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Stupid question tbh, and im not talking about strict tournaments, but my armies at 2003pts for a 2k friendly; will people mind? I dont know them, so ill probably ask, and see what they say, and adjust accordingly . If you guys have any notion of what you would do please advise

I say 1 point is to much unless it's a 500 point game(at so low in points you may need 3 just to build a list)
Drop a melta bomb or other small upgrade

There's strong opinions about that on this site, and a thread not so long about that subject, but for me, a casual game, 3 points over is fine imo, provided there isn't a 3-point upgrade somewhere in your army.

Because, sometimes the points just work out that way, and I'd prefer my opponent be 3 points over and happy than me force him to axe a marine and be 15 point under, or something like that.

Still, there's almost always 5 points you can cut somewhere, if you opponent insists.

For me, it's not a big deal to be over by 5 or fewer points - sometimes it's hard to cut that down.

for example - last weekend I played a game, and I was 3 points over. I mentioned it to my opponent, who said it was fine, but then I realized I was bringing non-minimum squads of grots, so I just axed a grot and was golden. Sometimes it's not that easy, and that's fine with me.

I'm in the camp where you agree to a limit and that's a hard limit lol. Several of my lists end up being 1-4 points under. If it's really an issue just talk to your opponent, and have a way to change the list quickly if they take issue with it. Such as dropping a small upgrade, as Oldmike says.

It has been 1 for years
But all that free stuff from formations kinda makes it moot.

If you're over the limit because of an inconsequential upgrade then remove it.

If you're over the limit because it lets you squeeze in an extra unit or a crucial upgrade then that's cheating.

If you don't believe that it matters, why ask the question?
And, IMO, a point limit is just that; a limit. While I won't pack up over it, the point limit is supposed to be arbitrary. if you want to play without them, play fantasy. . .

Helpful guys, very helpful ) i might just ask them to add 5 points more or something :p

 oldzoggy wrote:
It has been 1 for years
But all that free stuff from formations kinda makes it moot.

If that couple of points lets you take the last unit you need to qualify for the formation and get all of the free stuff then it's even more important.

1

Going over it is breaking an agreement between players that you will play at whatever points cost.

plain and simple.

1 point over is too much... That allows some upgrade or model somewhere in your army that should not be there. You're bringing more points than have been agreed.... If I agreed to play 2000 pts with someone and they said- "hey I'm 3 points over, why don't you take an extra 5 pts?" I would say- "why don't you drop some points and play at the level we agreed?"

1. If you wanted to play a 1005 point game, ask your opponent for a 1005 point game. It's that simple.

If someone other than my gaming buddies says X points I'll assume that it means X points, no more.

My mates and I however borrow a rule from another game (I forget which, warzone maybe?) that you can go over by up to half the cost of the cheapest model in the army.

Depends what sends you over.

I think that so long as both players are happy with the actual number of points being brought by both sides, it doesn't really matter.

Ask your opponent. Mention that you'd be happy to take something out if it's an issue. Make them feel that they're not the bad guy for wanting to stick within the precise points limits and can feel free to say no. Because they're not the bad guy. And if they do say no, accept that as the answer immediately, don't push it further, and find something in your list you can drop to be under the points limit.

That said, if it's a random game against someone you've never met before, stay within the points limits. Period. Some people really don't like deviating from the standard points value, but would never let you know because of the social pressures to avoid a possible argument. And ultimately this game is about fun for all involved players. No one ever dislikes it when their opponent is within the limits though.

Of course, 1 point over is too far, it is the limit, after all. BUT, there is absolutely nothing wrong with asking your opponent about it anyway as long as you are completely willing to accept their answer without complaint or comment.

If you want to break the limit, it's not much of a limit now is it?

I say just ask. It gets the topic open and the persons playing against you might've assumed 3-5 over is fine also. 99% of the time asking means people won't care much (as long as you're not tfg) and it'll build trust for your honesty.

1 point over is 1 point too many.

1850 means 1850 or less.

1850 signifies the highest number of points that should be in your army. Any more than that, and you've unfairly exceeded that limit.

This is, of course, my attitude toward constructing my own list(s).

If my opponent showed up with an extra 3 points, I wouldn't really mention it or make a fuss about it.

