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Yes, we're talking about those little wristbands like the ones with the word "Livestrong" on them back before Lance Armstrong got kicked out of cycling.

https://polisen.se/Aktuellt/Nyheter/2016/Juni/Tafsa-inte--och-polisanmal-om-du-blivit-utsatt/

The wristbands aren't meant to actually stop attacks, instead start conversations about how molesting women is wrong. Still, given that most of the groping spree in Europe is being done my middle-eastern migrants who don't read Swedish, this looks like it'll be as successful as that Starbucks "race together" campaign.

I hope it does start something positive. If I was raised in a culture that says single women a walking alone are open season, I'd go on a groping spree too.

But most of the attackers neither read nor speak Swedish so how does this help anyone? It seems like this is designed more to make Swedish women feel safer than it is to actually accomplish anything meaningful.

Hmmmm

Tackling this at root might help. Like making sure the ones responsible know what western values are.

If they want to live here they need to learn a few things...

Welcome to sweden, where you don't report rape because you may be called a racist.

 Soladrin wrote:
Welcome to sweden, where you don't report rape because you may be called a racist.

Should just make it clear. Rape =deportation... Hell of a way to repay a country that took you in

I don't think they necessarily are mostly foreigners, there just seems to be a world wide outcry at female molestation and abuse atm. The issue seem to be being raised all over the globe including South Americas, Asia and Europe.

However that being said there are certain differences in how women are viewed in certain cultures, England for example is full of mainstream crap about how women are objects. Also there is Certainly a difference between the cultures like some of the middle eastern countries, like Saudi Arabia. But also of course Syria, but also alot of it is misconception which the right wing media seeks to exaggerate in order to rear monger and gain support. There sicko's in any country and blaming it on minorities is never going to help.

Also how do you know they don't speak some of your languages?

So i think as said befor, anything that might open a dialog, give women a voice or the confidence to stand up for themselves is a good thing.

...Flipping heck my gf must be getting to me

 Breotan wrote:
Yes, we're talking about those little wristbands like the ones with the word "Livestrong" on them back before Lance Armstrong got kicked out of cycling.

https://polisen.se/Aktuellt/Nyheter/2016/Juni/Tafsa-inte--och-polisanmal-om-du-blivit-utsatt/

The wristbands aren't meant to actually stop attacks, instead start conversations about how molesting women is wrong. Still, given that most of the groping spree in Europe is being done my middle-eastern migrants who don't read Swedish, this looks like it'll be as successful as that Starbucks "race together" campaign.

A lot more people than middle easterners grope and otherwise sexually assault women but I guess thinking about that doesn't advance race war.


They're handing these out to young people at festivals and other such events since groping is particularly a problem in this demographic. This is not a call for eternal vigilance against the horrors of the foreign types, it's an attempt to get people to pay attention and consider their actions in any way at all.

I've got to say, it's very hard to find legitimate information on sexual assaults in Sweden. One site I read (definitely not an impartial one) claimed it was due to Sweden's government not gathering the data, their interpretation being that it casts a bad light on their liberal policies of Muslim immigrants.

Can anyone else find legitimate statistics on the rates over there?

 djones520 wrote:
I've got to say, it's very hard to find legitimate information on sexual assaults in Sweden. One site I read (definitely not an impartial one) claimed it was due to Sweden's government not gathering the data, their interpretation being that it casts a bad light on their liberal policies of Muslim immigrants.

Can anyone else find legitimate statistics on the rates over there?

Well, there's BRÅ

https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/rape-and-sex-offences.html

which is the national council for crime prevention and an agency under the ministry of justice.

The short story is that we already covered the whole "rape" think multiple times before, we pointed out that the huge jumps in rape reports happened whenever the legal definitions of rape were changed, and that there was just a very minor uptick relates to immigration. The whole "middle eastern men are raping their women" is a bs story based on bs data that has been debunked here multiple times, but it keeps on getting repeated.

Cause if there's one thing rapists understand is consent...

Not sure of the article but the title says it is groping, not rape, and it is part of the conversation about inappropriate touching. Not sure where the idea that this was done because it would stop all rapes.

