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2016/06/18 01:35:31
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Changing Our Legion's Name
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So my question for everyone, is do you prefer playing your "Traitors" as "Loyalists" / "Loyalists" as "Traitors". Be it an Alternate Heresy, Crusade Era, Post Heresy Loyalist remnants, Traitors that abandoned their Legion or "these guys are just loyal/Traitor because I can"? Personally I like the think of my Death Guard as Loyal, either in the Crusade Era or Just Because I can, even though I include Typhon Which is a big fat sickness loving Traitor. I'm just a loyalist fan boy in all honesty.
Interested to see if anyone else likes to mix it up a bit and why they prefer it that way.
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2016/06/18 01:54:45
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Inquisitorial Keeper of the Xenobanks
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Typhon is one of the characters I hate the most in the 30k / 40k background^^
I'm torn apart between the glorious Loyalist Emperor's Children, early Crusade / Istvaan era ,or the infamous Traitors, but with all the nasty gear (shriekers, kakophony...), the characters I like (Lucius and Fulgrim) and their dramatic fall.
So I'ill do both^^
Oh, and I'm a loyalist fan boy too, this is what I did a 30k Emperor's Children at first: to do the EC without going rogue ! 
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2016/06/18 02:12:01
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Huge Hierodule
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Loyalist Death Guard here
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2016/06/18 05:44:28
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Fiery Bright Wizard
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 godardc wrote:Typhon is one of the characters I hate the most in the 30k / 40k background^^
I dislike heresy Typhon, but pre-heresy the dude was bad-ass. How many marines sat on a grenade to save some generic infantry men? There's a reason pre-heresy DG were so well liked (before they got all chem-y)
To OP: depends on what I want to fluff/play that game. My DG I have fluffed out as loyalists, who are possibly gonna go the whole "save the baby or the mother' dilemma and fall..... eventually 
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2016/06/18 08:14:39
Subject: Re:How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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My World Eaters are definitely traitors, I painted the dead/dying marine on Kharn's base as an Ultra Marine 
I have, however, been toying with the idea of getting some loyalist Death Guard, mainly so I can introduce people in my area to 30k but also because the Death Guard are my second favourite 30k legion.
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“Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
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2016/06/18 11:04:01
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Morally grey dark angels here, borderline blackshields, is there any other kind?
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2016/06/18 11:21:53
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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Loyalist Ultramarines.
Stock, solid, reliable. I’ll leave the moral ambiguity and angst to chapters that dig that kind of thing. We just hold the line.
Courage and Honor.
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2016/06/18 14:49:14
Subject: Re:How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Stalwart Tribune
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Loyalist Ordo Reductor here.
But sometimes we go a little overboard....
But we are still loyal(Kind of...)!
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2016/06/18 19:26:41
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Bounding Assault Marine
Leominster
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Loyalist Luna Wolves.
I love their color scheme, and they were the best before the Heresy.
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"I was never a Son of Horus. I was and remain a Luna Wolf. A proud son of Cthonia, a loyal servant of the Emperor."
Recasts are like Fight Cub. No one talks about it, but more people do it then you realize.
Armies.
Luna Wolves 4,000 Points
Thousand Sons 4,000 Points. |
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2016/06/18 22:31:24
Subject: Re:How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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Loyalist Ordo Reductor from the beginning!
Loyalist traitor legion marines when marines are in use.
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-px27tzAtVwZpZ4ljopV2w "ashtrays and teacups do not count as cover"
"jack of all trades, master of none; certainly better than a master of one"
The Ordo Reductor - the guy's who make wonderful things like the Landraider Achillies, but can't use them in battle..  |
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2016/06/19 15:28:39
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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Full traitor Word Bearers here.
o7
We are as traitor as it gets.
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2016/06/19 17:38:39
Subject: Re:How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Daring Dark Eldar Raider Rider
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Loyalist Iron Warriors. They are devout in their faith to the Emperor and shall never abandon his light! 
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Iron Warriors 
Dark Eldar 
" It is always good to remember WHY we are in this hobby, and often times it is because of the PEOPLE we share our time with" |
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2016/06/19 17:54:55
Subject: Re:How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Fiery Bright Wizard
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FireSkullz2 wrote:Loyalist Iron Warriors. They are devout in their faith to the Emperor and shall never abandon his light!
