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Witzkatz wrote: I shot a few magazines with a Glock .40 S&W and found it surprisingly hard to hit anything beyond 30 feet with some kind of accuracy.
For what it's worth, Glock 17 is 9mm, which is very mild recoil. My wife likes to shoot the 9, and she has small hands and less shooting experience. .40 S&W on the other hand, *I* find to be an unpleasant round to shoot. It would definitely not be my recommendation for a novice shooter* - it's typically found in lightweight guns which only amplifies it's already snappy recoil.
*or really any shooter, when the best handgun in the world already exists and it is a 1911 in .45 acp, amirite
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Witzkatz wrote: I shot a few magazines with a Glock .40 S&W and found it surprisingly hard to hit anything beyond 30 feet with some kind of accuracy.
For what it's worth, Glock 17 is 9mm, which is very mild recoil. My wife likes to shoot the 9, and she has small hands and less shooting experience. .40 S&W on the other hand, *I* find to be an unpleasant round to shoot. It would definitely not be my recommendation for a novice shooter* - it's typically found in lightweight guns which only amplifies it's already snappy recoil.
*or really any shooter, when the best handgun in the world already exists and it is a 1911 in .45 acp, amirite
Thanks for the input, I was under the impression 9mm and .40S&W might be somewhat comparable in recoil, but again, I don't have that much live-fire experience.
There is talk about even stricter gun control measures in German politics...though I highly doubt that will do any good about re-activated Slovakian theater props, to be frank.
Witzkatz wrote: I shot a few magazines with a Glock .40 S&W and found it surprisingly hard to hit anything beyond 30 feet with some kind of accuracy.
For what it's worth, Glock 17 is 9mm, which is very mild recoil. My wife likes to shoot the 9, and she has small hands and less shooting experience. .40 S&W on the other hand, *I* find to be an unpleasant round to shoot. It would definitely not be my recommendation for a novice shooter* - it's typically found in lightweight guns which only amplifies it's already snappy recoil.
*or really any shooter, when the best handgun in the world already exists and it is a 1911 in .45 acp, amirite
Thanks for the input, I was under the impression 9mm and .40S&W might be somewhat comparable in recoil, but again, I don't have that much live-fire experience.
Witzkatz wrote: I shot a few magazines with a Glock .40 S&W and found it surprisingly hard to hit anything beyond 30 feet with some kind of accuracy.
For what it's worth, Glock 17 is 9mm, which is very mild recoil. My wife likes to shoot the 9, and she has small hands and less shooting experience. .40 S&W on the other hand, *I* find to be an unpleasant round to shoot. It would definitely not be my recommendation for a novice shooter* - it's typically found in lightweight guns which only amplifies it's already snappy recoil.
*or really any shooter, when the best handgun in the world already exists and it is a 1911 in .45 acp, amirite
The .40 seems to be a round that came into favour after the FBI adopted it (and they just recently made the switch back to 9mm), and also after it found it's way into popular culture through rap music also. It has more recoil than the 9mm, marginally more ammo than the .45, but it does have a flatter trajectory making it better for longer ranged shots.
Here is a 10mm taking a longer range shot (the 10mm is similar to the .40, as it is the round the .40 was based off)
Going back to the 9mm this is what I managed at the range yesterday. 58 rounds from four magazines (2x 12 round, 2x 17 round), all shot from a 3.5 inch S&W9C. Rounds were a mix of Fiocchi and Federal 115 gram
21 foot
Anything about gun control is a distraction from useless politicians who want to be seen as "active". IMO.
The was no chance to aquire that gun legally.
The next step will be to point at the "violent games" and blame something our politicians don't understand. Like many older people, as one may have noticed at the official statements of the police today.
I'd hope more time lost with "hot air" does stop. The evening filled by media which reported they had nothing really to say but still said a lot, yes i think its a good idea our police is going to take a look at what was reported and that false alarms may have consequences.
As far as I know, the theme is now :
- Erfurt / Winnenden shootings.
And the latest report said he wrote a "manifest".
So I am going to wait and see.
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The truth of the matter is that there is very little you can do politically to prevent attacks like this. Our nations have already sacrificed so much personal liberty to combat organised terrorism - but to foresee and prevent a troubled individual conducting a random shooting would require totalitarianism.
