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2016/08/08 09:52:02
Subject: [40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
I loooove that SW Termi. Is he made from the Wolf Guard Terminator box with some DW upgrade sprue sprinkled on or is there some FW DNA in him as well? I really want to have that guy.
The actual DW kits are a bit underwhelming from a cursory glance on my phone, except for the Artemis clampack. So sick.
Looking for a Skaven Doomwheel banner to repair my Nurgle knights.
2016/08/08 09:56:30
Subject: [40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
Caederes wrote: Damn those Deathwatch are sick. May have to break the bank for these and slaughter some Xenos...mmm. I love the diversity of wargear and special rules, should help break up the monotony of Adeptus Astartes this and that.
Was it confirmed that the Guardian Spear knock-off used by the Watch Master has a Storm Bolter or something else entirely?
Sounds like what people said about GKs in 5th. To me deathwatch are just the 7th ed version of GKs. 5 man multi-unit making boxes (with not enough of the weapon you want) and lots of crazy wargear that makes SM's wargear a joke. Only thing missing is Draigo and a baby carriage walker.
Granted, I think the models are pretty cool but it's hard to not see the striking similarities between the two army designs.
Well both are space marines and military arm of Inquisition. One would EXPECT to see similarities...
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2016/08/08 10:32:03
Subject: [40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2016/08/08 10:32:09
Subject: Re:[40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
Caederes wrote: Damn those Deathwatch are sick. May have to break the bank for these and slaughter some Xenos...mmm. I love the diversity of wargear and special rules, should help break up the monotony of Adeptus Astartes this and that.
Was it confirmed that the Guardian Spear knock-off used by the Watch Master has a Storm Bolter or something else entirely?
Sounds like what people said about GKs in 5th. To me deathwatch are just the 7th ed version of GKs. 5 man multi-unit making boxes (with not enough of the weapon you want) and lots of crazy wargear that makes SM's wargear a joke. Only thing missing is Draigo and a baby carriage walker.
Granted, I think the models are pretty cool but it's hard to not see the striking similarities between the two army designs.
Well both are space marines and military arm of Inquisition. One would EXPECT to see similarities...
Except that it came later, GW basically did not know what to do with them so just added them in that codex. With the separation between inquisitors and their respective military wings in current codex releases. I hope they downplay the Inquistion seconding the Sisters.
I honestly think its only matter of time before they go. They could be cut quite easily and replaced by a new type of Witch hunting Marines, Possibly extremely specialized ones ( not that I want this but in GWs eyes marines sell, and sisters are a gamble)
2016/08/08 10:57:18
Subject: [40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
turk187 wrote: The one thing I really want is a Deathwatch Terminator box. since the only terminator melta-fist we have is the one from the kill team game we need some more stuff. But, the fact that terminator shoulders were included in the accessory sprue does not bode well. Also, all the deathwatch termies in the pics are just modified existing ones.
I wonder how Kill Team Cassius (the one from the Kill Team box) works out in points? Its more than 10 models including the chaplain and the librarian.
Maybe something for a future release? DW terminator box, DW techmarine and Apothecary, maybe specific models for Librarians and Chaplain.
Gamgee wrote: Opposite sides of the Inquisitorial coin.
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I would like to see Sisters at some point as well. However I would like to see them redesigned mildly from a fluff and model perspective to make them stand out more. As it was they were just female space marines with terrible lore. I've said this before but all the coolest most memorable sister units are not the power armored sisters but the crazy things like repentias and the walker thing. Basically the design elements that emphasize their insane zealotry and heretic hunting. Grey Knights cool as hell name that says a lot. Deathwatch badass as hell name that says a lot. Sisters Of Battle.... ? Like some women who fight... okay. It's comparable to naming a space marine chapter Brothers who Fight chapter. Like duh. Want your generic brand everything to go with that? Nothing puts me to sleep more than just hearing the name Sisters of Battle just due to how nondescript it is.
Sisters would be best I think to reboot with a smaller codex, like the size of this new Deathwing release.
Agreed on the distinctiveness front. I'd actually wonder what would happen if they made them less "T3 space marines" and more a solid blend of Scions and Marines- Remove all the Dominions/Retributors/ units that are just stock sisters with more special/heavy weapons. Make all the power armored sisters into essectially Deathwatch veterans/celestians with power armor and full access to special and CCW, and large amount of heavy weapons, and move them into elite. Make a cheaper 8/9 point, carapace armored unit of sisters into the new troop slot. But that is getting way off topic and best for another thread.,
Quickly I'll say this: No thanks. I want to collect Sisters of Battle not "Chimeltavet Guard With One Power Armoured Elite Unit". You want to talk about adding some mental Blanchian stuff from the Ecclesiarchy? Sure, on board with that, but not if the price is essentially throwing away the faction as-is.
