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2016/06/15 14:05:42
Subject: Re:Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Tempestus formation rules - via Shocker3800 on B&C
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2016/06/15 14:08:00
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Journeyman Inquisitor with Visions of the Warp
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OMG....
It's HELLDIVERS in 40k!!
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2016/06/15 14:20:32
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2016/06/15 14:11:16
Subject: Re:Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Different hoster for the work-blocked - Jolemai on B&C
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2016/06/15 14:11:44
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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That's actually pretty nifty. Of course, killing a Commissar isn't exactly difficult...
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2016/06/15 14:30:22
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Lethal Lhamean
Birmingham
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 SarisKhan wrote:Souleater wrote:
*Yes, I am still bitter that I can't take Archons on Reavers. :(
Oh, I so wanted to convert a Reaver Archon while the Codex update was still pending. Alas, of course we can't get the cool stuff. This means that my Archon is forever dedicated to WWP shenanigans.
Pilau Rice wrote:Would 2 boxes of the DE one be a good enough force to have a game with and how many points would it be roughly?
DE are in a bit of a sorry state at the moment though aren't they?
I'm digging the DE box though and have been thinking about starting a new force. I was waiting for the CSM one but I don't need any of that stuff. If it had've been a Fiend I might have considered it. I think GW missed a trick there.
Kabalite Warriors in a Raider with DL, NS and Splinter Racks are good. With TL Poisoned 4+ volleys, an Anti-Armour weapon and 3+ Jink they're fairly survivable and cause enemy units with Toughness value to melt. This includes MCs.
Reavers are excellent. Give 'em Cluster Caltrops, fly across the board and destroy objective-camping units with Rending HoW. And the Archon, well, is your HQ and WWP delivery system.
Two boxes would yield about 650 pts. of good DE units. No real "tax" in there.
Closer to 800pts actually, but yes two boxes of this start collecting set would make a very good core of a DE army. I wonder what the formation rules are like for them.
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2016/06/15 14:39:56
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Fixture of Dakka
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Damn those sound like Tyranid rules. So now MT and Necrons have the same rules in the Get Started Boxsets? I mean units coming back when they are killed off. I believe Necrons come back within 3" of the Necron lord or what ever he is called.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/06/15 14:40:32
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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2016/06/15 14:42:45
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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 Lord Corellia wrote:That's actually pretty nifty. Of course, killing a Commissar isn't exactly difficult...
That is the main downside. Unlike the Overlord in the Necron SC formation, he's not exactly a brick, nor is there really a brick unit to put him in for the codex itself (though you can put him in an allied army, if you desire). The other downside is that it only affects the Scion unit, not the Command unit, though I would wager that 4 respawning Meltaguns would be pretty rough.
Still, much like the MT codex itself, not great but not bad.
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2016/06/15 14:44:32
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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No maximum squad size is listed, so you could always bump it up to ten models (which does sadly require an additional purchase), put the commissar in the Taurox and have fun with that.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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2016/06/15 14:48:37
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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 BrookM wrote:No maximum squad size is listed, so you could always bump it up to ten models (which does sadly require an additional purchase), put the commissar in the Taurox and have fun with that.
Nah, you want it to be minimum models with 2 special weapons, probably Meltas. They want to deep strike, fire their special weapons, die heroically as quickly as possible, and then DS somewhere else next turn. The bigger the unit, the more likely you end up with one or two dudes still alive but not respawning.
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2016/06/15 15:00:26
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Lurking Gaunt
Portland, OR
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pigasuspig wrote:Still curious what's in store for Start Collecting Tzeentch Daemons. Hope it has Horrors, but suspect it is exactly what the extra rules in Silver Tower refer to: Exalted Flamer (on chariot), Screamers, and Flamers. ("Contains 8 Citadel Miniatures!")
Wait, from where did the SC Tzeentch Daemons news come? 
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2016/06/15 15:08:16
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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My god, the rules are perfect!
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Blood Angels, Custodes, Tzeentch, Alpha Legion, Astra Militarum, Deathwatch, Thousand Sons, Imperial Knights, Tau, Genestealer Cult.
I have a problem.
Being contrary for the sake of being contrary doesn't make you unique, it makes you annoying.
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2016/06/15 15:26:15
Subject: Re:Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Anyone have the CSM formation?
