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6 new teams or 6 in total? How many would that bring it up to, 22? 28? As the original amount of teams was to many anyway.


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It would also have to offer an amazing amount of product for the $100 price tag as you can generally find Mantic games products in the bargin bin now.

31 I think.

6 Seasons @ 4 per season + Martians + 6 new ones.

Presumably the silliness of Brokkrs and Convicts having the same armour as Forge Fathers and Corp is being knocked on the head too.

Yes 25 current teams including the Martians.

4 teams have been announced for 2nd Edition - Space Robots and Yindij in the box plus Sumo Lizarrds and Cyborgs for stretch goals. I'm not sure they'll get further than that especially if there is no upgrade only pledge. They'll fund the new core game and some extras but I don't see a lot of people backing for a full boxed game again - I know I'd rather just an upgrade kit for $50 I have 24 teams (most still in a box) I don't practicularly want to spend $100+ on a new set the new teams just don't appeal to me all that much.

overtyrant wrote:
6 new teams or 6 in total? How many would that bring it up to, 22? 28? As the original amount of teams was to many anyway.


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It would also have to offer an amazing amount of product for the $100 price tag as you can generally find Mantic games products in the bargin bin now.

This is unfortunately true, huge pile of dreadball on firesale at my local and it's been sitting there for months even at firesale prices.

Not due to lack of demand either since we had the biggest regional in the UK hosted there last year, people still play the game and it is popular, but at this point everyone just has more teams than they can ever play, or got what they needed from the two Kickstarters.

After this KS, there will be around 29 teams and ~70 MVPs. Even the most hardcore players at this point are realizing that owning all the teams is not necessary since they'll never get around to playing them all. I'd like to have them all just to paint and display, but that's a bit of a pipe dream at the moment.

I'd have thought adding new options to existing teams would produce better results than creating new ones. Make 100 mc the default "army list size" for a dreadball game, and include a lot more options to take in terms of player types, different varieties of jack striker and guard to choose from.

A Rebs team with about 12 different model options and types of alien to choose from when building your team would be awesome.

Instead of 4 sculpts per team x 4 for a full team of 16 (with 3 options to pick from), there could be 8 sculpts and at least 6 model type options. Fewer teams, but better teams with different build options.

I'm looking forward to the Yndij to convert for deadzone/ warpath at least.

I backed everything in the original Dreadball run (I truly went a bit nuts!)

Then I realised I'd never have the time for all of this.

So I sold all the teams and most of the MVPs
Only teams I kept were Marauders & Terratons.

I have no desire to pick up new teams.
If I could expand on the Terra/Marauder teams though I would

Updated Yndij WIP

I love the variety of aliens that Dreadball put on the market. Unfortunately for Mantic, they need to compete with their own products from the bargain bin.

This is a pipe dream, but if they had some sort of Deadzone Booster pledge level, that was a selection of models to expand the various Deadzone forces (some of those Yindij look likely), I would be in for that.

But I'm pretty sure something similar was suggested during Warpath and I don't believe it ever came to fruition.

I begged begged BEGGED during the Extreme campaign to get them to do some sort of Deadzone conversion bits.

I would take a bag of (sprue would be nicer) of just hands holding Mantic style weaponry to arm up some teams. Something.

It's such a wasted opportunity as a lot of us are going to end up converting bits and pieces of teams (especially if you end up with full 16 strong teams and only run 8) Mantic might as well get in on the action.

Ideally since they're doing the Dust style PVC, and more than likely everything will be CAD sculpted, do a stretch/ add on for sculpted arms holding weapons! If the parts slide in as nicely as the Infestation stuff did, you could probably get away with not even having to magnetize.

I'd love for those sumo lizards to have a guy carrying a tetsubo around to smack up jacks and strikers getting too close to the goal... or possibly enforcers trying to reach an objective in a Deadzone...

overtyrant wrote:
6 new teams or 6 in total? How many would that bring it up to, 22? 28? As the original amount of teams was to many anyway.


