Warhammer 101.

Seriously though, that's cool to know.

i was actually surprised to find, when i finally got around to reading the starter set tie-in novel, Gates of Azyr, that the hyperbole online didn't jive at all with the book... 
there was actually very good reason for the fighting, The Realmgate Wars, as the Stormcast Eternals went out for the first time to open the gates to the other realms... 
there was also a very good dynamic between the internal psychology of the Stormcast characters, their relationship between fellow officers, their history with the Chaos champions, and their appearance to the mortals... 
i was not expecting things to be as intertwined as they are, or to make as much sense as it did... 
i am enjoying the fiction a lot, now that i have actually given it a chance  

cheers 
jah 

Agreed!

There's so much great stuff in the lore that it's saddening that people literally judge a book by the cover and claim the lore is shallow or quote, "Ex-freaking-actly! There is no lore! Just guys doing stuff." :eyeroll:

Oh well, I love it and that's really all that matters in a hobby.

Invul wrote:
As the creator of the Dwemer, I heartily approve.

Care to elaborate?

I don't understand, these look remarkably like Squats, a faction GW described as too ridiculous a concept. But it's fine for AoS? 

They might be heralding a emergence of the Demiurg which are squats deemed just grimdark enough to keep in 40k.

Closer in appearance as flying mercs than the original Squat biker gangs as well.




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 Gamgee wrote:
I think I'll make my Beastclaw Raiders vs these har sky pilots. I know this sounds crazy but doesn't GW usually do opposing force releases? Is there a chance that May will also be an AoS release? If so it might very well be the other rumored AoS force I keep hearing about. What if the rumored AoS DE (forget name) are no longer underground, but sky raiders! That would be cool.

It makes sense if 8th 40k then drops in June.

Opposing force-wise I'd imagine it would be Tzeentch vs new Shadowkin to free Slaanesh and Steamhead get to kick everyone's a$$ for a long time until GW focuses on greenskins for 40k and AoS again and all those Grot and Ironjaws sky pirates start popping up.

Pure speculation, though.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I do hope it's not like the Gyrocopter, where you can either build the bomber, or waste 2/3rds of the kit and make the 'copter.

My guess was it's a 3-way kit, but the hulls are so different either they're 3 kits or there's a ton of waste. Or maybe, just maybe, you can make more than one from a kit.

Nah.

That would be heresy.

*looks at AoS getting all these cool armies*
*looks back at 40k getting nothing but space marines*

I might have to convert to AoS barring the odd 40k release.

I'm torn.

Love the Airships, don't care for the infantry.

I can appreciate the sculpts, but my general Steampunk Aversion is alive and healthy it would seem.

I will be looking forward to people squatify them for 40K

Probably getting a box of the basic troop and a bunch of bolter/plasma pistols

M.

With that in mind, might be worth picking up or otherwise acquiring the Cult Imperialis list in Heresy Book IV.

Abhuman Helots are pretty much Squats....

Sooo many cool things.. so tempted to pick them up and try to mix them in with my existing dwarfs. Just don't like all the covered metal faces/beards, didn't like it about the Irondrakes and don't really here but guess it makes sense it they fly so high up.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I will be looking forward to people squatify them for 40K

Took the words right out of my mouth.

I like the line infantry well enough, even with the ridiculous assault cannon. Not so keen on the top hat dude and the balloon. They look... forced.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I'm torn.

Love the Airships, don't care for the infantry.

I can appreciate the sculpts, but my general Steampunk Aversion is alive and healthy it would seem.

Maybe a Free People conversion to give it a low fantasy feel by just keeping the gatling and multi-barrel guns or maybe make it into a Ironjaws scrap-fleet?

Just putting suggestions out there.


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Not so keen on the top hat dude and the balloon. They look... forced.

Aww, that's my favorite one. Such a awesome blend of power and nobility and being dapper through it all.

If I can only get one model it's that one.

Baron Klatz wrote:

Invul wrote:
As the creator of the Dwemer, I heartily approve.