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 5250 pts
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Deathwatch: 1500 pts
Imperial Knights: 375 pts
30K  2500 pts |
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2016/06/15 15:28:55
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Those rules are pretty awesome for the MT, both as a building block to an army or an allied force.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2016/06/15 15:31:53
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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The funniest part is those really should have been the rules for the damn AM formation, while the MT got the cover from their vehicle rules from the AM one.
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2016/06/15 15:34:13
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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 Kanluwen wrote:The funniest part is those really should have been the rules for the damn AM formation, while the MT got the cover from their vehicle rules from the AM one.
I agree.
Send more men into the meatgrinder? Just another day in the guard.
Tactically advance, using available resources in an intelligent manner to preserve elite specialists? Scions.
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2016/06/15 15:40:29
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Question?
The rules say all upgrades are respawned
Is a dedicated transport a unit upgrade?
If so 5 scions with 2 meltas and a taurox prime being extremely aggressive and deepstriking every time they die is pretty awesome.
With the other 5 command squad in the formation prime issuing orders.
Take the commissar and hide him in the back lines in a blob of 30+ guardsmen in a gunline is pretty great way to run this formation.
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2016/06/15 15:54:26
Subject: Re:Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Evasive Pleasureseeker
Lost in a blizzard, somewhere near Toronto
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I'm calling it now; CSM's will get 'Fear' for all units, and while the Lord is alive, he'll grant Preferred Enemy 'Space Marines' to the Chaos Marine unit...
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2016/06/15 16:56:56
Subject: Re:Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine
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Experiment 626 wrote:
I'm calling it now; CSM's will get 'Fear' for all units, and while the Lord is alive, he'll grant Preferred Enemy 'Space Marines' to the Chaos Marine unit...
Don't forget about Soul Blaze.
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Drukhari - 4.7k
Space Marines - 3.1k
Chaos Space Marines - 2.9k
Harlequins - 0.9k
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2016/06/15 17:01:57
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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Lord Corellia wrote:That's actually pretty nifty. Of course, killing a Commissar isn't exactly difficult...
I love rules oddities like this - now every Commissar will be Ciaphas Cain, cowering behind the sturdiest terrain feature available while his grunts do the fighting and only getting into heroic situations by total accident 
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I need to acquire plastic Skavenslaves, can you help?
I have a blog now, evidently. Featuring the Alternative Mordheim Model Megalist.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal |
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2016/06/15 17:03:02
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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 Nevelon wrote: Kanluwen wrote:The funniest part is those really should have been the rules for the damn AM formation, while the MT got the cover from their vehicle rules from the AM one.
I agree.
Send more men into the meatgrinder? Just another day in the guard.
Tactically advance, using available resources in an intelligent manner to preserve elite specialists? Scions.
Not only that, but it raises further the question as to why they bothered adding in the Commissar to begin with. Why not just add a third Scion box?
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2016/06/15 17:09:21
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Kanluwen wrote: Nevelon wrote: Kanluwen wrote:The funniest part is those really should have been the rules for the damn AM formation, while the MT got the cover from their vehicle rules from the AM one.
I agree.
Send more men into the meatgrinder? Just another day in the guard.
Tactically advance, using available resources in an intelligent manner to preserve elite specialists? Scions.
Not only that, but it raises further the question as to why they bothered adding in the Commissar to begin with. Why not just add a third Scion box?
To sell more Commisars that wouldn't otherwise be bought.
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Blood Angels, Custodes, Tzeentch, Alpha Legion, Astra Militarum, Deathwatch, Thousand Sons, Imperial Knights, Tau, Genestealer Cult.
I have a problem.
Being contrary for the sake of being contrary doesn't make you unique, it makes you annoying.
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2016/06/15 17:18:51
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Journeyman Inquisitor with Visions of the Warp
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It's definitely a tax unit but at 25pts it's not exactly crippling.
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2016/06/15 17:28:53
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Evasive Pleasureseeker
Lost in a blizzard, somewhere near Toronto
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Yoyoyo wrote:It's definitely a tax unit but at 25pts it's not exactly crippling.
25pts is in no way an actual 'tax'.
The actual Cadian Detachment? Now that's a tax! 
