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nkelsch wrote:


. It is sad how an anti-immigration nationalism can commit mass murder and also get the immigrants to be blamed for their own deaths

Please don't forge such a silly narrative.
There is no anti-immigration nationalism involved here.

And in this latest bombing, it seems like he was a refugee trying to seek asylum who was being deported... And the Machette attack appeared to be a 'crime of passion'. None of the 3 seem to be Islamic terrorism but have roots in political issues going on in Germany right now.

Würzburg ( Train / pakistani vs hongkong chinese family ) is confirmed officially as terrorism.
Munich OEZ ( Iran vs the world ) is confirmed as amok / something like Erfurt and Winnenden ( and I am sure you can find events like this in the USA too )
Reutlingen ( Syrian vs coworker and everybody else ) as a "crime of passion"------ sorry I don't buy that much "passion" as a motive. First attack = yes , anything else = no .
Ansbach ( Syrian bomb ) is confirmed as terrorism.

The roots of 3 of 4 are not in Germany.
But yes we have the political issue of attempts to whitewash things , usually up there in the middle and north of our country. These events in the south will get fair treatment.

 1hadhq wrote:

nkelsch wrote:


. It is sad how an anti-immigration nationalism can commit mass murder and also get the immigrants to be blamed for their own deaths

Please don't forge such a silly narrative.
There is no anti-immigration nationalism involved here.

So all of the evidence which shows he was researching white supremacists, 'inspired by far-right terrorist Anders Breivik', targeted 'immigrants', That he wasn't religious and did not practice Islam, yelled negative things about immigrants during his shooting on camera, and claimed to be 'german born'.

And there is no anti-immigration involvement... ? Except for close to 100% of the evidence which said it was? Because you say it is Islam because 'reasons'?

Edit: My info was wrong. I apologize.

 CptJake wrote:
Of note, he did not target immigrants. That hurts the point you are trying to make quite a bit.

It seems more like he was sick of being treated as an immigrant. I think you are severely misconstruing the available info.

The majority of his victims have an immigrant background. It's unclear whether he specifically targeted them for that reason or for others, or if it was a coincidence. Some spokesman on the Munich police said immigrants are very prevalent in this area of town, so both are viable variants.

 CptJake wrote:
Of note, he did not target immigrants. That hurts the point you are trying to make quite a bit.

It seems more like he was sick of being treated as an immigrant. I think you are severely misconstruing the available info.

Well they keep promoting the ethnicity of the victims which do not seem to be german-born citizens and there reports of him targeting kids and immigrants. And Anders Breivik basically shows that he is on the 'anti-Islamic, anti-feminism' path if that is what believing in (since the date was an anniversary and the stuff at his residence showed that)

Being a secret Islamic terrorist or sympathizer which has virtually zero evidence at the moment where the issues with immigration, supremacy and mass shootings are all very documented so far.

 Witzkatz wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
Of note, he did not target immigrants. That hurts the point you are trying to make quite a bit.

It seems more like he was sick of being treated as an immigrant. I think you are severely misconstruing the available info.

The majority of his victims have an immigrant background. It's unclear whether he specifically targeted them for that reason or for others, or if it was a coincidence. Some spokesman on the Munich police said immigrants are very prevalent in this area of town, so both are viable variants.

Yep, I was misinformed and screwed up.

 insaniak wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
One witness says he specifically yelled he is German, while the other says that he yelled Allah Akbar. Why are people completely ignoring half of the eyewitness testimony?

Because the evidence so far makes it far more likely that he was a lone wolf obsessed with mass murderers rather than an Islamic extremist, which makes the former account more likely to be the correct one...?

The smart thing to do when faced with conflicting evidence would be to wait for more information. Take that as you will.

nkelsch wrote:

 1hadhq wrote:

nkelsch wrote:


. It is sad how an anti-immigration nationalism can commit mass murder and also get the immigrants to be blamed for their own deaths

Please don't forge such a silly narrative.
There is no anti-immigration nationalism involved here.

So all of the evidence which shows he was researching white supremacists, 'inspired by far-right terrorist Anders Breivik', targeted 'immigrants', That he wasn't religious and did not practice Islam, yelled negative things about immigrants during his shooting on camera, and claimed to be 'german born'.

And there is no anti-immigration involvement... ? Except for close to 100% of the evidence which said it was? Because you say it is Islam because 'reasons'?

And you evidence is?
Some early reports , maybe even translated ones ?

You do realize where his parents are from?
This isn't Persia vs the Ottomans.

Uhm, the German newspapers I'm reading are all reporting about his online behavior and talks with "friends", lots of that involving hate of Turks, especially. Spiegel.de has quite a bit on that.

It's not hard to imagine a second or third generation immigrant who is a native of the country to have anti-immigrant feelings.

"Feth these immigrants, they are the reason people give me gak for looking brown even though I am German!"

 d-usa wrote:
It's not hard to imagine a second or third generation immigrant who is a native of the country to have anti-immigrant feelings.

"Feth these immigrants, they are the reason people give me gak for looking brown even though I am German!"

I read (don't have time to find the links) he felt bullied at school by some Turks/Kosovar immigrants. I was wondering if it was because he came from a Shia background and Turks and Kosavars would generally by Sunni. Not that they were using religious arguments to bully but was thinking the typical dislike between the two could have been a factor as to why he was bullied (or at least perceived he was being bullied). Of course it could be any factor/combination of factors. Maybe he had big ears or his mama dressed him funny.

Or maybe he wasn't bullied at all.

Still a lot of info we really don't have yet.