I do not believe this is the magic key to stopping the problem, but I can't see it being hurtful.

I am okay with this.

And here i thought it was common sense thanks for reminding me

This sounds like a reasonable response to a sexual assault epidemic.

I was reading the other day that various Nordic countries run orientation classes for immigrants including refugees.

At these classes they explain the differences in Nordic society and also give help with learning the local language and things like that.

Apparently these classes are fairly popular since many immigrants are young men who want to meet women and realise they can't do it effectively without understanding how to interact with the local women.

I think that kind of approach is very helpful.

Oh for the love of... not this BS again.

 Breotan wrote:
Still, given that most of the groping spree in Europe is being done my middle-eastern migrants who don't read Swedish, this looks like it'll be as successful as that Starbucks "race together" campaign.

Citation very much needed on that.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
This sounds like a reasonable response to a sexual assault epidemic.

Same on this.

We've been through this absolute bollocks multiple times the last year already. I really don't feel like digging up the same blasted law texts over and over AND OVER AND OVER because a few of our posters refuse to read anything that dares suggest that immigrants aren't the Scum of the Earth.

d-usa summed it up nicely:

 d-usa wrote:
The short story is that we already covered the whole "rape" think multiple times before, we pointed out that the huge jumps in rape reports happened whenever the legal definitions of rape were changed, and that there was just a very minor uptick relates to immigration. The whole "middle eastern men are raping their women" is a bs story based on bs data that has been debunked here multiple times, but it keeps on getting repeated.

I'll just add that chap. 6 1§ of the Swedish penal code includes "threat of illegal action" as enough to convict for rape if that threat is used to coerce sex or sexual actions from someone. It's an amazingly wide definition.

Sweden's had a problem with sexual violence for a very long time now, predating the influx of refugees in recent years. Some folks might remember The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo a decade ago, and one of its biggest themes is Sweden's sexual violence epidemic.

 Laughing Man wrote:
Sweden's had a problem with sexual violence for a very long time now, predating the influx of refugees in recent years. Some folks might remember The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo a decade ago, and one of its biggest themes is Sweden's sexual violence epidemic.

And before our new rape laws, we were roughly on par with the rest of the developed world in statistics. We're thus looking at one of three scenarios:

a) Swedes are more prone to raping people than the citizens of other OECD nations

b) Immigrants that didn't start coming here until well after the laws were changed are responsible

c) Changing the definition of "rape" to a wider definition means more crimes will count as rape, which means the number of rapes reported will increase

I'm obviously arguing "c)", and I'd go so far as to say that if you implemented the same definition of rape elsewhere, that nation would seemingly have an "epidemic" too. The rapes are already happening, they're just not visible in the system.

Rape has gone up in the UK every time the policy or law has been changed to make it less woman-unfriendly to report or prosecute it.

To me this suggests that the earlier lower stats were the result of under-reporting caused by a stronger culture of social acceptability of rape and sexual violence.

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Yes, we're talking about those little wristbands like the ones with the word "Livestrong" on them back before Lance Armstrong got kicked out of cycling.

https://polisen.se/Aktuellt/Nyheter/2016/Juni/Tafsa-inte--och-polisanmal-om-du-blivit-utsatt/

The wristbands aren't meant to actually stop attacks, instead start conversations about how molesting women is wrong. Still, given that most of the groping spree in Europe is being done my middle-eastern migrants who don't read Swedish, this looks like it'll be as successful as that Starbucks "race together" campaign.

A lot more people than middle easterners grope and otherwise sexually assault women but I guess thinking about that doesn't advance race war.

I really think that the media is spinning this as race wars when in reality it is culture wars. I have seen first hand in Britain that when you have foregeiners who assimilate in to the culture there is no animosity and it really doesn't seem to be an issue but when you get a huge influx of people all at once they just stick together and make little effort for integration. Many Foreign cultures do not respect women like we do in the west and when in Rome...

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Rape has gone up in the UK every time the policy or law has been changed to make it less woman-unfriendly to report or prosecute it.

To me this suggests that the earlier lower stats were the result of under-reporting caused by a stronger culture of social acceptability of rape and sexual violence.

