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 Crablezworth wrote:
Has anyone else noticed the sprue for the libby doesn't match the picture, like at all?








Either they just included the wrong sprue pic or they messed up big time. That sprue pic is for this libby:

Yeah, they included the wrong sprue pic. BA librarian has a separate left shoulder pad whereas the generic one has the pad molded on.

I built a BA libby recently, and there is no unconnected left shoulderpad.

Then I think you built the generic one, sprue pic clearly shows a separate left pad

 Selym wrote:
I built a BA libby recently, and there is no unconnected left shoulderpad.

Weird, the image on the GW website shows a separate pad with Crux Terminatus. The one which gets replaced by the deathwatch one...

The BA Libby kinda sucks for this because of the molded blood drops. Not difficult to fix though.

Mine came with an axe, but no crux terminatus...

Damn, shoulda taken a photo of the sprue and asked for a replacement...

There's a nice little Deathwatch audio drama up on Black Library btw. It's called The Last Guardian and is set on a dead Eldar Craftworld. Features Slaaneshi daemons, which is a nice change. This doesn't tie in with Death Masque, so no worries about spoilers.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The BA Libby kinda sucks for this because of the molded blood drops. Not difficult to fix though.

Well, it's fine as long as you dont mind him being a blood angel member of the deathwatch. And unless you just sort of hate blood angels for some reason it makes no material difference

 Bull0 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
The BA Libby kinda sucks for this because of the molded blood drops. Not difficult to fix though.

Well, it's fine as long as you dont mind him being a blood angel member of the deathwatch. And unless you just sort of hate blood angels for some reason it makes no material difference

And that is fine, but if you want a different Chapter, it is difficult.

So does the PA libby lend well to chopping off the left shoulder pad and slapping a DW pad on there? I am thinking there might be a rub with the backpack.

TheBattleSarge wrote:
So does the PA libby lend well to chopping off the left shoulder pad and slapping a DW pad on there? I am thinking there might be a rub with the backpack.

The rim on the Deathwatch pad looks like it would impact the backpack. Probably why they didn't resell the kit as a Deathwatch kit.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

TheBattleSarge wrote:
So does the PA libby lend well to chopping off the left shoulder pad and slapping a DW pad on there? I am thinking there might be a rub with the backpack.

The rim on the Deathwatch pad looks like it would impact the backpack. Probably why they didn't resell the kit as a Deathwatch kit.

I dunno. I thought that it looked like the PA Chaplain's Deathwatch pad would've been impacted the backpack as well...

So... I haven't been able to follow the thread for a few days, and I can't find confirmation in the first post, so I thought I'd ask:

Is this confirmed as a new starter box that'll be here for at least a year, or are we talking about a splash release that'll only see a few boxes reach each retailer before going extinct?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

TheBattleSarge wrote:
So does the PA libby lend well to chopping off the left shoulder pad and slapping a DW pad on there? I am thinking there might be a rub with the backpack.

The rim on the Deathwatch pad looks like it would impact the backpack. Probably why they didn't resell the kit as a Deathwatch kit.

Rubs a bit, but still looks alright. Just gluing it on can be... slidey.

 Selym wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

TheBattleSarge wrote:
So does the PA libby lend well to chopping off the left shoulder pad and slapping a DW pad on there? I am thinking there might be a rub with the backpack.

The rim on the Deathwatch pad looks like it would impact the backpack. Probably why they didn't resell the kit as a Deathwatch kit.

Rubs a bit, but still looks alright. Just gluing it on can be... slidey.

You've built one and it works? Good to know. I may get another Librarian for my DW by getting this kit.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
So... I haven't been able to follow the thread for a few days, and I can't find confirmation in the first post, so I thought I'd ask:

Is this confirmed as a new starter box that'll be here for at least a year, or are we talking about a splash release that'll only see a few boxes reach each retailer before going extinct?

it is not a new starter, but it is not a splash release either it be here some months like the shield of baal or stormclaw sets

Am I missing something....but none of the DW units have Obsec?????( whoops, forgot thats not a unit ability but conferred via detachment/formation)

I've been crunching numbers and I almost want to say that an imperial fist/crimson fist sternguard counts as army is slightly better than a pure real DW army. Just some of the interesting, versatile units ( 5 terminators with heavy flamers/assault cannons and auxiliary melta-fists) might make the DW army worth it....but then you can always take the DW as an allied detachment to get some of the goodies.

