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What has happened to my beloved WHFB?!

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
What has happened to my beloved WHFB?!

its grown up and gotten better.

It's gotten melon-fething awesome!

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
What has happened to my beloved WHFB?!

It's evolved.

Is this compatible with Warmahordes? Not trolling and I know the rules are different, but now it seems easier to mix the two ranges with "counts as" and not really look out of place now.

Ironically this might get me started buying some Warmahorde or more Hordes minis again and start using them for "count as" for Age of Sigmar when I have time to start playing again.

Stunning images - really beautifu.

Its really good fantasy steampunk - which WFB Dwarves and Skaven were always close to.

I for one am glad that the Dwarves have been seen to improve on their tech - slowly, carefully and with precision but improving.

Sorry, I just laid eyes on all of that artwork posted on the last page and I've completely lost my gak.

Preorders go up tomorrow right? Right?

 usernamesareannoying wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
What has happened to my beloved WHFB?!

its grown up and gotten better.

Hahaha oh gosh that's just Hilarious. Quite the opposite my friend.

EmberlordofFire8 wrote:What has happened to my beloved WHFB?!

I'm a huge fan of the old world and I've come to realized that the best thing about it being done away with a a product is that it is a closed thing that won't change from here on out. I just finshed getting the last of the 4th and 5th edition army books and all the 1st and 2nd edition Fantasy Role Play books. So I'm set.

As for Age of Sigmar, I actually really like the mortal realms. I've just been looking into them and everything I've encountered I liked so far. I love the introduction of some art deco vibes and some bladerunner type urban themes. And probably my favorite thing: Instances of normal people doing normal things like commerce or walking in the rain. I've just started reading City of Secrets (a AoS Novel) and have been enjoying it.

Ohman wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Holy fething gak, this isn't fantasy, it's cyberpunk!

I have been a bit a worried that this "fantasy" game looks more and more like 40k for every release but I guess there is no need to worry now. This has passed beyond 40k and landed in 1980's Cyberpunk. Really cool but there is nothing fantasy about this picture:

So, who exactly are you to decide what's fantasy and what's not? I'm tired of this so let's remember something: fantasy doesn't equal low tech. Urban fantasy is pretty high-tech by and large and that's fantasy.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Sorry, I just laid eyes on all of that artwork posted on the last page and I've completely lost my gak.

Preorders go up tomorrow right? Right?

They'll be up on the NZ website in about five hours.

Fantasy, by definition, its opposed to Science. Its a world with things that can't be explained, they just are because its a fantasy tale.

Medieval Fantasy and Space Fantasy are both fantasy.

And in the WHFB vs AoS... WHFB as much as I love it, has been closed. Something better to me, than just keep running and changing with no end like Warcraft. This its another totally different universe, that will be better to some people and worse to others. Its just about what do you like more.

So the dwemmer from Skyrim are sci-fi as opposed to fantasy?
I'd class them as fantasy to be fair.

WHFB always had tech thrown in.
Be it from dwarves or skaven, they had tech.

Hell, skaven even have power armour and power fists.
Along with the ability to generate lightning.
Even had steam powered tanks thrown in.

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
What has happened to my beloved WHFB?!

It ended 2 years ago. I loved old warhammer but I am happy to see GW really go for something new. AOS really needs to develop its own identity as distinct as 40k. This is a really positive step in that direction. I hope they keep pushing the envelope with upcoming releases.

Don't start getting hung up on genre definitions. That way lies madness and endless pages of arguing on the internet.

 frozenwastes wrote:
Don't start getting hung up on genre definitions. That way lies madness and endless pages of arguing on the internet.

Wise words.

 Galas wrote:
Fantasy, by definition, its opposed to Science. Its a world with things that can't be explained, they just are because its a fantasy tale.

Medieval Fantasy and Space Fantasy are both fantasy.

And in the WHFB vs AoS... WHFB as much as I love it, has been closed. Something better to me, than just keep running and changing with no end like Warcraft. This its another totally different universe, that will be better to some people and worse to others. Its just about what do you like more.

What about ShadowRun? There's tech and Magic, no one can explain magic....so it seems to fit both your definitions. What happens when the two genres blend? What do you call that?

stonehorse wrote:

Spoiler:

Anyone else getting a strong Blade Runner vibe from this?

The rain, the built up city, the sign.

There is a vague similarity, would definitely not say "strong vibe". More to do with being a city in the sky and that it depicts a scene more common in that genre, I think.

Compare to this:

frozenwastes wrote:Don't start getting hung up on genre definitions. That way lies madness and endless pages of arguing on the internet.

This.

