Star Trek: Discovery - Season 2 page 27

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**Yodhrin**

The uniform dosn't look awful, from what you can see, but it looks like they're sticking with the USS Pizza Slice design.

**Compel**

The wireframe image of the ship looks better than the one I saw in the teaser at least?

The fact that the 'wings' leading to the nacelles are tilted diagonally downwards makes it look more Star Trek-ey.

That and the wireframe model isn't brown...

**Yodhrin**

That's not the Discovery. It's not an Akira either, despite having the wrong style of nacelles for the Discovery era ships, it seems to be some wierd evolution of the NX class? Which is daft, because there's already a design for that in the NX-refit which does a pretty decent job of bridging the TOS aesthetic with the really questionable NX design.

The wireframe seems to go in completely the other direction, doubling-down on the Akira-ripoff nature of the NX design - the nacelles are all wrong for this period & there's no distinct secondary hull I can see, plus by TOS times all the ships we know of had moved on to the smooth saucer like the Constitution rather than the bumpy NX style. ST:Axanar already did a really good TOS-era version of the "underslung" Starfleet design with the Ares class, this doesn't really compare, so hopefully it turns out to be just background nonsense or is specifically called out as a really really old design or somsuch.

And apparently the Trekyards guys are claiming that despite them putting the USS Pizza Slice concept art in the new teaser, the Discovery looks very different now as the design team have "iterated a lot" - but us plebs aren't allowed to see the new version yet, evidently.

**Yodhrin**

So it seems an extra on the Discovery set thought it would be a good idea to instagram a pic of a group of his fellows in full costume, referring to them as his "Klingon crew". The image was quickly deleted and he tried playing it down, and I really, really hope that's because he made a stupid mistake and hadn't read the script or something rather than because CBS is trying to contain the leak, because dear sweet potatoes, just look:

Even the shrapnel-faced wierdos from JJTrek look more like Klingons than these things.

Folk have put forward various possible explanations like they might be a Reman-style subspecies(that one I think will be less comforting than its advocates think given the reaction of a lot of people to Nemesis), or a conquered slave-race, or even ancient barbarian Klingons from eons ago abducted from their world and frozen in cryostasis by aliens then trapped within the event horizon of a black hole blah blah blah. And you know, they're trying to hard, but pretty much any of those theories would be better than them just deciding to redesign Klingons again for the sake of it.

**Thargrim**

I think they look cool, but yeah they are inconsistent with any prior version of klingons. Considering this is set pre TOS that is a bit concerning.

**Ensis Ferrae**

The one thing I have seen "confirmed" by others actually in the know on this subject, is that these are NOT Klingons.

IMHO, they look a bit more like another take on Reptilian Xindi to me.

And I know some of the folks on the FB feeds I follow have said the Klingon ridge disconnect between TOS and other series' was answered in the Augment Klingons episode, which I don't buy for a second.

Beyond that, the only things I've seen regarding Discovery, is that it is set around a "famous" incident that has been mentioned in other ST shows/movies/material, but never shown on screen before... which is.... vague.

**Xenomancers**

This looks so bad. Where is Enterprise F? Where is Riker on Titan? Why would anyone produce such crap when the potential for advancement of the NG timeline is waiting right there.

**angelofvengeance**

Xenomancers wrote:
This looks so bad. Where is Enterprise F? Where is Riker on Titan? Why would anyone produce such crap when the potential for advancement of the NG timeline is waiting right there.

Does DS9 not count as NG timeline then? That was set a short while after Picard got borgified wasn't it?

**Yodhrin**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
The one thing I have seen "confirmed" by others actually in the know on this subject, is that these are NOT Klingons.

IMHO, they look a bit more like another take on Reptilian Xindi to me.

And I know some of the folks on the FB feeds I follow have said the Klingon ridge disconnect between TOS and other series' was answered in the Augment Klingons episode, which I don't buy for a second.

Beyond that, the only things I've seen regarding Discovery, is that it is set around a "famous" incident that has been mentioned in other ST shows/movies/material, but never shown on screen before... which is.... vague.

