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 EnTyme wrote:
Not sure if this is the right place for this, but this was posted on the Warhammer 40k facebook page: http://www.freebootersnetwork.com/2016/08/05/40k-radio-special-report-codex-deathwatch/

Work Blocked of course. Thanks for posting it. I'll check it our later tonight.

Sigh missed opportunity gw. Oh well seems like my existing deathwatch army will still transfer nicely between dex's. My army is stern guard heavy lead by Kantor. So I feel safe partnering the two. Or sliding models back and forth between the two as needed.
Got to get me a flight of those new birds though

Doesn't one of the commander formations give all units FNP 6+? could be a nod towards the apothecaries that sometimes reach command ranks and could be a good opportunity for a fluffy modelling conversion

The lack of Techmarines and Apothecaries is quite bothersome. Seriously, if you were a Chapter and you seconded one of your Marines to the Deathwatch dies and they just leave his progenids to rot, wouldn't you be pissed? And SOMEONE has to maintain all their machinery. Perhaps if we complain enough they will put DW Apothecary and Techmarine datasheets in White Dwarf.

Can you slap an apothecary in any olé squad? as an upgrade?
No tech Marines? what about my bike mounted conversion beamer?

Other than the two glaring omissions model wise this has been a great release. I would like to see a line of DW vehicles. One each.

So one tank, one unique ground transport, and so on and so forth. They can be extremely heavy modifications to existing chassis or completely new designs (prefered) that suit the DW's highly mobile and elite style of warfare. The rhino is a great cheap transport but I would love to see something cooler for the DW.

This way we can see the high tech stuff they only have access too and bring some more flavor to such an elite force. I have a feeling the Corvus Blackstar is going to be a big hit.

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
Can you slap an apothecary in any olé squad? as an upgrade?
No tech Marines? what about my bike mounted conversion beamer?

Nope. But I wouldn't mind there being a Deathwatch Apothecary that is basically the same thing as the Sanguinary Priest. A 65 pt model that has the same stats as a Librarian as an HQ. And no, there are no Techmarines either.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
Can you slap an apothecary in any olé squad? as an upgrade?
No tech Marines? what about my bike mounted conversion beamer?

Nope. But I wouldn't mind there being a Deathwatch Apothecary that is basically the same thing as the Sanguinary Priest. A 65 pt model that has the same stats as a Librarian as an HQ. And no, there are no Techmarines either.

Hey now, they gotta have something to add in when they release the next edition

Well combined arms force it is. Least my dreads are in. Centurions are out right? And grav weapons? Or only gravcannons? the command rhino or landrader useable or more fun word wizardry?
Also dakka need a Deathwatch icon now

 hiveof_chimera wrote:
I have all the harlequin related formations and rules I could post if they haven't been already.

Did I miss it?

Can you direct me?

 Gamgee wrote:
Other than the two glaring omissions model wise this has been a great release. I would like to see a line of DW vehicles. One each.

So one tank, one unique ground transport, and so on and so forth. They can be extremely heavy modifications to existing chassis or completely new designs (prefered) that suit the DW's highly mobile and elite style of warfare. The rhino is a great cheap transport but I would love to see something cooler for the DW.

This way we can see the high tech stuff they only have access too and bring some more flavor to such an elite force. I have a feeling the Corvus Blackstar is going to be a big hit.

I will be getting 3 of the Blackstars myself. They are too cool to pass up.

 Gamgee wrote:
Other than the two glaring omissions model wise this has been a great release. I would like to see a line of DW vehicles. One each.

The issue isn't that there are no models, that's an inconvenience, the issue is there don't appear to even be rules for DW Techmarines & Apothecaries. I get that GW are so terrified third party manufacturers will "steal" their oh-so-original IP that they won't release rules without the Official(tm) GW(tm) Citadel(tm) Miniature(tm, c, rr) any more, but we're talking about Space Marines with a different shoulderpad here, not some shiny new centerpiece or infantry unit.

 whembly wrote:

 hiveof_chimera wrote:
I have all the harlequin related formations and rules I could post if they haven't been already.

Did I miss it?

Can you direct me?

Doesn't show up anywhere in thread, sorry guys I don't know how to put pics into a spoiler
But basically each unit gains a special rule:

1 unit of 6 harlies must use two harlies with kisses, two with caresses 1 of which also carries a neuro disrupters and the rest use CW, they gain the ability to run and charge. (27 melta-bombs worth of points)

1 unit of 6 harlies must use two neuro disrupters, of of which also carries a kiss, and an additional model uses a kiss, the troupe master uses a power sword and haywire grenades, the unit gains the ability to run and shoot. ( 31 melta-bombs)

The jester gains shrouded for the price of two melta bombs
The bike unit with hit and run (Zephyrglaives) costs 25 melta bombs
The void weaver is stuck with a prismatic cannon and costs 18 melta bombs

And if used together in a formation with Eldrad they all gain a 6+ chance to ignore wounds, this isn't a FNP and Eldrad gains EW.
And any unit can replace a troupe etc. in formations or masque detachment providing its the named troupe formation replacing troupes etc.

 conker249 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Other than the two glaring omissions model wise this has been a great release. I would like to see a line of DW vehicles. One each.