Well GW, that's now 2 Dwarf armies you have released and this avid dwarf fan thinks they are both awful to look at, ridiculous models and very childish looking, and before you white knights try to jump down my neck, I like AOS, I have a silverneth army, but this release just looks so bloody awful, so its not "evolution" or "its got better" this part of the faction has gotten stupid and ridiculous, which for a fantasy army is quite an achievement of its own.

I'm so tempted to buy them now and completely screw up my work order. I want their cool ships.

 Formosa wrote:
Well GW, that's now 2 Dwarf armies you have released and this avid dwarf fan thinks they are both awful to look at, ridiculous models and very childish looking, and before you white knights try to jump down my neck, I like AOS, I have a silverneth army, but this release just looks so bloody awful, so its not "evolution" or "its got better" this part of the faction has gotten stupid and ridiculous, which for a fantasy army is quite an achievement of its own.

So, lets see... These are dwarves, yes. But they arent the old dwarves. They're a separate, sky-dwelling faction. As opposed to mountain-dwelling.
Sort of how "Silverneth" are a seperate faction that used to be a part of the WoodElves/wanderers faction. So, it has evolved. It has definitely changed form. Just because its not a form you like doesnt mean others wont.

I personally would like a small force of them.

Edit: Just relax, to each thier own. You donthave to buy them.

I agree I think in all of the fantasy model ranges I've seen (GW and non-GW) the Kharadron are the most imaginative range I've seen in ages. I hope they get more releases later on down the line. This sort of creativity needs to be applied to 40k now to make a cool new xenos faction, but they'll probably just make 14 different primarch variants per chapter for the next thirty years. And Space marine chapter variations for every 1000 years of time from the heresy to 40k timeline.

Edit
Actually the AoS designers have been hitting it out of the park for awhile. Even though the Beasclaw Raiders are existing models the paint job they did was phenomenal and made me want some. I also like the Ironjaws models and want a Maw Krusha.

 Formosa wrote:
Well GW, that's now 2 Dwarf armies you have released and this avid dwarf fan thinks they are both awful to look at, ridiculous models and very childish looking, and before you white knights try to jump down my neck, I like AOS, I have a silverneth army, but this release just looks so bloody awful, so its not "evolution" or "its got better" this part of the faction has gotten stupid and ridiculous, which for a fantasy army is quite an achievement of its own.

Yeah, I'm not going to jump down your throat just point out that's your opinion that you veiledly try to pass as fact.

 Carnikang wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Well GW, that's now 2 Dwarf armies you have released and this avid dwarf fan thinks they are both awful to look at, ridiculous models and very childish looking, and before you white knights try to jump down my neck, I like AOS, I have a silverneth army, but this release just looks so bloody awful, so its not "evolution" or "its got better" this part of the faction has gotten stupid and ridiculous, which for a fantasy army is quite an achievement of its own.

So, lets see... These are dwarves, yes. But they arent the old dwarves. They're a separate, sky-dwelling faction. As opposed to mountain-dwelling.
Sort of how "Silverneth" are a seperate faction that used to be a part of the WoodElves/wanderers faction. So, it has evolved. It has definitely changed form. Just because its not a form you like doesnt mean others wont.

I personally would like a small force of them.

Edit: Just relax, to each thier own. You donthave to buy them.

That's fluff, I don't care about that at the moment, I am looking at the models, they look ridiculous, the giant metal balloon one with the monacle and golden hat.... jesus....

objectively the sculpts are well done, but the whole release just looks so bad.

and I am posting this for the exact reason you have stated, just because some like it, doesn't mean that everyone does, I do not.

 Formosa wrote:


objectively the sculpts are well done, but the whole release just looks so bad.

This is a confusing statement for me. You're saying objectively they're good but they look bad? Sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining.

How about this: They look good, but they're not my cup of tea, so I'm not going to buy them. That's my personal stance (though I may change soon).

 Formosa wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Well GW, that's now 2 Dwarf armies you have released and this avid dwarf fan thinks they are both awful to look at, ridiculous models and very childish looking, and before you white knights try to jump down my neck, I like AOS, I have a silverneth army, but this release just looks so bloody awful, so its not "evolution" or "its got better" this part of the faction has gotten stupid and ridiculous, which for a fantasy army is quite an achievement of its own.

So, lets see... These are dwarves, yes. But they arent the old dwarves. They're a separate, sky-dwelling faction. As opposed to mountain-dwelling.
Sort of how "Silverneth" are a seperate faction that used to be a part of the WoodElves/wanderers faction. So, it has evolved. It has definitely changed form. Just because its not a form you like doesnt mean others wont.

I personally would like a small force of them.

Edit: Just relax, to each thier own. You donthave to buy them.

That's fluff, I don't care about that at the moment, I am looking at the models, they look ridiculous, the giant metal balloon one with the monacle and golden hat.... jesus....

objectively the sculpts are well done, but the whole release just looks so bad.

and I am posting this for the exact reason you have stated, just because some like it, doesn't mean that everyone does, I do not.