Well they say that, but extras actually read the script so unless the guy was a complete moron or this is some ill-advised marketing stunt by CBS, the guy who read the script and just sat through hours of makeup for the part is probably more "in the know" than people on the internet. Also, there's some early concept art for the show specifically labelled as "Klingons" that looks a lot like the picture(but are even worse, having given them wierd three-finger aquatic webbed hands & feet or somesuch idiocy) I hope that's wrong, obviously, but CBS wore out all my goodwill with the ship design, the format change, and the half-arsed production so I'm fully into "(faintly)hope for the best but expect the worst" stage now.

The Augment arc did provide an explanation for the appearance change, and while it was a pretty obvious fudge it was probably the best they could do given the circumstances.

And just for the record, I'm not saying that the quality or design of these costumes & prosthetics are inherently bad, if these guys were a new race I'd be hyped to find out about them, they're just not Klingons, and they don't fit easily into what we know of the Klingons at this time in the Trek setting even post Augment-fudge. And you know, if this was a JJTrek thing, if they were spinning off some new reality to appeal to kids or mainstream audiences, sure, whatever, redesign away it'd suck but it would have a purpose. But CBS made a big thing about this being a Prime timeline show, about its proximity to TOS-era Trek, about it being a return to Trek for Trek fans(indeed that supposedly narrowed audience was their justification for sticking it on a paid online service rather than broadcasting normally) - you can't do that while substantially redesign important elements of the Prime setting and expect folk not to care.

**Breotan**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Beyond that, the only things I've seen regarding Discovery, is that it is set around a "famous" incident that has been mentioned in other ST shows/movies/material, but never shown on screen before... which is.... vague.

Axanar? The Romulan War?

angelofvengeance wrote:
Xenomancers wrote:
This looks so bad. Where is Enterprise F? Where is Riker on Titan? Why would anyone produce such crap when the potential for advancement of the NG timeline is waiting right there.

Does DS9 not count as NG timeline then? That was set a short while after Picard got borgified wasn't it?

DS9 has a few years overlap with TNG. I think Voyager came after TNG went off the air but it's a continuation of that continuity so the TNG era lasted at least 14 years on television.

**insaniak**

Yodhrin wrote:

The Augment arc did provide an explanation for the appearance change, and while it was a pretty obvious fudge it was probably the best they could do given the circumstances..

Meh... 'Trials and Tribble-ations' did a perfect job of covering it ("We don't discuss it with outsiders").

**Ensis Ferrae**

Yodhrin wrote:
The Augment arc did provide an explanation for the appearance change, and while it was a pretty obvious fudge it was probably the best they could do given the circumstances.

Lol, I think this is honestly one place where I think a bit of honesty would go miles: just fething say "we were a low budget tv show back then, and it's what we did... deal with it" I don't buy the augment arc story one bit. It's literally too corny for me.

Breotan wrote:
Axanar? The Romulan War?

DS9 has a few years overlap with TNG. I think Voyager came after TNG went off the air but it's a continuation of that continuity so the TNG era lasted at least 14 years on television.

I have no idea if it's either Axanar or Romulan War (though, isn't Romulan War shortly after ST:E?? From page 1, it looks like this show is initially supposed to be set around 10 years prior to Kirk's first 5 year mission.... Although, an Axanar plot would certainly be a finger in the direction of the fan film.

AFAIK, DS9 happens after TNG, or at least after Picard returns from being Borg... And given the Dominion War arc, We know that Voyager is generally concurrent with DS9, right?

**MeanGreenStompa**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:

I have no idea if it's either Axanar or Romulan War (though, isn't Romulan War shortly after ST:E?? From page 1, it looks like this show is initially supposed to be set around 10 years prior to Kirk's first 5 year mission.... Although, an Axanar plot would certainly be a finger in the direction of the fan film.

AFAIK, DS9 happens after TNG, or at least after Picard returns from being Borg... And given the Dominion War arc, We know that Voyager is generally concurrent with DS9, right?

Had Ent been renewed for another season, we'd have gone into the commencement of the Romulan War, the preludes to it were already building up (bombing on Vulcan, drone incidents), but the viewing figures weren't up to the desired numbers so it got canned.