So one tank, one unique ground transport, and so on and so forth. They can be extremely heavy modifications to existing chassis or completely new designs (prefered) that suit the DW's highly mobile and elite style of warfare. The rhino is a great cheap transport but I would love to see something cooler for the DW.

This way we can see the high tech stuff they only have access too and bring some more flavor to such an elite force. I have a feeling the Corvus Blackstar is going to be a big hit.

I will be getting 3 of the Blackstars myself. They are too cool to pass up.

They certainly look that way, I hope that they still look as nifty when we get more angles on them.

 hiveof_chimera wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 hiveof_chimera wrote:
I have all the harlequin related formations and rules I could post if they haven't been already.

Did I miss it?

Can you direct me?

Doesn't show up anywhere in thread, sorry guys I don't know how to put pics into a spoiler

[spoiler][img]Put image url here[/img][/spoiler]

 Ghaz wrote:

 hiveof_chimera wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 hiveof_chimera wrote:
I have all the harlequin related formations and rules I could post if they haven't been already.

Did I miss it?

Can you direct me?

Doesn't show up anywhere in thread, sorry guys I don't know how to put pics into a spoiler

[spoiler][img]Put image url here[/img][/spoiler]

All good, just typed it out haha.

I'm a bit confused by the content, looking at the upgrade sprue I only see 5 dw shoulder pads, how is it that in the promo pics everyone has one if there's only 5 in the box?

The one thing I really want is a Deathwatch Terminator box. since the only terminator melta-fist we have is the one from the kill team game we need some more stuff. But, the fact that terminator shoulders were included in the accessory sprue does not bode well. Also, all the deathwatch termies in the pics are just modified existing ones.

I wonder how Kill Team Cassius (the one from the Kill Team box) works out in points? Its more than 10 models including the chaplain and the librarian.

 Crablezworth wrote:
I'm a bit confused by the content, looking at the upgrade sprue I only see 5 dw shoulder pads, how is it that in the promo pics everyone has one if there's only 5 in the box?

The upgrade sprue isn't pictured anywhere. Iuchiban (the guy leaking everything) said that it is more like the Ultramarine/Dark Angel/Blood Angel/Space Wolf Upgrade Kits that came out last year. 10 shoulder pauldrons and some other bits, in the case of the DW upgrade, the other bits are three Inquisition symbols for vehicles and two Terminator shoulder pauldrons.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
I'm a bit confused by the content, looking at the upgrade sprue I only see 5 dw shoulder pads, how is it that in the promo pics everyone has one if there's only 5 in the box?

The upgrade sprue isn't pictured anywhere. Iuchiban (the guy leaking everything) said that it is more like the Ultramarine/Dark Angel/Blood Angel/Space Wolf Upgrade Kits that came out last year. 10 shoulder pauldrons and some other bits, in the case of the DW upgrade, the other bits are three Inquisition symbols for vehicles and two Terminator shoulder pauldrons.

Ah thankyou good sir

I was worried too about the dreadnought cuz I didn't recall there being and inq symbol on the venerable sprue. Makes more sense now.

Damn those Deathwatch are sick. May have to break the bank for these and slaughter some Xenos...mmm. I love the diversity of wargear and special rules, should help break up the monotony of Adeptus Astartes this and that.
Was it confirmed that the Guardian Spear knock-off used by the Watch Master has a Storm Bolter or something else entirely?

Caederes wrote:
Damn those Deathwatch are sick. May have to break the bank for these and slaughter some Xenos...mmm. I love the diversity of wargear and special rules, should help break up the monotony of Adeptus Astartes this and that.
Was it confirmed that the Guardian Spear knock-off used by the Watch Master has a Storm Bolter or something else entirely?

Hopefully it can use special ammunition too. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bolter or bolt pistol.

Chikout wrote:
Listened to that interview. It was interstesting but it has me confused about GW's process. In both this and the silver tower interview it was mentioned that it was a miniatures first project. So how do they decide what miniatures to sculpt?

Somebody decides concept, artists draw, sculpters sculpt, rule makers make rules.

Don't think that goes too much off. Basically this time somebody decided "we should release some deathwatch", artists make suitable art from which miniature makers made models and then rule guys figured how to make codex out of stuff they were given.

Caederes wrote:
Damn those Deathwatch are sick. May have to break the bank for these and slaughter some Xenos...mmm. I love the diversity of wargear and special rules, should help break up the monotony of Adeptus Astartes this and that.
Was it confirmed that the Guardian Spear knock-off used by the Watch Master has a Storm Bolter or something else entirely?

Sounds like what people said about GKs in 5th. To me deathwatch are just the 7th ed version of GKs. 5 man multi-unit making boxes (with not enough of the weapon you want) and lots of crazy wargear that makes SM's wargear a joke. Only thing missing is Draigo and a baby carriage walker.