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Sturmtruppen wrote: The truth of the matter is that there is very little you can do politically to prevent attacks like this. Our nations have already sacrificed so much personal liberty to combat organised terrorism - but to foresee and prevent a troubled individual conducting a random shooting would require totalitarianism.
And even then, even Hitler couldn't stop a bomb literally blowing up in his face.
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1hadhq wrote: Anything about gun control is a distraction from useless politicians who want to be seen as "active". IMO.
The was no chance to aquire that gun legally.
The next step will be to point at the "violent games" and blame something our politicians don't understand. Like many older people, as one may have noticed at the official statements of the police today.
I'd hope more time lost with "hot air" does stop. The evening filled by media which reported they had nothing really to say but still said a lot, yes i think its a good idea our police is going to take a look at what was reported and that false alarms may have consequences.
Yup, violent games are being blamed again (my guess is it won't be as big as it used to be a decade or two ago). The problem is that social services are slowly being eroded (including psychological help for people like him). Some politician even wanted to deploy the army in Munich and some want to hire more cops instead of looking in preventive measures and support for troubled people. :/
One witness says he specifically yelled he is German, while the other says that he yelled Allah Akbar. Why are people completely ignoring half of the eyewitness testimony?
NuggzTheNinja wrote: One witness says he specifically yelled he is German, while the other says that he yelled Allah Akbar. Why are people completely ignoring half of the eyewitness testimony?
because it helps them with their narrative they are trying to push. Remember when Obama said the Fort Hood shooting was Workplace violence LMAO.
Except there's video of him yelling about being German. Also, he was German. And also he extensively researched mass shootings.
But let's ignore all of that because some unverified account claims he shouted something because... Narrative and Obama!
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ScootyPuffJunior wrote: Except there's video of him yelling about being German. Also, he was German. And also he extensively researched mass shootings.
But let's ignore all of that because some unverified account claims he shouted something because... Narrative and Obama!
The video that doesn't show the shooting? that one? or one that I am not aware of? I am asking because there might be new evidence I dont know about because I don't follow every Muslim mass murder of westerners, if I did I would never be able to leave the computer.
As far as the unverified account? Well again, does the video show the shooting or events that led up to it? if the former then that is good enough for me, if the latter? well then that is basically useless since we don't know what he actually said DURING the attack.
I guess some guy on the Internet knows more than what German police have found and shared with the world. You should grab your red phone and call Merkel to share your extensive knowledge of the situation, I'm sure the German people would appreciate your deep insight.
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ScootyPuffJunior wrote: I guess some guy on the Internet knows more than what German police have found and shared with the world. You should grab your red phone and call Merkel to share your extensive knowledge of the situation, I'm sure the German people would appreciate your deep insight.
You're completely ignoring the fact that German government has been caught trying to suppress police reports in the past.
NuggzTheNinja wrote: One witness says he specifically yelled he is German, while the other says that he yelled Allah Akbar. Why are people completely ignoring half of the eyewitness testimony?
Because the evidence so far makes it far more likely that he was a lone wolf obsessed with mass murderers rather than an Islamic extremist, which makes the former account more likely to be the correct one...?
NuggzTheNinja wrote: One witness says he specifically yelled he is German, while the other says that he yelled Allah Akbar. Why are people completely ignoring half of the eyewitness testimony?
Because the evidence so far makes it far more likely that he was a lone wolf obsessed with mass murderers rather than an Islamic extremist, which makes the former account more likely to be the correct one...?
Doesn't lessen the value of the witnesses statement. Just because he was a nut job didn't mean he wasn't partially radicalized by his faith. pretty easy these days since we can't say Muslim/Islamic terrorism without someone getting #triggered
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ScootyPuffJunior wrote: I guess some guy on the Internet knows more than what German police have found and shared with the world. You should grab your red phone and call Merkel to share your extensive knowledge of the situation, I'm sure the German people would appreciate your deep insight.
Beyond your snarky remark do you have anything to add other then "I don't agree so...Snarky comment" ? I mean honestly I am not saying he was another shining Pillar of religion of peace, I am merely pointing out that there is a chance that he was in fact a proud member of the religion of peace.