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2016/06/15 17:30:18
Subject: Re:Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Stalwart Tribune
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Experiment 626 wrote:
I'm calling it now; CSM's will get 'Fear' for all units, and while the Lord is alive, he'll grant Preferred Enemy 'Space Marines' to the Chaos Marine unit...
I `ve read somewhere, its just Hatred. 
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/06/15 17:32:07
30k:  Taghmata Omnissiah(5,5k)
Ordo Reductor(4,5k)
Legio Cybernetica(WIP)
40k(Inactive): Adeptus Mechanicus(2,5k)
WFB(Inactive): Nippon, Skaven
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2016/06/15 17:31:52
Subject: Re:Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Hellacious Havoc
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 Ankhalagon wrote:Experiment 626 wrote:
I'm calling it now; CSM's will get 'Fear' for all units, and while the Lord is alive, he'll grant Preferred Enemy 'Space Marines' to the Chaos Marine unit...
I heard somewhere, its just Hatred.
Hatred to all units from the formation within 12" of the Lord.
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2016/06/15 17:35:34
Subject: Re:Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Evasive Pleasureseeker
Lost in a blizzard, somewhere near Toronto
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 Lukash_ wrote: Ankhalagon wrote:Experiment 626 wrote:
I'm calling it now; CSM's will get 'Fear' for all units, and while the Lord is alive, he'll grant Preferred Enemy 'Space Marines' to the Chaos Marine unit...
I heard somewhere, its just Hatred.
Hatred to all units from the formation within 12" of the Lord.
Ouch...
How awful is it that I'm almost pleased we got something more than Fear + Soul Blaze?!
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2016/06/15 17:39:08
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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well, that formation's not getting much use - who in their right mind is going to Start Collecting CSM now?
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2016/06/15 17:43:07
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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Cephalobeard wrote: Kanluwen wrote: Nevelon wrote: Kanluwen wrote:The funniest part is those really should have been the rules for the damn AM formation, while the MT got the cover from their vehicle rules from the AM one.
I agree.
Send more men into the meatgrinder? Just another day in the guard.
Tactically advance, using available resources in an intelligent manner to preserve elite specialists? Scions.
Not only that, but it raises further the question as to why they bothered adding in the Commissar to begin with. Why not just add a third Scion box?
To sell more Commisars that wouldn't otherwise be bought.
Exactly this. I bought one, built him and was immediately disappointed that I hadn't just gotten a metal or "Fine"cast one for 2/3 the price.
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2016/06/15 17:54:23
Subject: Re:Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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RogueSangre
The Cockatrice Malediction
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Experiment 626 wrote:
I'm calling it now; CSM's will get 'Fear' for all units, and while the Lord is alive, he'll grant Preferred Enemy 'Space Marines' to the Chaos Marine unit...
Preferred Enemy? On Chaos Space Marines??? Not a chance. Far too powerful.
Lukash_ wrote: Ankhalagon wrote:Experiment 626 wrote:
I'm calling it now; CSM's will get 'Fear' for all units, and while the Lord is alive, he'll grant Preferred Enemy 'Space Marines' to the Chaos Marine unit...
I heard somewhere, its just Hatred.
Hatred to all units from the formation within 12" of the Lord.
Now that sounds more like it. I'm glad to see that GW is continuing in their proud tradition of giving CSM weaksauce rules.
 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:Avatar of Spite? How much you wanna bet it gives Hatred to models within 12" of the Helbrute?
Almost. I thought the Helbrute would be the avatar.
I also heard that if you take this as a Black Legion formation you get Hatred (Games Workshop Design Studio).
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2016/06/15 17:59:22
Subject: Start Collecting - CSM and Militarum Tempestus (June 11) / Eldar and Dark Eldar (June 18)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Experiment 626 wrote:Yoyoyo wrote:It's definitely a tax unit but at 25pts it's not exactly crippling.
25pts is in no way an actual 'tax'.
The actual Cadian Detachment? Now that's a tax!
the 25 Points model is a little risky, I'm going to run mine as the 70pt Lord Commissar version with Carapace armor, that way he can sruvive a strong gust of wind.
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Blood Angels, Custodes, Tzeentch, Alpha Legion, Astra Militarum, Deathwatch, Thousand Sons, Imperial Knights, Tau, Genestealer Cult.
I have a problem.
Being contrary for the sake of being contrary doesn't make you unique, it makes you annoying.
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