Personally I'm over the prequel obsession we keep seeing in scifi, it's like producers are terrified of advancing the timelines or trusting writers to produce intelligent sequels instead of lore abusing fanservice chock full of cameos of characters and races. (see yoda meeting chewbacca in 3rd SW prequel, augments being built by Noonien Soong, 'darth vader built my interpreter droid' etc etc).

**Ensis Ferrae**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Personally I'm over the prequel obsession we keep seeing in scifi, it's like producers are terrified of advancing the timelines or trusting writers to produce intelligent sequels instead of lore abusing fanservice chock full of cameos of characters and races. (see yoda meeting chewbacca in 3rd SW prequel, augments being built by Noonien Soong, 'darth vader built my interpreter droid' etc etc).

Agreed on that front. Like, is it really so much of a problem to advance Star Trek to a point where Janeway is dead (just so we don't have to deal with her awful gestures), and move things along a bit?? I'd honestly be happy with Enterprise F (not J though, feth that noise... if they did that, it may as well be Dr. Who)

I mean, just looking at Voyager, we could get Captain Paris, or Captain H. Kim or something.

ORRRR, an even wilder idea, we could have a series with a Romulan WB, or another alien race as main characters.

**Yodhrin**

You know, story aside, I'd actually love to see the Enterprise F from the Star Trek Online design competition become a proper canon ship. Not the Odyssey class from the game that was based on the winning design, although those are nice, something more like the original drawn concept with the fatter secondary hull and the functional split-neck setup.

For those who don't know it, the designer's original intent, which he expanded on after the competition was won and as per its terms PW took the design and went their own way with it, was for the two "necks" under the saucer to actually be a complete structure, with saucer separation occuring underneath the secondary hull and the "necks" forming a Warp Ring for the saucer section. There would also be a "Mission Pod" in the aft section where the shuttle bay is on a traditional design that would have a different purpose depending on the mission goal(ie it could be a deployable Escort for tactical assignments, or a small research station that could be left in orbit to observe a prewarp society etc).

Having basically three ships in one would have given the writers a lot of flexibility in the story structure, and such a ship would have been ideal for exploring the Gamma Quadrant a few years after the peace treaty with the Dominion had had a chance to bed-in. Would have been nice to see a proper episodic show about people exploring the galaxy again.

But yeah, we're still in the Reboot Era right now so tweaking or slightly expanding existing stuff is much more in vogue than making something new.

**reds8n**

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/02/13/star-trek-discovery-adds-three-starfleet-cast/

The cast continues to be revealed over at CBS All Access as production continues to finally roll along on Star Trek: Discovery. Terry Serpico, Maulik Pancholy and Sam Vartholomeos.

CBS announced that Serpico will play Admiral Anderson as part of Starfleet’s top brass. That would be a far cry from the actor’s first roll as a strip club owner on Donnie Brasco. His other roles include Purge: Election Year and The Inspectors.

The other two will be assigned directly to the series’ home ship, the Starship Shenzhou. Pancholy will be hanging out in the sickbay as the ship’s chief medical officer, Dr. Nambue. Pancholy is best known for his roles on 30 Rock and Weeds.

And then Vartholomeos will be at hand as a Ensign Wesley Crusher precursor, Ensign Connor. He’ll be playing a junior Academy officer assigned to their field tour on the Shenzhou. The actor’s prior credits include The Following and The Secret Life of Walter Mitty.

It would seem there are probably new casting announcements to be made shortly since there’s likely at least one less extra on set. Last week an actor named Andrew Mackay posted a photo on instagram with a caption of “Hanging out with my new Klingon crew on set of the new #startrek”. The post was quickly deleted, but not before fandom had already lept all over what appeared to be a radically changed Klingon character design. There’s not been a lot of word about what’s become of Mr. Mackay, but since studios aren’t fond of uncontrolled BTS photos, we expect that there’s been a call to central casting for a new Klingon. Preferably one without a working camera on their cell-phone.

The trio join a large cast which includes The Waking Dead star Sonequa Martin-Green, Doug Jones (Hellboy), Michelle Yeoh (Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon), Anthony Rapp (A Beautiful Mind), Shazad Latif (Penny Dreadful), Mary Chieffo (Shelby’s Vacation), Chris Obi (Ghost in the Shell), and James Frain (True Detective).

