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 Future War Cultist wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
A lot of the time when these things happen, people like you come out of the woodwork

With 17,000 posts, I didn't think I was hiding in the woodwork.

Why don't you stop deflecting and answer the question?

What was the question - what should Germany do about what happened today? I don't know, since I don't yet know the details for sure. Usually these breaking stories have tons os things in them that are not true, and you don't know for sure for a day or so.

Additionally, I don't live in Germany, so I can't really speak intelligently about their culture or challenges. I can opine on what I think the US should do about extremist terrorist attacks but that might be totally off topic until we know what happened and why.

What we are doing is actually working. The reason why there are more attacks now is that prior to this ISIS was busy nation building and running their own little country. We are taking that away from them, they are getting less relevant as a caliphate every day, and they are lashing out in frustration screaming "look at us you idiots, we are still relevant, join us and fear us" as they are dying.

Stop helping them by eating up their bs.

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
A lot of the time when these things happen, people like you come out of the woodwork

With 17,000 posts, I didn't think I was hiding in the woodwork.

Why don't you stop deflecting and answer the question?

@ Gordon Shumway

I noticed you said anti immigration skin head neo nazi first. Very telling.

Is someone with German-Iranian nationality (and according to the pictures taken, a full head of hair) likely to be an anti immigration skin head neo nazi?

I dunno, are they likely to be from Kansas? Seems to fit the pattern of Kansans. Or North Dakotans. Or South Dakotans. Oh god, you can't trust anyone!

@ AlmightyWalrus

For starters, accept that there is a serious issue with Islam's teachings.

And that is all I'm going to say, because I'm seriously not going to recieve a visit from the police over this like so many others in this fethed up country.

@ Ouze

The question was should all of the west just learn to live with terrorism because doing something (anything) about it is rascist/xenophobic/additional PC load o'bollocks word?

 Future War Cultist wrote:
@ AlmightyWalrus

For starters, accept that there is a serious issue with Islam's teachings.

And that is all I'm going to say, because I'm seriously not going to recieve a visit from the police over this like so many others in this fethed up country.

@ Ouze

The question was should all of the west just learn to live with terrorism because doing something (anything) about it is rascist/xenophobic/additional PC load o'bollocks word?

What paranoid BS. Yeah there are some serious problems with Islam, as there are with Hinduism, and Christianity and Judaism and whatever other dogmatic religion you want to point the finger at.

@ Gordon Shumway

Yeah but you see it's not bs. I know it, and you know it but whatever reason you can't admit it.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
@ AlmightyWalrus

For starters, accept that there is a serious issue with Islam's teachings.

And that is all I'm going to say, because I'm seriously not going to recieve a visit from the police over this like so many others in this fethed up country.

@ Ouze

The question was should all of the west just learn to live with terrorism because doing something (anything) about it is rascist/xenophobic/additional PC load o'bollocks word?

What paranoid BS. Yeah there are some serious problems with Islam, as there are with Hinduism, and Christianity and Judaism and whatever other dogmatic religion you want to point the finger at.

all religions have their weirdos and extremists and they should not be combined as a whole, problem is when you are in a war with religious zealots, how do you fight that war when you do not know who the extremists are until they do something extreme?

Solution before we put boots on ground. It sucks. trust me. Only viable option is wall it off. Screen the refugee's 49 ways to Sunday and hope for the best prepare for the worst

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
@ AlmightyWalrus

For starters, accept that there is a serious issue with Islam's teachings.

And that is all I'm going to say, because I'm seriously not going to recieve a visit from the police over this like so many others in this fethed up country.

@ Ouze

The question was should all of the west just learn to live with terrorism because doing something (anything) about it is rascist/xenophobic/additional PC load o'bollocks word?

What paranoid BS. Yeah there are some serious problems with Islam, as there are with Hinduism, and Christianity and Judaism and whatever other dogmatic religion you want to point the finger at.

Y'know, its not BS at all. You don't see Christians or Jews or Hindus going into crowded places and blowing themselves up along with lots of innocent people, thinking that they are righteous as they do so. Ultimately every religion (even, I admit, Christianity) has its share of kooks, but Muslim extremists take it to a whole other level of kookiness (is that a word?). Unfortunately, Islam has some rather paranoid core teachings about how non-Muslims are evil and that it is the will of Allah that they be destroyed if they do not convert to Islam. Compare this to perhaps the most core tenet of Christianity, which is to "Love one another". My dad has a book about some of the problems of Islam, if I could remember the title and author I'd cite it here.