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2016/08/08 11:34:16
Subject: [40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
Sounds like what people said about GKs in 5th. To me deathwatch are just the 7th ed version of GKs. 5 man multi-unit making boxes (with not enough of the weapon you want) and lots of crazy wargear that makes SM's wargear a joke. Only thing missing is Draigo and a baby carriage walker.
Granted, I think the models are pretty cool but it's hard to not see the striking similarities between the two army designs.
A lot of that is just the limits of manufacturing and shelf space and a need to hedge bets on a new product.
I mean every army pretty much starts out as SUPER ELITE wiht a limited number of sculpts and vehicles and then gets fleshed out as time goes by. Necrons started out with 3 or 4 units and the poor warrior over time got dropped from T5 2+ save to T4, 4+ as ever more elite Necrons appeared.
SM chapters especially usually only got a few special characters and some metal shoulder pads. It's only recently that they're getting their own tac squads and stuff.
So nothing new under the sun.
Someday the ultra elite forces of Codex-Enslavers will plow through 20 man squads of 10 point Death Watch Marines.
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2016/08/08 12:00:53
Subject: [40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
Nice try GW, but I already own that model. Way bigger too!
Nice throwback though, made me laugh . Mine was painted as a black Iron Hand with half his head replaced by bionics.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2016/08/08 12:47:54
Subject: Re:[40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
angelofvengeance wrote: @Hybrid: Yes, the metal one is bigger, but the plastic one won't need bits gluing back on
Never happened to my metal one either. The trick is to literally never use it ever!
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2016/08/08 12:54:37
Subject: [40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
SNAAAAKE wrote: So Deathwatch are finally becoming a faction in their own right! Yes!
By the looks of it, Librarians, Chaplains, Terminators and Dreadnoughts are all to come in Deathwatch flavours - Tasty.
No. You'll be able to use the upgrade sprue (10 power armoured pads, 2 terminator pads, 3 vehicle icons), your paint brushes and any bits you might have lying around to turn existing character, terminator and dreadnought kits into Deathwatch versions.
SNAAAAKE wrote: So Deathwatch are finally becoming a faction in their own right! Yes!
By the looks of it, Librarians, Chaplains, Terminators and Dreadnoughts are all to come in Deathwatch flavours - Tasty.
No. You'll be able to use the upgrade sprue (10 power armoured pads, 2 terminator pads, 3 vehicle icons), your paint brushes and any bits you might have lying around to turn existing character, terminator and dreadnought kits into Deathwatch versions.
I think there's room for a deathwatch terminator box given their wargear options.
However, the Terminators that we've seen (and Librarian, dread, vanguard) are all conversions using the upgrade sprue and veteran sprue.
The only other Deathwatch models we've seen are the grand master and the blackstar. Presumably they will be next weekend's pre-order.
2016/08/08 13:14:03
Subject: [40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
Woah, Age of the Emperor is really coming then. Which means SoB are going to get squatted for good, I guess.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2016/08/08 13:23:33
Subject: Re:[40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
Woah, Age of the Emperor is really coming then. Which means SoB are going to get squatted for good, I guess.
That's scaremongering of the highest order. Well done.
Maybe he thinks he's just surrendering to the inevitable?
But clearly Sad Panda and Atia are wrong, Age of Sigmar: 40,000 is coming!
Spoiler:
Surrendering because he's French, get it? >.>
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
2016/08/08 13:35:08
Subject: Re:[40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
Woah, Age of the Emperor is really coming then. Which means SoB are going to get squatted for good, I guess.
That's scaremongering of the highest order. Well done.
its not a step to far though, Tomb kings had an update about 18 months before they were caned, an army that hasn't had anything since 2003 and only had one tank plastic kit is gone.
I want to add Brets had sculpts done that have been basically tossed. Im not aware of anybody at GW wanting to do sisters.
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2016/08/08 13:52:31
Subject: [40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
It's not just in the campaign books we have seen things going wrong. In the "Talon of Horus" novel Iskander mentions the Astronomican flickering more and more, Terra losing contact with edges of the Imperium like Macharia.
2016/08/08 14:50:43
Subject: [40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
turk187 wrote: The one thing I really want is a Deathwatch Terminator box. since the only terminator melta-fist we have is the one from the kill team game we need some more stuff. But, the fact that terminator shoulders were included in the accessory sprue does not bode well. Also, all the deathwatch termies in the pics are just modified existing ones.
I wonder how Kill Team Cassius (the one from the Kill Team box) works out in points? Its more than 10 models including the chaplain and the librarian.
Maybe something for a future release? DW terminator box, DW techmarine and Apothecary, maybe specific models for Librarians and Chaplain.
