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 Kanluwen wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
The random table only applies if you're using the skull crates as objectives. It replaces the mysterious objectives chart. Soo... not completely stupid and over the top?

Read it again.

Spoiler:

"The first time a unit moves or deploys in base contact with a Munitorum Armoured Container Cache, roll a D6 to discover the content."

That's in addition to the ability to use them as Mysterious Objectives.

Nevermind, that's only when it replaces Mysterious Objectives.

Meh just house rule it.

just say you can choose to open it if you really want to. would be a funny way of making a search and retrieve kinda mission where you have to open them till you find an X.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
The random table only applies if you're using the skull crates as objectives. It replaces the mysterious objectives chart. Soo... not completely stupid and over the top?

Read it again.

Spoiler:

"The first time a unit moves or deploys in base contact with a Munitorum Armoured Container Cache, roll a D6 to discover the contents."

That's in addition to the ability to use them as Mysterious Objectives.

The Designer's Note at the top says you can use the Mysterious Containers Table if you use the containers as objectives.

There's two sentences, putting forward two conditions in that blurb for the usage of the "Mysterious Containers Table".
The first sentence puts down the following condition:

The first time a unit moves or deploys in base contact with a Munitorum Armoured Container Cache, roll a D6 to discover the contents.

This sentence says nothing about the usage of the table being restricted to the crates being used as Objective Markers. If we have MACCs on the field, and we get into base contact with them? We roll a D6 to discover the contents--whether or not they're being used as objective markers. We can, of course, agree not to do anything with them beyond them being generic terrain.

The second sentence puts forward the restrictions based on using the MACCs as Objective Markers.

If you are using the Munitorum Armoured Container Caches to represent Objective Markers(see above), this table replaces the Mysterious Objectives Table found in Warhammer 40,000: The Rules:<Insert Table>

Do you see what I'm getting at here?


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 TheCustomLime wrote:
Ah, upon another reading it seems you are right Kan. It seems that not even shipping containers can escape Gee Dubs love of giving everything and anything a random chart.

And yet this might be the first time it's wildly appropriate.

WHAT'S IN THE BOX?!

It's not really THAT appropriate, I mean if you're paying the points to include them in your army it can be generally assumed that they're your crates and you've at least taken a peek inside to see what they have in them at some point before the battle began, you don't normally need to roll to see what upgrades that Bastion you bought has, or the weapons on the Aegis defence line you paid for.

Still, even though it can lead to ridiculous outcomes it might be fun to spend 120 points on crates (3 containers, 9 barrels and TWELVE supply crates) and just set up an epic gunline of death with three random rolls for equipment (and 6 stormbolters)

Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous that your army would be carrying along shopping containers without checking what's in them (although there are at least various scenarios where that might be a thing) and even more ridiculous that one of the random results gives bonuses specifically to Imperial armies regardless of who owns the container.

Desubot wrote:

 oni wrote:
Nice! I'll be picking up at least two boxes of these to use as terrain.

I love that they did mysterious contents rules too.

Man using those as objective markers would be super cool too.

would be very cool for some narrative play.

Ooo... That is a good idea.

Redemption wrote:

The new Gemstone paints, apparently just one thick layer over a silver basecoat. Do want.

Meh, it's as I anticipated. They're nothing more than the old Ink's. The technique is quick, easy and looks decent enough, but it's not as good as painting it the old fashioned way.

 insaniak wrote:
Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous that your army would be carrying along shopping containers without checking what's in them (although there are at least various scenarios where that might be a thing) and even more ridiculous that one of the random results gives bonuses specifically to Imperial armies regardless of who owns the container.

Maybe some Inquisitor had them (secretly) put onboard the ship ("ignore those scratching sounds in those boxes!"). The ship went down. Containers scattered in a nice defensive formation (Very sturdy to survive an orbital fall!). Viola!

 insaniak wrote:
Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous that your army would be carrying along shopping containers without checking what's in them (although there are at least various scenarios where that might be a thing) and even more ridiculous that one of the random results gives bonuses specifically to Imperial armies regardless of who owns the container.

But don't you like rolling on random charts? According to GW, Random charts are like the best thing in game design. They even have random charts to see what random chart you roll on. Such fun!

I personally am going to just going to say the crates are a 4+ cover and the boxes/barrels are 5++ and that's it. 40k is complex enough without you needing an entire document telling you the rules for boxes and barrels.

 insaniak wrote:
Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous that your army would be carrying along shopping containers without checking what's in them (although there are at least various scenarios where that might be a thing) and even more ridiculous that one of the random results gives bonuses specifically to Imperial armies regardless of who owns the container.

If it were ANY OTHER ARMY, I would agree, but this is the Imperium.

 oni wrote:

Redemption wrote:

The new Gemstone paints, apparently just one thick layer over a silver basecoat. Do want.

Meh, it's as I anticipated. They're nothing more than the old Ink's. The technique is quick, easy and looks decent enough, but it's not as good as painting it the old fashioned way.

Not like painting gems the old fashioned way was difficult. Base dark. Mix 2-3 shades and layer up. Wash with whatever colour you did them in to blend the layers together. Add white dot.

I would figure it strange if the IoM container was containing a bunch of Chaos uplifiting primers.

pretty suspect to me

WAIT!

Stop everything!

Can an Apothacary give a crate Feel No Pain?

Can a psyker give them It Will Not Die?

Can they take the Mark of Nurgle for T8?