Thats cool man. I disagree though, especially on the Top-Hatted Lord. He's hilarous and embodies the range, which takes its design and ideas from the fluff and represents it so well.
I see them appearing slighty out of sync with thebold dwarf range, but they would still fit the general aesthetic well.

With the new AoS releases, the fluff is starting to influence th art and models more. I really like that direction.

I think he meant the sculpts are good, but the aesthetics he doesn't like.

Requizen wrote:

 Formosa wrote:


objectively the sculpts are well done, but the whole release just looks so bad.

This is a confusing statement for me. You're saying objectively they're good but they look bad? Sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining.

How about this: They look good, but they're not my cup of tea, so I'm not going to buy them. That's my personal stance (though I may change soon).

Technically they are well done, plenty of detail and character, but not detail and character that I like, not complicated at all.


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 Carnikang wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Well GW, that's now 2 Dwarf armies you have released and this avid dwarf fan thinks they are both awful to look at, ridiculous models and very childish looking, and before you white knights try to jump down my neck, I like AOS, I have a silverneth army, but this release just looks so bloody awful, so its not "evolution" or "its got better" this part of the faction has gotten stupid and ridiculous, which for a fantasy army is quite an achievement of its own.

So, lets see... These are dwarves, yes. But they arent the old dwarves. They're a separate, sky-dwelling faction. As opposed to mountain-dwelling.
Sort of how "Silverneth" are a seperate faction that used to be a part of the WoodElves/wanderers faction. So, it has evolved. It has definitely changed form. Just because its not a form you like doesnt mean others wont.

I personally would like a small force of them.

Edit: Just relax, to each thier own. You donthave to buy them.

That's fluff, I don't care about that at the moment, I am looking at the models, they look ridiculous, the giant metal balloon one with the monacle and golden hat.... jesus....

objectively the sculpts are well done, but the whole release just looks so bad.

and I am posting this for the exact reason you have stated, just because some like it, doesn't mean that everyone does, I do not.

Thats cool man. I disagree though, especially on the Top-Hatted Lord. He's hilarous and embodies the range, which takes its design and ideas from the fluff and represents it so well.
I see them appearing slighty out of sync with thebold dwarf range, but they would still fit the general aesthetic well.

With the new AoS releases, the fluff is starting to influence th art and models more. I really like that direction.

I agree with you on that, fluff influencing art and models is much better than the other way around.

The artwork is mind-blowing!

My favorite pieces just because of the insane scope of size.

http://i.imgur.com/T8Zq33A.jpg

http://m.imgur.com/tZQlHnE?r

AoS truly puts the "Epic" in Epic Fantasy.

I'm looking forward to stories of how the dispossessed Duardin view their newfound cousins.

I know there's already a opinion by them that flying dwarfs are lunatics (can't really blame them for that view) but will the Overlord's non-traditional views be in effect? Will the Duardin of the holds view them as "reclaimed"?

Looking forward to finding out.

What you're seeing (and will continue to see) is simply a result of the change of direction GW decided to go with. Rewind 10-15 years and the Warhammer Fantasy world was a good bit more sword and sorcery (even moreso 20-30 years ago). It's now its completely own thing, but something completely detached from the more classical fantasy settings (i.e. Tolkein, Dungeons and Dragons, etc.). The same setting in which you find games like Hero Quest (had some GW backing), Battlemasters (also GW) etc. White Dwarf itself used to carry D&D adventures etc. It was a much more common setting.

Keep in mind that when Warhammer Fantasy came about it was the middle of the D&D craze and yes the old LOTR/Hobbit stuff was popular, etc. Very much a classical fantasy setting. It included some oddball stuff, but the general aesthetic was more classical than not. Slowly but surely more silliness was added and GW inevitable scale-creep exploded with plastic kits in the mid 2000's.

AoS is now completely unrecognizable to classic Warhammer Fantasy players (and there were a lot of those). The game didn't "get better" or "get an upgrade" it just changed whole sale. On the modern AoS tabletop what room is there for a rank n' file Empire spearman?

I don't play Warhammer Fantasy but I loved the old setting, and not one of my fellow 14 gamers now plays AoS. It's not a slight against the rules - I hear they're quite good, but the setting does not interest any of us. That's not a bad thing, just unfortunate that people who loved the setting/aesthetic will no longer be buying new products. If you like the new AoS stuff - good, go nuts. For a lot of people it's like imagining Peter Jackson throwing a steam-powered dreadnought into the middle of a Lord of the Rings film. It doesn't endear them to the setting.

It's not hard to see why someone who likes the models on top, may not love the models on the bottom.



Personally I think they look attractive, but I'd never use them in a fantasy setting. I'd even be tempted to make a small squat force for 40K out of them.