Granted, I think the models are pretty cool but it's hard to not see the striking similarities between the two army designs.

Tank_Dweller wrote:
Do you guys think those are Land Raider doors on those Blackstar gunships? If so that will make it nice and easy to use it with other armies.

Looks like Rhino doors. May have to pick some extras up to make rhinos and razorbacks with, maybe a Mk IIb Land Raider as well.

I have a ton of terminators already, but I may have to pick up a few more to make into DW termies. Maybe some singles from bits sites for a BA, DA, and SW terminator to mix in. Possibly see about tossing in a single Cataphractii as well.

We see one model with a necron blade, I'm tempted to add a few more xenos bits here and there as well- some Necron praetorian bits could be storm shields, power axes, and heavy thunder hammers. A couple of Tau or eldar weapons for plasma/melta/flamers. A back mounted tau fusion blaster could count as an aux melta gun on a terminator.

I would love for FW to make some bundles specifically for Deathwatch, say a set of 5-10 different terminator pads that they make.

 Kirasu wrote:

Caederes wrote:
Damn those Deathwatch are sick. May have to break the bank for these and slaughter some Xenos...mmm. I love the diversity of wargear and special rules, should help break up the monotony of Adeptus Astartes this and that.
Was it confirmed that the Guardian Spear knock-off used by the Watch Master has a Storm Bolter or something else entirely?

Sounds like what people said about GKs in 5th. To me deathwatch are just the 7th ed version of GKs. 5 man multi-unit making boxes (with not enough of the weapon you want) and lots of crazy wargear that makes SM's wargear a joke. Only thing missing is Draigo and a baby carriage walker.

Granted, I think the models are pretty cool but it's hard to not see the striking similarities between the two army designs.

That's fair enough and I feel the same way. I think Deathwatch will be their own entity though as they don't rely on psychic powers as a crutch but make up for it with even more specialised wargear selections, but they definitely are similar thematically.

Opposite sides of the Inquisitorial coin.

Edit
I would like to see Sisters at some point as well. However I would like to see them redesigned mildly from a fluff and model perspective to make them stand out more. As it was they were just female space marines with terrible lore. I've said this before but all the coolest most memorable sister units are not the power armored sisters but the crazy things like repentias and the walker thing. Basically the design elements that emphasize their insane zealotry and heretic hunting. Grey Knights cool as hell name that says a lot. Deathwatch badass as hell name that says a lot. Sisters Of Battle.... ? Like some women who fight... okay. It's comparable to naming a space marine chapter Brothers who Fight chapter. Like duh. Want your generic brand everything to go with that? Nothing puts me to sleep more than just hearing the name Sisters of Battle just due to how nondescript it is.

turk187 wrote:
The one thing I really want is a Deathwatch Terminator box. since the only terminator melta-fist we have is the one from the kill team game we need some more stuff. But, the fact that terminator shoulders were included in the accessory sprue does not bode well. Also, all the deathwatch termies in the pics are just modified existing ones.

I wonder how Kill Team Cassius (the one from the Kill Team box) works out in points? Its more than 10 models including the chaplain and the librarian.

Maybe something for a future release? DW terminator box, DW techmarine and Apothecary, maybe specific models for Librarians and Chaplain.

 Gamgee wrote:
Opposite sides of the Inquisitorial coin.

Edit
I would like to see Sisters at some point as well. However I would like to see them redesigned mildly from a fluff and model perspective to make them stand out more. As it was they were just female space marines with terrible lore. I've said this before but all the coolest most memorable sister units are not the power armored sisters but the crazy things like repentias and the walker thing. Basically the design elements that emphasize their insane zealotry and heretic hunting. Grey Knights cool as hell name that says a lot. Deathwatch badass as hell name that says a lot. Sisters Of Battle.... ? Like some women who fight... okay. It's comparable to naming a space marine chapter Brothers who Fight chapter. Like duh. Want your generic brand everything to go with that? Nothing puts me to sleep more than just hearing the name Sisters of Battle just due to how nondescript it is.

Sisters would be best I think to reboot with a smaller codex, like the size of this new Deathwing release.

Agreed on the distinctiveness front. I'd actually wonder what would happen if they made them less "T3 space marines" and more a solid blend of Scions and Marines- Remove all the Dominions/Retributors/ units that are just stock sisters with more special/heavy weapons. Make all the power armored sisters into essectially Deathwatch veterans/celestians with power armor and full access to special and CCW, and large amount of heavy weapons, and move them into elite. Make a cheaper 8/9 point, carapace armored unit of sisters into the new troop slot. But that is getting way off topic and best for another thread.,

 Crablezworth wrote:
I'm a bit confused by the content, looking at the upgrade sprue I only see 5 dw shoulder pads, how is it that in the promo pics everyone has one if there's only 5 in the box?

The Veteran Sprue has like 10 of them and then the upgrade
Sprue has 10 more.

The Veteran Sprue has 5 Deathwatch pads. It's the Upgrade Sprue that has the rest, and 2 Termy DW pads.