Care to elaborate?

Sure! I was the world designer for Bethesda's Elder Scrolls adventure game, Redguard, where the Dwemer first debuted, er, physically. (Previously, the Dwarves had only been mentioned as having disappeared.) The first Steam Centurions, Centurion Spheres, Airships, Dwemeri brass visages, etc., all appeared in that game. After that, I became the art director/world designer for Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, where even more of the Dwemer culture was revealed, primarily in the expanded versions of their ruins. Good times.

Anyhoo, I love these new models, and collecting them will have a small feeling of meeting old friends.

Oh they can definitely be worked with. Reckon I could even try tinkering with FW's Solar Auxilia, see if I can't get a Captain Nemo vibe out of those?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I do hope it's not like the Gyrocopter, where you can either build the bomber, or waste 2/3rds of the kit and make the 'copter.

My guess was it's a 3-way kit, but the hulls are so different either they're 3 kits or there's a ton of waste. Or maybe, just maybe, you can make more than one from a kit.

Nah.

That would be heresy.

I actually think it is three different kits. They are of massively different sizes - the smallest only just fits two crew, the mid size one has two crew, a cabin and a large turret, the largest has three or four crew on the deck and one up in the balloon (this guy appears to have an astrolabe).

Curiously, Top Hat has put me right off....

But the mechanical Parrot? Loving that (bet you didn't spot that! Off you pop, I'll wait....ace, innit! Told ya!)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
I'm glad one of the characters is called a "chemyst" because now you can continue making that same joke for at least another 12 months!

You think it's a joke?

Yeah the renayming™ is clearly a very serious thing.

I thought it was Khemyst?

Am I the only one that is slightly disturbed by the fact that almost all of them, even the basic infantry, is wielding some kind of ranged weapon, most of the time some kind of heavy weapon that wouldn't look out of place in 40k ?

Sure it can make sense fluff wise for them to use firearms, but there's a reason why historical wargames tend to use very different system starting from the napoleonic era : this is the time when war switched from melee centric to ranged.

Before we had a fantasy ranked wargame with melee as the main aspect and ranged attacks and spells as support (gunlines did exists, but as exceptions) on one side, and a scifi pseudo skirmish game with ranged attacks first and melee as support.

Even ignoring the quality (or lack of) of AoS as a game, I feel that the direction that they are taking with more "unique " (read "copyrightable") factions, more big centerpiece models, and more and more ranged attacks and spells is making it more and more similar to some of the main aspects of 40k.

I was angry when they squatted Epic with among the reasons that it was supposed to be cannibalizing sales from 40k (remember when Apple cancelled the Iphone because it was cannibalizing Ipod sales ? Yeah me meitheir), but here I get the feeling that they are truly doing exactly that, and while it's sometimes perfectly viable to have a new product replace an older one, here we are in the situation where it would leave them with only one main product.

Invul wrote:

Invul wrote:
As the creator of the Dwemer, I heartily approve.

Care to elaborate?

Sure! I was the world designer for Bethesda's Elder Scrolls adventure game, Redguard, where the Dwemer first debuted, er, physically. (Previously, the Dwarves had only been mentioned as having disappeared.) The first Steam Centurions, Centurion Spheres, Airships, Dwemeri brass visages, etc., all appeared in that game. After that, I became the art director/world designer for Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, where even more of the Dwemer culture was revealed, primarily in the expanded versions of their ruins. Good times.

Anyhoo, I love these new models, and collecting them will have a small feeling of meeting old friends.

That's amazing! I only got into Elder scrolls from Skyrim but discovering their lairs and uncovering what happened to them (and being killed by a booby-trapped tree) was an unbelievable experience!

So thank you for making all that possible!

Their appearance in the new Morrowind trailer must have made you happy. It certainly made me grin.

(bet you didn't spot that! Off you pop, I'll wait....ace, innit! Told ya!)

Haha, you got me! I totally missed that.