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It would also have to offer an amazing amount of product for the $100 price tag as you can generally find Mantic games products in the bargin bin now.

That's a factor - plus the amount they've been charging for postage in recent campaigns.

Now live

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/dreadball-the-futuristic-sports-game-2/description

1000 EBs at $90. I'll sit on one of those for now see how it goes - no upgrade pledge level.

I'd go in for just a book of update rules, cards/tokens and perhaps the board if there are significant differences.

I'm not going in for anything that includes models.

I'm not too fussed though, having thought about it I don't think I've played DB for well over 2 years.

As I was moaning in a chat just now, I'm already about ~$800 into DB for what is not a particularly well balanced system that's having some fundamental changes to it.

So Mantic want my money at this stage it needs to be an upgrade pack and get the public beta going.

$90 EB is pretty good, makes it an easier decision to back.

Hopefully they stick to a single fixed $90 with all the new minis in there and limited add-ons for deluxe components.

The new plastic they're using is fantastic, they finally have something that actually woks, doesn't warp, holds good detail and doesn't have much flash.

Fits together really well too, I noticed my deadzone v2 stuff was all able to slot together and hold without glue since the fit was so good.

As for the rules, they're getting a lot of work by the rules committee which has been expanded (3 people from the deadzone committee are on it as well).

From what I've heard, they're moving to a TWD-style system that keeps d6's, but has different coloured ones showing successes, which allows much greater granularity of stats without the need for d10's or d12's (and actually offers better granularity than a d20).

For example, a white dice might have 4 blanks and 2 success faces on it (equivalent of rolling a d6 and needing 5+) blue dice might have 3 blank/ 3 success (equivalent of 4+) and so on.. and then from there they can keep the existing balance of the current teams as a baseline for balancing and make small tweaks... e.g. if they want to improve a model that had 5+ speed in v1, they could upgrade it from 3 white dice (5+) to 2 white dice (5+) and 1 blue dice (4+).

Much better system and plays faster when you have the dice in-hand as well.. naturally they will be keeping an "explode" on one face as the "6".

So, d6 format is staying, and being improved upon, and fixing the #1 problem people had with it, too many "samey" profiles in the game due to all stats being either 3+,4+ or 5+.

The game is getting a complete statistical overhaul and rebalance, one of the members of the dreadball RC is an expert statistician when was able to do things like ensure an even distribution curve of net RP gain on the deadzone d88 exploration table.

I've backed for $90 because I love Dreadball, and a cleaned up revised edition is worth my support for such a good game.

BUT They really should have a "upgrade" pledge for those who just want the new rulebooks, board, cards - no box or minis, etc. "Upgrade your Dreadball 1 to Dreadball 2"

The new DZ plastic does go together wonderfully, but if I understand correctly, these figures will be either single-cast or pre-assembled, so that's not really an issue.

I don't intend to back this one, but wish you all luck with it. (I have enough DBX figures to convert for Deadzone.) I'd like to see DB improved, but I think the question Mantic will need to answer is, why should I pre-invest in reworking DB, rather than wait until it's out and reviewed? The traditional answer is to get lower prices and / or exclusives, but I'm not very trusting about the pricing at this point, as Mantic games don't reliably hold value for long. So if I were Mantic, I'd pack this KS with exclusives, and I'd make them in plastic (no metal), and I'd make them good. KS exclusives are controversial, they bother some people, and they also regularly propel CMON to large KS sums the like of which Mantic has never seen. "Moral" issues of retail buyers missing out on KS exclusives aside, from a funding standpoint, the choice seems clear to me. In terms of selling the base game at retail afterwards, that's down to making a good enough game that's worth the money at retail. Zombicide seems to manage that just fine.

Doing a lower cost upgrade pack for existing players makes sense, but I don't see Mantic doing that, as they'd see that as eating into their higher base pledge sales.

I grabbed an early bird because Early Bird!