Now, I don't advocate glassing the Middle East or any crap like that, but we innocent people in the West have a right to defend ourselves against terrorism. All this PC horsegak is just making the terrorists' jobs easier.

Thank you for that ZergSmasher. You're exalted.

 Jihadin wrote:
Solution before we put boots on ground. It sucks. trust me. Only viable option is wall it off. Screen the refugee's 49 ways to Sunday and hope for the best prepare for the worst

which is essentially what Trump is saying.

welcome to the dark side.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
The question was should all of the west just learn to live with terrorism because doing something (anything) about it is rascist/xenophobic/additional PC load o'bollocks word?

First, you're working from a false premise. I'm not sure what "the west" should do as a whole, but the weird idea that we're too panicked with fear of being labelled not PC to do anything at all is just pants on head crazy. The US has dropped so much ordnance on ISIL that we are literally running out of bombs.

I think we have to work from the premise that you can't stop all terrorism, no matter what you do. It's too easy to rent a truck, or in the US, get a rifle. All we can do is deal with it intelligently, and that means accepting that a military campaign isn't going to always be the best tool. In fact, a ground campaign would be exactly what some of these parties want worst of all, because it would help their recruitment.

You have to deal with it slowly: pressure our foreign allies to carry their fair share of the fight, continue to hit their financial support, continue eliminating leadership when possible, try and secure the border to prevent attacks from outside parties, identify gaps in domestic law enforcement that let lone wolves get radicalized, recognize situations that we can't improve, like Syria, and avoid them, and foster moderate parties whenever possible. You can't stop them all, but you can definitely work hard to mitigate it to an almost nonexistent level, much like it is now in the US.

 Ouze wrote:
continue to hit their financial support, continue eliminating leadership when possible, try and secure the border to prevent attacks from outside parties, identify gaps in domestic law enforcement that let lone wolves get radicalized, recognize situations that we can't improve, like Syria, and avoid them, and foster moderate parties whenever possible. You can't stop them all, but you can definitely work hard to mitigate it to an almost nonexistent level, much like it is now in the US.

does that mean we won't be sending ISIL anymore money? also let the anger flow, feel the power of the dark side as all that you mentioned is not what Clinton wants to do.

I just read that the killer was Iranian. Isn't that unusual for a terrorist?

Asterios wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
continue to hit their financial support, continue eliminating leadership when possible, try and secure the border to prevent attacks from outside parties, identify gaps in domestic law enforcement that let lone wolves get radicalized, recognize situations that we can't improve, like Syria, and avoid them, and foster moderate parties whenever possible. You can't stop them all, but you can definitely work hard to mitigate it to an almost nonexistent level, much like it is now in the US.

does that mean we won't be sending ISIL anymore money? also let the anger flow, feel the power of the dark side as all that you mentioned is not what Clinton wants to do.

Do you think we didn't send money to the Saudis before Obama? Guys, my point is, pointing fingers on an online website is not going to solve any problems. Want to solve something? Join the armed forces. Join the peace corps. Join unicef. Join the Red Cross. Give blood or plasma. Just don't come online and start shouting about how horrible one religion or a group of people are. It does no good. It only emboldens those who think they can make a country or countries come to their knees with the division they can cause with their silly little guns and bombs.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
continue to hit their financial support, continue eliminating leadership when possible, try and secure the border to prevent attacks from outside parties, identify gaps in domestic law enforcement that let lone wolves get radicalized, recognize situations that we can't improve, like Syria, and avoid them, and foster moderate parties whenever possible. You can't stop them all, but you can definitely work hard to mitigate it to an almost nonexistent level, much like it is now in the US.

does that mean we won't be sending ISIL anymore money? also let the anger flow, feel the power of the dark side as all that you mentioned is not what Clinton wants to do.