( and also, for a battleforged list, you have to take the Black Spear Formation to use the special kill teams?)

Take them in a CAD and you get obsec on troops

General Hobbs wrote:


Am I missing something....but none of the DW units have Obsec?????

I've been crunching numbers and I almost want to say that an imperial fist/crimson fist sternguard counts as army is slightly better than a pure real DW army. Just some of the interesting, versatile units ( 5 terminators with heavy flamers/assault cannons and auxiliary melta-fists) might make the DW army worth it....but then you can always take the DW as an allied detachment to get some of the goodies.

( and also, for a battleforged list, you have to take the Black Spear Formation to use the special kill teams?)

No, the KT formations can be used separately, unless you are of the opinion that C:SM cannot use its formations outside of Gladius.

I don't know why they keep advertising the Vanguard Veterans with jump packs since those aren't an option to buy nor are listed as wargear in the VV entry in the Codex.

( and VV are 6 points more than a normal VV sans jump pack? )

General Hobbs wrote:



I don't know why they keep advertising the Vanguard Veterans with jump packs since those aren't an option to buy nor are listed as wargear in the VV entry in the Codex.

( and VV are 6 points more than a normal VV sans jump pack? )

It's because they come with a jump pack as part of their wargear! No upgrade needed!!

I was confused at first, but the DW VV are listed as Jump Infantry.

I'd still argue the jump pack needs to be listed in their wargear line or they don't have it.

General Hobbs wrote:


I'd still argue the jump pack needs to be listed in their wargear line or they don't have it.

It doesn't matter, they're Jump Infantry.

They could have wings, or work out their legs so much they can jump really really far.

General Hobbs wrote:


I'd still argue the jump pack needs to be listed in their wargear line or they don't have it.

Well what jump pack provides that jump infgntry doesn't? Even if they didn't have jump pack they would be jumping around 12".

Codex: Deathwatch VV represent marines who stat out their abilityto run and jump so much that they can leap over houses.

General Hobbs wrote:


I'd still argue the jump pack needs to be listed in their wargear line or they don't have it.

Doesn't matter, you can model them without the jump pack, they are still Jump Infantry as per their rules.

Who's running the biggest discount on GW these days?

It's been a looooooong time since I've been tempted to get new stuff.

 Selym wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

TheBattleSarge wrote:
So does the PA libby lend well to chopping off the left shoulder pad and slapping a DW pad on there? I am thinking there might be a rub with the backpack.

The rim on the Deathwatch pad looks like it would impact the backpack. Probably why they didn't resell the kit as a Deathwatch kit.

Rubs a bit, but still looks alright. Just gluing it on can be... slidey.

Been thinking about doing this myself although I might trim the DW rim a bit on the back before gluing to see how it looks. As a bonus his right pad is gonna make for a decent Exorcists chapter badge somewhere else in the army. Also need to have a rummage in the bits box for any spare Terminator left arms. A bit of snipping at the elbow should make the vanilla Terminator Libby DW compatible.

tneva82 wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


I'd still argue the jump pack needs to be listed in their wargear line or they don't have it.

Well what jump pack provides that jump infgntry doesn't? Even if they didn't have jump pack they would be jumping around 12".

Literally nothing. The Jump Pack entry in the armoury says models with them gain the Jump type. {edit} It's not like the Blood Angels situation where the Jump Pack also gives Descent of Angels or anything {/edit}
So, yeah, Deathwatch Vanguard Vets don't have an option to pay for Jump packs because they're already Jump Infantry and paying points to add Jump again would not actually make them able to move 24" a turn.

Same way the Watch Master doesn't have Artificer Armour listed in his wargear; he's already got a 2+ save, what good does making it 2+ again do?

That said there is an anomaly in the Watch Master entry; the fluff for the Guardian Spear says it's modified to accept special issue ammo, and the model has the four extra mini-mags, but the datasheet doesn't seem to list Special Issue Ammunition anywhere…