But would swap it out for an upgrade package in a heart beat. I likely won't keep the EB to be honest. We'll see what the final 'value' looks like to me and I may sell off everything BUT what I need for an upgrade package.

We'll see.

Will be skipping this one unless a 'just the books' lower Pledge level appears

I am really liking the Jet Set Radio vibes given off by Tracer. So the funding goal has been hit already, and it will probably easily beat 100k today. What kind of total do people see this reaching?

I was on the fence, but I was able to snag an EB pledge.

It looks like the early stretch goals will fill both teams out to 12 player teams, plus 2 coaches, and downed player markers, which would probably be at least $90 retail anyways

Hard to tell without seeing the full opening day data. DBX did $575,605 over 24 days with an opening day of $251,616. Currently at $92k might get to $200k today but might not - it's still early in the US and work time in UK/EU. I just don't see the current 2nd edition doing as well with the all or nothing set up and no upgrade pledge which may prevent backers who have no interest in more teams and miniatures from backing. Gut feeling says $350k - $400k.

EDIT: DBXs opening day is a bad one to judge by as many backers double pledged not knowing if Rampage or Frenzy was the better option which caused problems later in the campaign.

Sumo lizards will keep me in if they're a stretch. Especially if they end up with a giant or a swanky captain/ mvp type. I picture those lizards having a Godzilla- like giant to play with.

The new dice sound intriguing. Makes it sound even easier to play. The kids have no excuse then!

I think I probably just can't justify backing for anything including more teams although an upgrade pack at $30-40 would probably bring me in

Retailer pledge at a decent price, step in the right direction. Not that any retailer will be able to sell when all people interested have already got the KS.

I feel I should justify this negativity, as I moan when others do it.

Mantic are really damaging retailers, and it's not on. Ronnie seems to say one thing then does another. He made plenty of noise about not doing KS constantly, then it's one after the other.

I know Mantic read the forum. Stop preaching about being the friendly alternative to big companies like GW, then doing your best to piss off the FLGS by taking business away. I know a few stores which aren't going to bother stocking Mantic. Please start thinking about things better, before you end up completely reliant on KS to stay alive.

Has Mantic released any game without a KS in the last couple of years?

(not sarcastic, genuine curiosity)

The plastic counters this time are looking really good, and free in the base pledge as well which is very good news.

If we hit this stretch goal we will upgrade the card counters in the DreadBall core game (included in the Striker $100 and Early Bird pledge levels) to 3D plastic counters. You will get 5 Home Action Counters, 5 Visitor Action Counters and 1 Special Event Counter.

In addition, we’ll do something a bit special with the Score and Rush trackers… we’ll upgrade them to full models!

The Embers

The Embers are the burned remains of the Iskali Ravens’ kit after they lost the first Challenge cup by a huge margin…. And possibly their coach, too.



Replacing the Score Tracker is ‘The Embers’ – a characterful and fun DreadBall Trophy!

The Eye in the Sky



The Eye in the Sky is a RefBot that see’s everything – and now it has been realized as a fully 3D miniature. Oozing character, this fun addition replaces your Rush Track Counter.

Yeah with the early birds gone., I don't see any need to pledge into the list couple of days. Or unless they release a dB version 1 eupgrad kit

+1 for upgrade kit.

Otherwise I'm just going to wait for retail.

 CptJake wrote:
Has Mantic released any game without a KS in the last couple of years?

(not sarcastic, genuine curiosity)

The very early editions of KoW and Warpath were created in house, but were never printed. The original batch of plastics (Elves, Dwarves, Undead, Orx, and Forge Fathers) were all produced with their own capital, as were the metals that went with them.

Since then, they've mostly released things that had been Kickstarted, but earlier in 2016 they did release some KoW models that they funded. Things like the Ogre Hunters, the Goblin Biggit, and Undead Wights. Now they're also releasing Kingdoms of Dust.

But as for a game? Nope.