I'm in the camp of go under, never over. There has to something to drop as people said. Pouncey pretty much summed my group up. We play 1850 and I doubt anyone isn't 1-5 under.

 Gashrog wrote:
My mates and I however borrow a rule from another game (I forget which, warzone maybe?) that you can go over by up to half the cost of the cheapest model in the army.

That's not really the same thing as the OP was asking, since all of your mates know that when you agree to a 1,000 points game you're really agreeing to a 1,000+x points game.

1. If I had to make sacrifices to meet my points limit, why shouldn't you?

Depends how relaxed the game is. My friends and I allow up to 50 because we don't play tailored lists, we play what looks and feels cool.

Also, if it's a game being arranged well in advance with someone you already know, don't ask them if it's okay right before the game. Ask them at least a day in advance, the earlier the better, so there's less pressure to get the game going as soon as possible and avoid delays. Also gives you more time to do some fine-tuning if they do want to stay entirely within the points limit and you need to tinker with your list.

In casual games, 2 or 3 points over is no big deal, but if you're are 499 points in a 500 point game and you purchase a 3 point upgrade to put you over to 402, that's not OK. So a couple of points over is fine, but if you're that close to the points limit, leave it. Better to be under by a point than over by a point.

In less casual and competitive games (e.g. competitions at your FLGS or tournaments), strictly less than or equal to the points limit is a must. 1 point over is 1 point too many for these games.

If we set a point limit ahead of time 0 points slack. I keep under the limit, and made sacrifices and trades in what I wanted to get there. You can do the same.

If you are tossing a quick list together at the tableside, 5ish points. I’d rather get playing then wait half an hour for you to tweak your list.

Usually I'll ask whether it's ok for me to add an upgrade if they ask for a few points over.

Answer they give matches mine to their question.

Without points limits you might as well be playing AOS. If your list is 3 points over, time to drop a piece of wargear to get under.

In the old days where wargear and units had oddish point values it was easier to do. But in todays world of round numbers to get under points you might find yourself running 1486 in 1500 points because there just isn't anything avialable to drop under 15 points.

But those are the breaks and why you play with limits, so you have to play inside the game.

 Jayden63 wrote:
Without points limits you might as well be playing AOS. If your list is 3 points over, time to drop a piece of wargear to get under.

In the old days where wargear and units had oddish point values it was easier to do. But in todays world of round numbers to get under points you might find yourself running 1486 in 1500 points because there just isn't anything avialable to drop under 15 points.

But those are the breaks and why you play with limits, so you have to play inside the game.

To be fair, I blatantly break the game's rules every time I bring an Exorcist to the tabletop. Because according to the proper rules regarding vehicle weapon firing arcs and line of sight, the Exorcist is only allowed to shoot at targets in a 45 degree cone straight up. Everyone who lets it shoot at targets in any other direction are, at best, playing with a house rule, and at worst, blatantly cheating to gain a huge in-game advantage. Also there's a large number of 40k players who are completely unaware of this, including numerous Sisters of Battle players who regularly use Exorcists. Even GW, when this was brought up in an FAQ some years ago, didn't quite seem to grasp the fact that RAW prevented the Exorcist from shooting at anything at all unless Titans or Flyers were involved at point-blank range, as the response to the question effectively confirmed that yes, that is the case, in a way that suggested that GW was unaware of the actual question being asked.

The thing about house rules though is that all players involved have to agree to them. If one or both players don't want to play with a house rule that lets both sides go a little bit over the points limit with their opponent's permission, then they revert to the standard rules. Some people are okay with going a little bit over though, and if both players agree and are happy with the situation, there's really nothing wrong with that. One of the huge advantages that tabletop games have over computer games is that the rules are easier to modify to the players' preference.

 Nevelon wrote:
If you are tossing a quick list together at the tableside, 5ish points. I’d rather get playing then wait half an hour for you to tweak your list.

This, with the addition that I'm OK with that 5ish points if it keeps your army WYSIWYG. There's nothing worse than having 2 or 3 squads, and having to remember did I not give melta bombs to squad A, B, or C. IMO, allowing a couple points to keep redundant squads actually redundant saves from later, potentially game altering "cheating" (whether it was intended or not)