I demand a FAQ now!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
WAIT!

Stop everything!

Can an Apothacary give a crate Feel No Pain?

Can a psyker give them It Will Not Die?

Can they take the Mark of Nurgle for T8?

I demand a FAQ now!

1) No.

2) Maybe? Depends if buildings are units or not.

3) No.

Is this the actual effect, or is the silver under the new paint actually layered? I/e Leadbelcher->Ironbreaker->Runefang?

 CragHack wrote:
Is this the actual effect, or is the silver under the new paint actually layered? I/e Leadbelcher->Ironbreaker->Runefang?

To my eyes, almost certainly. Which makes me wonder why you wouldn't just use reds in the first place, and then put a gloss varnish over the top... but, hey, GW.

Has anyone seen the Centos rules? Not sure if this is the right thread, but it's the only lay real GW one on the page! :p

 insaniak wrote:
Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous that your army would be carrying along shopping containers without checking what's in them (although there are at least various scenarios where that might be a thing) and even more ridiculous that one of the random results gives bonuses specifically to Imperial armies regardless of who owns the container.

Who ever thought it was a good idea to give Commissar Brockmann a credit-slate and a munitorum outlet account was WRONG

 insaniak wrote:
Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous that your army would be carrying along shopping containers without checking what's in them (although there are at least various scenarios where that might be a thing) and even more ridiculous that one of the random results gives bonuses specifically to Imperial armies regardless of who owns the container.

Perfectly true, but it does stop people from abusing it and just picking the Orbital doom laser every time. Also agree with the pro-imperium buff comment but then, tau think their tech is better (in some cases it is) as do Eldar and Dark Eldar. Why would they care about some filthy gue'vesa or monkeigh tech?

 ShaneTB wrote:
It's a fortification...look at how many rules a ruddy container has.

Still will be nice for terrain (only) if the price is right.

Spoiler:

I'll be buying a pile of them but I won't be using the rules...

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous that your army would be carrying along shopping containers without checking what's in them (although there are at least various scenarios where that might be a thing) and even more ridiculous that one of the random results gives bonuses specifically to Imperial armies regardless of who owns the container.

Perfectly true, but it does stop people from abusing it and just picking the Orbital doom laser every time. Also agree with the pro-imperium buff comment but then, tau think their tech is better (in some cases it is) as do Eldar and Dark Eldar. Why would they care about some filthy gue'vesa or monkeigh tech?

Orbital doom laser wouldn't be problem if it would be costed appropriately. Unsurprisingly better bonuses would cost more.

And there shouldn't be choice you can't use if you don't play IOM unless there's then choices IOM can't use. So instead of IOM specific gear have effect and then mention IOM tech as an EXAMPLE while tau would have their own equilavent.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Also agree with the pro-imperium buff comment but then, tau think their tech is better (in some cases it is) as do Eldar and Dark Eldar. Why would they care about some filthy gue'vesa or monkeigh tech?

It could just as easily have been a generic artifact or piece of tech, rather than something specific to the Imperium.

So are shipping containers Battle Brothers or Allies of Convenient Next Day Delivery?

And can I use Amazon Prime to Deep Strike units into the containers?

It's to bad the containers only do anything for you if you role 4-6 if your playing xeno, chaos or 30k. The ammo boxes and fuel drums being a free thing you can throw down for free more or less makes up for it. Atleast I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by not putting the 2 storm bolters on them TBH.

Oh man. This thing is hilarious. The Ammo Dump is nice, pairs well with Lootas, Tankbustas, Mek Gunz, and Flash Gitz. Heck, even a unit of Gretchin hiding behind the container and firing the Storm Bolters could be entertaining. If you position the Ammo Dump right, you can re-roll 1's for the Storm Bolters too. That Orbital Comms Array looks dangerous. Scatter 4D6"? You could nuke your own units pretty easily. What am I saying -- I play Orks, that's par for the course!

The problem with the storm bolters is that the model firing them is going to have to be standing in front of the container (ie: in the open) in order to have LOS to anything to fire them at...

not really, just base it in such a way that there's an elevated surface next to the container (I'd use the supply crates) that the grot can stand on and peek over the container while still getting a cover save.

Stand on one of the barrels!

 Nevelon wrote:
Stand on one of the barrels!

You could actually, with zero consequences. The chance of explosion only applies if you take a cover save behind the barrels.

A more practical scenario would be sprinkling Gretchin models around and on top of the container, preferably with some between the Ammo Dump and the container. Best case, my Grotz are ignored and they plink away with the Storm Bolters each turn with glee. Worst case, my opponent shoots a 35pt unit off the board, ignoring at least 1 of my other units for a turn. That works for me.

New releases are up at New Zealand site. The bases are lovely. I am getting all of them to use with Mechanicus and Vostroyans!

 Groundh0g wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Is this the actual effect, or is the silver under the new paint actually layered? I/e Leadbelcher->Ironbreaker->Runefang?

To my eyes, almost certainly. Which makes me wonder why you wouldn't just use reds in the first place, and then put a gloss varnish over the top... but, hey, GW.

There's a distinct difference in finishes between glossy red and transparent red over a metallic base, have a look at many of the Khorne Daemon Engines from FW for examples of the latter. I'm pretty sure for display purposes you're still better off doing it the old fashioned way, but at an army painting level, coat of metallic, highlight, coat of gemstone will probably get a better effect vs time spent.


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The pre orders are calling them a gel too, so they could be quite different