That sounds a lot like emperor worship, one of the things that he punished the word bearers for and actively OPPOSES! Dagum people not reading the imperial truth
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I'll never be able to repay CA for making GW realize that The Old World was a cash cow, left to die in a field. |
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2016/06/19 21:46:46
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Warning From Magnus? Not Listening!
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How about neither? Iron Hands survivors driven mad by the death of their father that only care about exacting revenge on those who hurt them and any who try to stop them on their rampage.
Let's me fight loyalist and traitors for fluff reasons
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2016/06/20 02:40:16
Subject: Re:How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Raging-on-the-Inside Blood Angel Sergeant
Lawrenceville, New Jersey, USA
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Loyalist Blood Angels will be first followed by traitor Alpha Legionaries.
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The black rage is within us all. Lies offer no shield against the inevitable. You speak of donning the black of duty for the red of brotherhood; but it is the black of rage you shall wear when the darkness comes for you. |
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2016/06/20 03:28:48
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Huge Hierodule
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By IWs will play either side depending on what my 'opponent is".
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was censored by the ministry of truth |
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2016/06/20 04:58:51
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Dakka Veteran
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Full traitor Word Bearers. Is there any other kind?
Traitor Mechanicum from Xana. Gotta love warp powered machines!
I've been toying with a loyalist traitor Legion or Space Wolves. I'm waiting for the next book to see what they get. And Custodes!
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2016/06/20 12:49:24
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Khorne Veteran Marine with Chain-Axe
Bodt
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Traitor World Eaters, full stop. Loyalist World Eaters just don't get it, they don't get their Primarch, they don't understand the meanings of freedom and slavery.
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St. Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go. I owe my soul to GW's store. |
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2016/06/20 23:20:22
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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I like my loyalists in shining armour.
I like my Traitors roasted on an open Flamer.
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2016/06/21 03:15:02
Subject: Re:How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Veteran Knight Baron in a Crusader
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I play Blood Angels mostly because I loved them in 40k and already had a good deal of heresy compatible models. I also very occasionally use my 40k Chaos Marines as Isstvaan V traitors.
If I had the money I'd quite like to make a small (not much larger than a single BaC box) Loyalist Emperor's Children Army lead by Saul Tarvitz with Rylanor The Unyielding representing a force of proud survivors on Isstvaan III.
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2016/06/21 11:14:23
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Executing Exarch
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I play Loyalist Salamanders, so I like my loyalists with humility, and nobility.
And I like my traitors crispy 
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2016/06/21 12:06:03
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Loyalist through and through, but being Istvaan V Shattered Legions there is the odd Loyalist Alpha Legionnaire, Iron Warrior or Night Lord in there that refused to turn on their fellow Legions and joined up with the survivors of the Dropsite Massacre... not sure about the true motives of the Alpha Legion guy, though...
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2016/06/21 20:54:12
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker
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I play a Word Bearers army. The traitor part doesn't even need to be stated.
My Knights I'm working on are all going to be House Makabius, so traitors as well.
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2016/06/21 21:17:52
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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My thousand sons have no idea if they are traitor or loyalist ...
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2016/06/21 21:26:24
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Fiery Bright Wizard
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ALL thousand sons who follow Magnus are LOYAL (and just to happen to be stuck 'serving' a chaos god because of some team-killing furries), unless you're one of those damn Ahriminian exiles!
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I'll never be able to repay CA for making GW realize that The Old World was a cash cow, left to die in a field. |
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2016/06/21 21:32:31
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Morphing Obliterator
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I'm building Maloghurst right now so yeah Loyalists are boring
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Playing mostly Necromunda and Battletech, Malifaux is awesome too! |
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2016/06/21 23:19:09
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Fixture of Dakka
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 Brennonjw wrote:
ALL thousand sons who follow Magnus are LOYAL (and just to happen to be stuck 'serving' a chaos god because of some team-killing furries), unless you're one of those damn Ahriminian exiles!
So Loyal. With their multiple examples of traitorous actions like attacking Imperial forces, summoning Daemons even after being ordered not to use ANY psychic powers by the Emperor and being responsible for crippling Humanity in the long term. Feel that loyalty.
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tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam |
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2016/06/22 00:08:02
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Fiery Bright Wizard
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pm713 wrote: Brennonjw wrote:
ALL thousand sons who follow Magnus are LOYAL (and just to happen to be stuck 'serving' a chaos god because of some team-killing furries), unless you're one of those damn Ahriminian exiles!