Discovery’s premiere date has been in a state of flux over the past six months. It was initially set to premiere in January, and then then been pushed to May, and it’s now pushed yet again without a specific next publicly stated release date. Discovery’s original showrunner Bryan Fuller stepped down last year, ostensibly to focus on American Gods. Gretchen Berg and Aaron Harberts have since stepped in to try to get the series out of drydock. Unfortunately their prior collaborations have resulted in less than the best of series with Reign, Revenge, GCB, and Off The Map.

**Pacific**

insaniak wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:

The Augment arc did provide an explanation for the appearance change, and while it was a pretty obvious fudge it was probably the best they could do given the circumstances..

Meh... 'Trials and Tribble-ations' did a perfect job of covering it ("We don't discuss it with outsiders").

100% agree, some things should just be left alone.

Same with the 40k addition of "Commander Dave Land" or whoever it was that designed the Land Raider in terms of a crap and unnecessary tidying of loose ends. fething awful

**Ensis Ferrae**

Pacific wrote:
insaniak wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:

The Augment arc did provide an explanation for the appearance change, and while it was a pretty obvious fudge it was probably the best they could do given the circumstances..

Meh... 'Trials and Tribble-ations' did a perfect job of covering it ("We don't discuss it with outsiders").

100% agree, some things should just be left alone.

Same with the 40k addition of "Commander Dave Land" or whoever it was that designed the Land Raider in terms of a crap and unnecessary tidying of loose ends. fething awful

Lol, I thought it was the archaeologist Arkhan Land who found the STC for it, so they named it after him

As for moving the plot forward, I agree with the possibility of using the design concept of the Odyssey, but I'm much more partial to the Endeavor Class based on the Odyssey design

**Yodhrin**

Ewww, no ta, not a fan of that version of the "shovel section" style. What I like about the concept-Odyssey is the way it draws together elements of its Ambassador, Galaxy, and Sovereign predecessors and puts a new spin on them.

I could get behind a show set on a Vesta class though, that's one good lookin' shovel

**Xenomancers**

angelofvengeance wrote:
Xenomancers wrote:
This looks so bad. Where is Enterprise F? Where is Riker on Titan? Why would anyone produce such crap when the potential for advancement of the NG timeline is waiting right there.

Does DS9 not count as NG timeline then? That was set a short while after Picard got borgified wasn't it?

Don't get me wrong - DS9 is my favorite series - it's just that NG timeline is so easy to pick up where it left off. Realistically the Ds9 and NG timeline are the same timeline anyways. I see no reason why Sisko couldn't be part of that series - or even janeway. It might not be Captain Picard but give me some new ships and new enemies. Don't go back even earlier because that is just not interesting.

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Yodhrin wrote:
You know, story aside, I'd actually love to see the Enterprise F from the Star Trek Online design competition become a proper canon ship. Not the Odyssey class from the game that was based on the winning design, although those are nice, something more like the original drawn concept with the fatter secondary hull and the functional split-neck setup.

For those who don't know it, the designer's original intent, which he expanded on after the competition was won and as per its terms PW took the design and went their own way with it, was for the two "necks" under the saucer to actually be a complete structure, with saucer separation occuring underneath the secondary hull and the "necks" forming a Warp Ring for the saucer section. There would also be a "Mission Pod" in the aft section where the shuttle bay is on a traditional design that would have a different purpose depending on the mission goal(ie it could be a deployable Escort for tactical assignments, or a small research station that could be left in orbit to observe a prewarp society etc).

Having basically three ships in one would have given the writers a lot of flexibility in the story structure, and such a ship would have been ideal for exploring the Gamma Quadrant a few years after the peace treaty with the Dominion had had a chance to bed-in. Would have been nice to see a proper episodic show about people exploring the galaxy again.

But yeah, we're still in the Reboot Era right now so tweaking or slightly expanding existing stuff is much more in vogue than making something new.

Not that I don't think a split neck design looks cool. I just think it would actually hurt structural integrity compared to the sovereign class. I like that the sovereign essentially has no neck and has been sleeked out compared to the Galaxy. I'd like to see the trend continue with the saucer section merging in the middle of the warp core section on the new explorer/super-dreadnought class. Startrek online interpretation is decent I think I just want something a little less bulky and more unusal.