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jtrowell wrote:
Am I the only one that is slightly disturbed by the fact that almost all of them, even the basic infantry, is wielding some kind of ranged weapon, most of the time some kind of heavy weapon that wouldn't look out of place in 40k ?

Sure it can make sense fluff wise for them to use firearms, but there's a reason why historical wargames tend to use very different system starting from the napoleonic era : this is the time when war switched from melee centric to ranged.

Before we had a fantasy ranked wargame with melee as the main aspect and ranged attacks and spells as support (gunlines did exists, but as exceptions) on one side, and a scifi pseudo skirmish game with ranged attacks first and melee as support.

Even ignoring the quality (or lack of) of AoS as a game, I feel that the direction that they are taking with more "unique " (read "copyrightable") factions, more big centerpiece models, and more and more ranged attacks and spells is making it more and more similar to some of the main aspects of 40k.

I was angry when they squatted Epic with among the reasons that it was supposed to be cannibalizing sales from 40k (remember when Apple cancelled the Iphone because it was cannibalizing Ipod sales ? Yeah me meitheir), but here I get the feeling that they are truly doing exactly that, and while it's sometimes perfectly viable to have a new product replace an older one, here we are in the situation where it would leave them with only one main product.

Eh, Napoleonic warfare had alot of melee too. Infantryman without bayonets were dead meat and even then a surprise lancer charge could wipe them out.

I wouldn't worry anyway, just because they're shoot doesn't mean everyone else has to be too. Other races just need to be faster, stronger or have better magic.

If they're like any elites then it means once they start losing numbers it's gonna be a uphill battle for them and relying on shooters means that they're gonna suffer with anything that can close the distance.

These Dwarves make me sad for what might have been... They're glorious, and I would have bought them in a heartbeat for WHFB, but I'm not interested in a fantasy skirmish game, and if I were, AoS wouldn't be it.

I can't help but wonder what would have happened if GW had chosen to put the same amount of effort they've been putting towards AoS into fixing WHFB instead...


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Curiously, Top Hat has put me right off....

Conversely, I think Tophat Guy is quite possibly the greatest miniature GW has ever made...

Possibly a Jes Goodwin sculpt then? He's all about the hats!

On FB a certain GW art director said something like

"I don't remember drawing any top hats"

(after someone posted the pic)

"Huh, I don't even remember what I draw, I did these 3 years ago while on holiday"

So we got squats back before a plastic thunderhawk gunship. That's a 19 year old bet I just lost.
Seriously one of them has a chainfist!

I will be hunting bitz sites for a mechanical parrot.

I really get the feeling somebody at the studio had been playing a lot of Skyrim when they were given this project to work on. But everything other than the basic infantry is so ridiculously over the top. Can't make up my mind if that is a good thing or not. Nothing appeals to be for my dwarf army for WHFB, but then these models were never meant to.

On the pulse side goblin skypirates must surely be a thing we'll get as a counter force to these.

These are like what Mantics Forge Fathers dreamed they would look like while setting in the Chinese floppy plastic mould factory.

I like these allot, the infantry as a minor weapon swap from being 40k ready, intentional?

Also, why do you guys keep saying 10,000 leagues under the sea? It's 20,000 leagues under the sea. Sorry. Making my brain twitch out!!

Dwarves look interesting. Cool steam punk look, but not for me.

 Gamgee wrote:
I think I'll make my Beastclaw Raiders vs these har sky pilots. I know this sounds crazy but doesn't GW usually do opposing force releases? Is there a chance that May will also be an AoS release? If so it might very well be the other rumored AoS force I keep hearing about. What if the rumored AoS DE (forget name) are no longer underground, but sky raiders! That would be cool.

In the fluff section of the last Warhammer Quest box there are fleets of elf raiders that use flying ships; mainly because on Aqshy all the rivers are lava, so boats would burn. One of the heroes, Fleetmaster Vizrin Kyre, is in command of one of these fleets... so hopefully we get some flying elements for them as well, so that we can forgo the usual battlefields and have airship battles