This. It's very convenient to just blame the Swedish statistics on immigrants, because it means not having to accept that there's a large segment of one's own population who are chauvinistic donkeycaves.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Rape has gone up in the UK every time the policy or law has been changed to make it less woman-unfriendly to report or prosecute it.

To me this suggests that the earlier lower stats were the result of under-reporting caused by a stronger culture of social acceptability of rape and sexual violence.

This. It's very convenient to just blame the Swedish statistics on immigrants, because it means not having to accept that there's a large segment of one's own population who are chauvinistic donkeycaves.

But surely this is just as convenient a way to to blame the native population and absolve immigrants from any wrong doing. What we should be doing is looking at the actual statistics of who is committing the crimes, this information should be freely available and it would end this debate once and for all.

Tank_Dweller wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Rape has gone up in the UK every time the policy or law has been changed to make it less woman-unfriendly to report or prosecute it.

To me this suggests that the earlier lower stats were the result of under-reporting caused by a stronger culture of social acceptability of rape and sexual violence.

This. It's very convenient to just blame the Swedish statistics on immigrants, because it means not having to accept that there's a large segment of one's own population who are chauvinistic donkeycaves.

But surely this is just as convenient a way to to blame the native population and absolve immigrants from any wrong doing. What we should be doing is looking at the actual statistics of who is committing the crimes, this information should be freely available and it would end this debate once and for all.

Statistically immigrants are overrepresented, but that does not explain he jump from 29 rapes per 100,000 in 2004 to 42 per 100,000 in 2005, when the new rape law was implemented.* In victimisation surveys Sweden's not significantly worse or better off than other OECD nations when it comes to sexual assault and rape.

Then there's a multitude of other issues, such as whether a foreigner is more likely to be sentenced for the same crime than a Swede, and how we're supposed to tell the ethnicity of someone who figures in a reported rape but isn't convicted.

*Going off of memory, I'll try to find a source when I'm not on my phone.

EDIT: I also don't think it's unrealistic to assume that Swedes rape at roughly the same rate as the citizens of other OECD members. Adopting a wiser definition of rape will lead to an increase in the number of rapes reported, but not to an increase in actual rapes. I'm simply assuming that we're roughly as awful as everyone else, and that the increase in reported rapes is due to a combination of legislation and an increased propensity to report sex crimes, caused in part by initiatives such as the one in the OP.

If groping is an issue, give each potential victim a can of pepper spray and/or a stun gun and allow them to use it.

The "Hey, your eyes are burning like the surface of the sun because you assaulted me" conversation ought to work better than the conversation started by the bracelets, and any language barrier won't get in the way of the lesson taught by pain.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:


Then there's a multitude of other issues, such as whether a foreigner is more likely to be sentenced for the same crime than a Swede, and how we're supposed to tell the ethnicity of someone who figures in a reported rape but isn't convicted.

What a mess. I still think that the only answer is complete transparency and if immigrants or anybody for that matter are being let off if really needs to be scrutinized without cries of political correctness sabotaging the facts. The problem is the facts are being lost in a fog of war between the blatant lies of the mainstream media and the overbearing narrative of the state, everyone has an agenda and it seems almost impossible to get a true bearing on the reality of the situation.

Statistically immigrants are overrepresented in rape numbers because they are overrepresented in the population of young men who are the most common committers of rape..

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Statistically immigrants are overrepresented in rape numbers because they are overrepresented in the population of young men who are the most common committers of rape..

I find this kind of talk misleading, you are stating this as fact when in reality all you can say at best is perhaps this is a factor and in which case I would agree with you, perhaps it is.

 CptJake wrote:
If groping is an issue, give each potential victim a can of pepper spray and/or a stun gun and allow them to use it.

The "Hey, your eyes are burning like the surface of the sun because you assaulted me" conversation ought to work better than the conversation started by the bracelets, and any language barrier won't get in the way of the lesson taught by pain.

Handing out weapons at a festival strikes me as unwise. I understand the impulse but there would absolutely be other consequences even beyond the fact that every weapon you carry can potentially be turned against you. "Each potential victim" means every woman and that is a lot of stun guns. It would be very difficult to keep track of where they go and which uses they are put to.