**Breotan**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
AFAIK, DS9 happens after TNG, or at least after Picard returns from being Borg... And given the Dominion War arc, We know that Voyager is generally concurrent with DS9, right?

Excluding time travel, Enterprise was the earliest on the timeline in 2151. TOS was set about 110 years later and TNG/DS9/Voy was set about 100 years after that.

Of the last three, TNG started in 1987 and ran seven years. DS9 started during TNG's 6th season and was essentially a spin-off show. They moved O'Brien from TNG to DS9 in DS9's pilot episode and eventually even brought Worf over. Voyager started in DS9's 3rd season, after TNG went off the air and ran for seven years. No actors/characters were moved although the pilot episode had scenes on DS9. All three shows ran in the TNG "era" and were concurrent with each other and lasted around 14 years on TV with DS9 seasons overlapping TNG and Voyager.

Back on topic, there have been some more casting announcements. I'm noticing a definite lack of alpha males in this production.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/77260

AICN wrote:

Casting for three new members of Starfleet were announced Monday:
1) Terry Serpico will star as "Admiral Anderson,” a high-ranking official of Starfleet. Serpico’s credits include “Army Wives,” “Rescue Me” and “Sneaky Pete.”
2) Maulik Pancholy will star as "Dr. Nambue,” the chief medical officer of the Starship Shenzhou. Pancholy’s credits include “30 Rock” and “Weeds.”
3) Sam Vartholomeos will star as "Ensign Connor,” a junior officer fresh out of Starfleet Academy assigned to the Starship Shenzhou. His credits include “The Secret Life of Walter Mitty” and “The Following."
Previously cast:
* Sonequa Martin-Green (“The Walking Dead”) will play Starfleet Lieutenant Commander Rainsford, the lead character on “Star Trek Discovery.”
* James Frain (“Gotham” “24,” “True Blood,” “Agent Carter,” “True Detective”) will play Sarek, father of Spock.
* Michelle Yeoh (“Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon”) will play the Shenzhou’s Capt. Georgio.
* Doug Jones (“Falling Skies,” “The Strain”) will play Lt. Saru, a Starfleet science officer and a member of a species new to the Star Trek universe.
* Anthony Rapp (“Rent,” “The Knick”) will play Lt. Stamets, a gay astromycologist, fungus expert, and Starfleet science officer aboard the Starship Discovery.
* Chris Obi (“Roots,” “American Gods”) will play T'Kuvma, the Klingon leader seeking to unite the Klingon houses.
* Shazad Latif (“MI-5,” “Penny Dreadful”) will play Kol, the Commanding Officer of the Klingons and protégé of T’Kuvma.
* 6’0” Mary Chieffo will play L'Rell, the battle deck commander of the Klingon ship.

**Ensis Ferrae**

Breotan wrote:
Ensis Ferrae wrote:
AFAIK, DS9 happens after TNG, or at least after Picard returns from being Borg... And given the Dominion War arc, We know that Voyager is generally concurrent with DS9, right?

Excluding time travel, Enterprise was the earliest on the timeline in 2151. TOS was set about 110 years later and TNG/DS9/Voy was set about 100 years after that.

Of the last three, TNG started in 1987 and ran seven years. DS9 started during TNG's 6th season and was essentially a spin-off show. They moved O'Brien from TNG to DS9 in DS9's pilot episode and eventually even brought Worf over. Voyager started in DS9's 3rd season, after TNG went off the air and ran for seven years. No actors/characters were moved although the pilot episode had scenes on DS9. All three shows ran in the TNG "era" and were concurrent with each other and lasted around 14 years on TV with DS9 seasons overlapping TNG and Voyager.

I meant in universe... I knew which order they were aired in. However, I must thank you because I didn't know just how close together they were. 14 solid years is quite a long time for new ST to be on air, methinks that may have played some role (along with theme song and ultra-corny writing) in killing Enterprise early.

**Xenomancers**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Breotan wrote:
Ensis Ferrae wrote:
AFAIK, DS9 happens after TNG, or at least after Picard returns from being Borg... And given the Dominion War arc, We know that Voyager is generally concurrent with DS9, right?

Excluding time travel, Enterprise was the earliest on the timeline in 2151. TOS was set about 110 years later and TNG/DS9/Voy was set about 100 years after that.