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Doesn't lessen the value of the witnesses statement.
Sure it does. The absence of any other evidence of a religious link makes it far more likely that this particular witness either misheard or made it up.
Doesn't lessen the value of the witnesses statement.
Sure it does. The absence of any other evidence of a religious link makes it far more likely that this particular witness either misheard or made it up.
actually it makes it one witness statement vs another because as I pointed out before, unless that video was shot DURING the attack it is useless.
Is there even a single article mentioning his faith directly? Iranians are officially Muslim to 99,4%, but there might be a reason why his parents chose to move countries.
Witzkatz wrote: Is there even a single article mentioning his faith directly? Iranians are officially Muslim to 99,4%, but there might be a reason why his parents chose to move countries.
Nope. If anything his middle name being David might point at him being Jewish, as David is very uncommon spelling of the name for muslims (it should be Dawood).
And now Germany has suffered a suicide bombing from a rejected refugee, but thankfully only the bomber was killed. For the moment anyway. That's, what...three attacks in the space of a week?
There are going to be some serious repercussions somewhere done the line. I feel like it's only a matter of time.
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Future War Cultist wrote: And now Germany has suffered a suicide bombing from a rejected refugee, but thankfully only the bomber was killed. For the moment anyway. That's, what...three attacks in the space of a week?
There are going to be some serious repercussions somewhere done the line. I feel like it's only a matter of time.
Well, this is the second attack with strong links to islamic extremism that you're talking about - the suicide bomb and the axe attack in the train. The Munich shooter hasn't been linked in any way to islamic extremism so far, rather the opposite - anti-immigrant nationalism, if you read the articles about his online behavior.
Whether or not the machete-swinging guy can be linked to actual extremism or "just" a violent outlash has to be seen yet. I think newspapers are still reporting that he's in no condition to be interrogated yet.
Future War Cultist wrote: And now Germany has suffered a suicide bombing from a rejected refugee, but thankfully only the bomber was killed. For the moment anyway. That's, what...three attacks in the space of a week?
There are going to be some serious repercussions somewhere done the line. I feel like it's only a matter of time.
Four. The Axe attack by the Pakistani (who said he was an Afghan) on the train seem conveniently forgotten.
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We're not going down the "if only they had killed someone" alley, that's not appropriate. If you can't discuss this topic without resorting to that sort of rhetoric, then don't discuss this topic
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NuggzTheNinja wrote: One witness says he specifically yelled he is German, while the other says that he yelled Allah Akbar. Why are people completely ignoring half of the eyewitness testimony?
Because the evidence so far makes it far more likely that he was a lone wolf obsessed with mass murderers rather than an Islamic extremist, which makes the former account more likely to be the correct one...?
A conclusion borne out of intentionally ignoring half of the evidence. As SM said the video doesn't cover the time point being discussed.
What's next - the suicide bomber wasn't a Muslim terrorist, he was just obsessed with suicide bombings?
Oh... And guess what... You are the only one ignoring evidence. It is sad how an anti-immigration nationalism can commit mass murder and also get the immigrants to be blamed for their own deaths because of people like you trying to continue to promote false agendas in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
And in this latest bombing, it seems like he was a refugee trying to seek asylum who was being deported... And the Machette attack appeared to be a 'crime of passion'. None of the 3 seem to be Islamic terrorism but have roots in political issues going on in Germany right now.
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Spiegel.de is reporting that they found a video of the suicide bomber on his own smartphone where he talks about "getting revenge" for "Germany killing muslims", and he's referencing ISIS there, apparently. They found bomb-building tools and a comparably large amount of money in his single-room apartment in the refugee building where he was living until recently. Also there was a laptop and several phones with videos of islamistic acts of violence.
Apparently the German government sent him a notice to leave Germany in the next 30 days for Bulgaria, where he was under refugee status, after not being granted full asylum here. One of the reasons he wasn't "booted out" earlier was that physicians attested him poor mental health and psychic lability, which was apparently enough to not deem him travelworthy.
This one is textbook islamistic terrorism right now. The Munich guy, however, looks less and less like it.
LMAO.