So Loyal. With their multiple examples of traitorous actions like attacking Imperial forces, summoning Daemons even after being ordered not to use ANY psychic powers by the Emperor and being responsible for crippling Humanity in the long term. Feel that loyalty.
The Ultramarines formed a second Imperium when Guilliman ASSUMED terra would fall. No one has called him a traitor because? We're it not for his actions, the Dark Angels, Blood Angels, and most of the UM legion would have been at Terra before the seige, and the traitors would have lost horrendously.
The Space Wolves, MULTIPLE times, attacked fellow Astartes, both with and without permission. (i.e. night of the wolves, or whatever it was called when Russ attacked a still loyal Angron)
Dark Angels went half rogue, still team-kill to this very day, still considered 'loyal'. As well as the Scars going half rouge as well.
The Thousand Sons used psychic powers after a blatantly biased 'conference' that was used to placate the anti-psyker Primarchs and the Lords of Terra AND was being fiddled with by the changeling. They never summoned daemons for battle use, but familiars (and still it's debatable that those familiars were malevolent daemons). As for crippling humanity in the long term: How was magnus to know what the Emperor was doing when that dumb-ass never told ANYONE what his plan was? Especially since he intended for Magnus to sit on the throne by the end anyways? Had the emperor had foresight (or at least the decency to check on the info Magnus delivered) then a whole lot would have been avoided.
The ONLY times Magnusite Thousand Sons have attacked imperial factions are: 1) The burning of Prospero, 2) the battle of the Fang (in revenge for Prospero, and 3) This new 'battle of the Fang' and we have no fluff on that yet at all. When it comes to Chaos, even Ahriminian exiles hate Tzeentch for what he's done to the legion, but are no longer associated with Magnus and the Thousand Sons legions. Or are we to assume the Ultramarines Traitors because multiple UM chapters have fallen?
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2016/06/22 00:24:55
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Brennonjw wrote:pm713 wrote: Brennonjw wrote:
ALL thousand sons who follow Magnus are LOYAL (and just to happen to be stuck 'serving' a chaos god because of some team-killing furries), unless you're one of those damn Ahriminian exiles!
So Loyal. With their multiple examples of traitorous actions like attacking Imperial forces, summoning Daemons even after being ordered not to use ANY psychic powers by the Emperor and being responsible for crippling Humanity in the long term. Feel that loyalty.
The Thousand Sons used psychic powers after a blatantly biased 'conference' that was used to placate the anti-psyker Primarchs and the Lords of Terra AND was being fiddled with by the changeling. They never summoned daemons for battle use, but familiars (and still it's debatable that those familiars were malevolent daemons). As for crippling humanity in the long term: How was magnus to know what the Emperor was doing when that dumb-ass never told ANYONE what his plan was? Especially since he intended for Magnus to sit on the throne by the end anyways? Had the emperor had foresight (or at least the decency to check on the info Magnus delivered) then a whole lot would have been avoided.
The ONLY times Magnusite Thousand Sons have attacked imperial factions are: 1) The burning of Prospero, 2) the battle of the Fang (in revenge for Prospero, and 3) This new 'battle of the Fang' and we have no fluff on that yet at all. When it comes to Chaos, even Ahriminian exiles hate Tzeentch for what he's done to the legion, but are no longer associated with Magnus and the Thousand Sons legions. Or are we to assume the Ultramarines Traitors because multiple UM chapters have fallen?
1. The fact remains they knowingly and willingly broke a law quite happily.
2. A LOT would have been avoided if the Emperor had a brain. The Thousand Sons are still traitors though.
3. The Battle of Prospero where they could have easily surrendered to the Custodes.
4. So you have the Magnus faction who waltzed into the Fang slaughtering a Loyalist Chapter and knowingly devastated their long term plans. Then you have Ahrimans faction who potter around doing Chaos stuff. So you Thousand Sons are still traitors they're just not very happy with Tzeentch. We assume they're all traitors because they all have participated in traitorous acts.
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2016/06/22 00:30:40
Subject: How do you like your Traitors and Loyalists?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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pm713 wrote:3. The Battle of Prospero where they could have easily surrendered to the Custodes.
No they couldn't. Horus gave the Custodes the order to kill (which Horus deliberately did to turn the TSons traitor.) If I steal a cucumber and the police hunt me and try to kill me for it, and in response I leg it and/or fight back, am I a traitor?
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