Gamgee wrote: Opposite sides of the Inquisitorial coin.
Edit
I would like to see Sisters at some point as well. However I would like to see them redesigned mildly from a fluff and model perspective to make them stand out more. As it was they were just female space marines with terrible lore. I've said this before but all the coolest most memorable sister units are not the power armored sisters but the crazy things like repentias and the walker thing. Basically the design elements that emphasize their insane zealotry and heretic hunting. Grey Knights cool as hell name that says a lot. Deathwatch badass as hell name that says a lot. Sisters Of Battle.... ? Like some women who fight... okay. It's comparable to naming a space marine chapter Brothers who Fight chapter. Like duh. Want your generic brand everything to go with that? Nothing puts me to sleep more than just hearing the name Sisters of Battle just due to how nondescript it is.
Sisters would be best I think to reboot with a smaller codex, like the size of this new Deathwing release.
Agreed on the distinctiveness front. I'd actually wonder what would happen if they made them less "T3 space marines" and more a solid blend of Scions and Marines- Remove all the Dominions/Retributors/ units that are just stock sisters with more special/heavy weapons. Make all the power armored sisters into essectially Deathwatch veterans/celestians with power armor and full access to special and CCW, and large amount of heavy weapons, and move them into elite. Make a cheaper 8/9 point, carapace armored unit of sisters into the new troop slot. But that is getting way off topic and best for another thread.,
Introducing new SoBs as part of a Deathwatch Overkill or B@C board game --- maybe Sanctuary 101 vs. a Necron force---would be my vote
Back on topic, I'm still wrestling with whether or not I'm going to pick this up. Just moved to a gaming 'desert' with the nearest known gamers about 90 minutes away.
Cant justify buying Death Masque to have it sit unplayed.
Woah, Age of the Emperor is really coming then. Which means SoB are going to get squatted for good, I guess.
If they start AoE off with points as a new edition, they will get a lot less flack.
Even the ragiest WFB fans have been jumping on the AoS band wagon now that points are back.
Also, if they use the AoS scaled back rules (4 pages or so) model, I could actually see getting back into 40k.
Right now I won't touch the current edition.
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2016/08/08 15:08:45
Subject: Re:[40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
Deathwatch Codex, actual models AND an assortment of 2nd Founding shoulderpads? Wow! If someone told me I'd see Genestealer cult models and Deathwatch, I wouldn't have believed!
Honetly was disappointed there wasn't some kind of Genestealer Cult codex blending tyranids and Astra Militarum. I'm excited there's a Deathatch one.
I really hope Gdub thought the Deathwatch codex out, because if they are simply black armored space marines there's gonna be a lot of hostility around here...
2016/08/08 15:12:09
Subject: Re:[40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
Woah, Age of the Emperor is really coming then. Which means SoB are going to get squatted for good, I guess.
That's scaremongering of the highest order. Well done.
Well it apparently happened to some armies in WFB and given how much attention they gave to the army, it seems very, very plausible that they are just dying to find an occasion to ditch them. But, well, I didn't follow 40k news and rumor too much lately. Because none of them say anything about SoB, and that's the reason I play Warmachine and Frostgrave now.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2016/08/08 15:51:14
Subject: Re:[40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
Woah, Age of the Emperor is really coming then. Which means SoB are going to get squatted for good, I guess.
That's scaremongering of the highest order. Well done.
Well it apparently happened to some armies in WFB and given how much attention they gave to the army, it seems very, very plausible that they are just dying to find an occasion to ditch them. But, well, I didn't follow 40k news and rumor too much lately. Because none of them say anything about SoB, and that's the reason I play Warmachine and Frostgrave now.
Yup, only if there are boobs about.
Back on topic
I`d actualy be excited, if a rehash was about. 40k is just a massive clump of rules at the moment.
Something akin to 4th edition would be welcome, in my opinion anyway.
Cut the fat, make all the rules and codices up to date. I`m pretty sure, that it`s quite impossible to balance the game at all in it`s current state.
2016/08/08 15:57:17
Subject: Re:[40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
Phydox wrote: Deathwatch Codex, actual models AND an assortment of 2nd Founding shoulderpads? Wow! If someone told me I'd see Genestealer cult models and Deathwatch, I wouldn't have believed!
Honetly was disappointed there wasn't some kind of Genestealer Cult codex blending tyranids and Astra Militarum. I'm excited there's a Deathatch one.
I really hope Gdub thought the Deathwatch codex out, because if they are simply black armored space marines there's gonna be a lot of hostility around here...
We already know what the codex is like and what is in it, read the first page for details. They are certainly their own thing.
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2016/08/08 15:59:35
Subject: [40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP
. Mine was painted as a black Iron Hand with half his head replaced by bionics.
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