Do you think we didn't send money to the Saudis before Obama? Guys, my point is, pointing fingers on an online website is not going to solve any problems. Want to solve something? Join the armed forces. Join the peace corps. Join unicef. Join the Red Cross. Give blood or plasma. Just don't come online and start shouting about how horrible one religion or a group of people are. It does no good. It only emboldens those who think they can make a country or countries come to their knees with the division they can cause with their silly little guns and bombs.

oh the US does not have a good track record when it comes to sending money to the middle east. ISIS is only the recent one.

Do we send them one of those giant game show checks made out to ISIS that they endorse and deposit at the local Islamic bank, or do we send them camels carrying small non-consecutive bills when we send them their foreign aid?

 Breotan wrote:
I just read that the killer was Iranian. Isn't that unusual for a terrorist?

I think so, yes.

Asterios wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Do we send them one of those giant game show checks made out to ISIS that they endorse and deposit at the local Islamic bank, or do we send them camels carrying small non-consecutive bills when we send them their foreign aid?

nah we gave them things like these:


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 Breotan wrote:
I just read that the killer was Iranian. Isn't that unusual for a terrorist?

still a terrorists whether Islamic or not is another question, a Terrorist is one who causes fear and such.

Ast... we did *give* those things... those were stolen.

I'm confused what you're driving at here...

 whembly wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Do we send them one of those giant game show checks made out to ISIS that they endorse and deposit at the local Islamic bank, or do we send them camels carrying small non-consecutive bills when we send them their foreign aid?

nah we gave them things like these:


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 Breotan wrote:
I just read that the killer was Iranian. Isn't that unusual for a terrorist?

still a terrorists whether Islamic or not is another question, a Terrorist is one who causes fear and such.

Ast... we did *give* those things... those were stolen.

I'm confused what you're driving at here...

actually we did give them to them by giving them to the Iraqis who left them behind when they fled. so yeah we gave them to them indirectly but still.

I hope they didn't get your old sniper rifle, would be a shame.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
You're more annoyed that someone is angry at yet another Islamic attack than at the attack itself?

Exactly that. If you look around you will see this type of reaction more than not.

It's more important to preach caution, inclusiveness, multiculturalism and love than talk about the real problems. (Radical Islam)

 SickSix wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
You're more annoyed that someone is angry at yet another Islamic attack than at the attack itself?

Exactly that. If you look around you will see this type of reaction more than not.

It's more important to preach caution, inclusiveness, multiculturalism and love than talk about the real problems. (Radical Islam)

And now you are going to pull the whole "I'm being repressed" card? Sorry, Monty Python, yes this is what we have come to.

 whembly wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Do we send them one of those giant game show checks made out to ISIS that they endorse and deposit at the local Islamic bank, or do we send them camels carrying small non-consecutive bills when we send them their foreign aid?

nah we gave them things like these:


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 Breotan wrote:
I just read that the killer was Iranian. Isn't that unusual for a terrorist?

still a terrorists whether Islamic or not is another question, a Terrorist is one who causes fear and such.

Ast... we did *give* those things... those were stolen.

I'm confused what you're driving at here...

Its cool, their nothing but rolling death traps anyways. Pack them up good an tight for airborne ordinance.

 d-usa wrote:
I hope they didn't get your old sniper rifle, would be a shame.

nah I know where it is and it is not there.

So here is some info from Reuters:

The gunman had dual citizenship: Iran & Germany
He used a pistol
He appears to have acted alone, despite earlier reports
Not known to the police
No motive is yet known.

 Ouze wrote:
So here is some info from Reuters:

The gunman had dual citizenship: Iran & Germany
He used a pistol
He appears to have acted alone, despite earlier reports
Not known to the police
No motive is yet known.

so still no clue if this is radical Islamic terrorism or just homegrown version of terrorism?

It will be labeled terrorism, even if it really wasn't. Just like Orlando.

 d-usa wrote:
It will be labeled terrorism, even if it really wasn't. Just like Orlando.

if you go by the US federal code it is:

The U.S. Code of Federal Regulations defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives"

but as to what his motives are is still a mystery.

I still don't feel confident of ultimate motive was behind the Orlando shooting. People said he was secretly gay and self-loathing over it, but the FBI says no. He said he supports ISIL, but the CIA says no.

My guess it a little of A, a little of B, mixed with a big dose of "crazyperson".