Of the last three, TNG started in 1987 and ran seven years. DS9 started during TNG's 6th season and was essentially a spin-off show. They moved O'Brien from TNG to DS9 in DS9's pilot episode and eventually even brought Worf over. Voyager started in DS9's 3rd season, after TNG went off the air and ran for seven years. No actors/characters were moved although the pilot episode had scenes on DS9. All three shows ran in the TNG "era" and were concurrent with each other and lasted around 14 years on TV with DS9 seasons overlapping TNG and Voyager.

I meant in universe... I knew which order they were aired in. However, I must thank you because I didn't know just how close together they were. 14 solid years is quite a long time for new ST to be on air, methinks that may have played some role (along with theme song and ultra-corny writing) in killing Enterprise early.

Enterprise killed itself by being ultimately terrible. Terrible characters - terrible tech- terrible budget. Reminds me of sea-quest in space - though that is quite and unfair insult to sea-quest - which is at least 3 levels of magnitude better than Enterprise. Still - it's a common joke among trekies that Enterprise isn't even actually startrek. Discovery will likely be thought of the same way after it flops after 1-2 seasons.

**AndrewGPaul**

There's a reasonably common idea in sci fi of humanity sending the best and brightest into space to colonise the galaxy, leaving Earth to become a backwater populated by those without the money or gumption to leave.

Enterprise bravely decided to invert that, and apparently manned Starfleet with w crew of morons who thought the best way to forge an interstellar multicultural civilisation was to blunder around insulting people and breaking things.

**Breotan**

The TNG/DS9/Voy era was essentially Sesame Street for adults. Seriously. Go back and look how many episodes were about someone learning to cooperate. Worf, Quark, and Neelix were little more than muppet monsters.

**Yodhrin**

Breotan wrote:
The TNG/DS9/Voy era was essentially Sesame Street for adults. Seriously. Go back and look how many episodes were about someone learning to cooperate. Worf, Quark, and Neelix were little more than muppet monsters.

Pff, yeah, what rubes eh, who needs a positive story about cooperation or fellowship or science or tolerance, if it doesn't have big burly man-men in big clanky death-armour murdering half the galaxy or a leather-clad edgelord antihero reminding everyone that life is essentially meaningless and we're all going to die and be forgotten, who'd want to watch it?

**BobtheInquisitor**

Looking at the current political climate...maybe we need another fourteen years of Sesame Street for adults teaching people how to cooperate.

**LordofHats**

Xenomancers wrote:
Not that I don't think a split neck design looks cool. I just think it would actually hurt structural integrity compared to the sovereign class.

Well lets be fair. The structural integrity of all Federation ships is senseless. The closest they ever came to a sensible efficient design (within the confines of the "rules" established in Universe) are the Oberth and Miranda classes. And thats of course ignoring all the ships that break the rules used to justify the odd look of Federation ships, like Birds of Prey.

**KamikazeCanuck**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Looking at the current political climate...maybe we need another fourteen years of Sesame Street for adults teaching people how to cooperate.

Exactly. Humanity really does seem to have gone downhill since the end of Trek on TV.

**Xenomancers**

LordofHats wrote:
Xenomancers wrote:
Not that I don't think a split neck design looks cool. I just think it would actually hurt structural integrity compared to the sovereign class.

Well lets be fair. The structural integrity of all Federation ships is senseless. The closest they ever came to a sensible efficient design (within the confines of the "rules" established in Universe) are the Oberth and Miranda classes. And thats of course ignoring all the ships that break the rules used to justify the odd look of Federation ships, like Birds of Prey.

You make a good point - it always did bother me that federation ships are so terribly constructed and ships designed for spaceflight have wings. Though the newer DS9 and later designs seems to at least have some understanding of balance/center of gravy/ and structural integrity (at least to the point that an inertial dampner could smooth out any issue.)

I like the look of the Akira class, Saber class, Steamrunner class, and sovereign class (the first contact ships). The sovereign being a massive improvement over the galaxy in terms of balance - I'd like to see that kinda of look to continue to evolve into even more efficient shapes. How ships like the intrepid and galaxy ever made it past the draft phase just amazes me.