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Please explain to me how the Gulf State refugee system works, why they aren't taking them, and why it is OUR moral obligation to do so. Another meaningless reply like this will send you straight to the ignore list.
To begin with, it works by not calling them "refugees"
Western media miscount the Syrian refugees because the primary data source, The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, does not count the refugees within the Gulf States. These states are not signatories to the Refugee Convention, their refugee relocations are not handled by the UNHCR.
There are 2 million to 3 million Syrians in the Gulf countries, many of whom arrived since the war began, but they are not considered refugees and they are not part of the UNHCR statistics. They are classified as “Arab brothers and sisters in distress” instead of refugees covered by UN treaties. Even though, according to UNHCR officials, only in Saudi Arabia, there were 500,000 Syrian refugees in September 2015.
The government of Saudi Arabia has stated that, since the Syrian conflict began in 2011, it has hosted 2.5 million refugees and has given permanent residency to hundreds of thousands of Syrians. According to Saudi officials, the kingdom „was keen to not deal with them as refugees, or to put them in refugee camps, to preserve their dignity and safety, and gave them complete freedom of movement.” Saudi Arabia also says it has given Syrians access to work, free medical care and education. Over 100,000 Syrian students were being educated in Saudi schools.
The United Arab Emirates also defended its response to the Syrian refugees crisis. According to a statement issued by the UAE government in September 2015, „the UAE has made it one of its foreign policy priorities to address this issue in a sustainable and humane fashion together with its regional and international partners”. The UAE government said it has provided residency permits to more than 100,000 Syrians who have entered the country since 2011, and that more than 242,000 Syrian nationals currently live in the country.
Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar are in the Top 10 countries giving aid to Syrian refugees. The four Gulf states have already given more than $2.3 billion – more than Germany, Canada, Japan, Australia, France and Italy combined.
The Gulf countries have donated to support the U.N. refugee agency’s efforts in countries neighbouring Syria. The UAE has funded refugee camps in Jordan and Iraq giving shelter to tens of thousands of Syrians, while Saudi Arabia and Qatar have donated funds, food, shelter and clothing to Syrians in Lebanon, Turkey and Jordan.
The United Arab Emirates has provided more than 1.98 billion dirham ($540 million) in humanitarian aid and development assistance since 2012 in response to the Syrian crisis. UAE had established a refugee camp in Jordan and one in northern Iraq, according to UAE government officials. The UAE-funded camp in Jordan, known as Mrajeeb Al Fhood, houses more than 4,000 refugees. UAE government believes that it is in the best long-term interest of the refugees to be close to their homes so it will be easier for them to return when the conflict ends.
In September 2015, the Saudi Press Agency announced that Saudi Arabia has provided around $700 million to aid agencies in Syria and has set up clinics at refugee camps.
However, according to the group, the country added roughly as many jobs due to foreign investment and reshoring as it lost to offshoring last year. Some of the largest U.S.-based companies, likely for both public relations and practical reasons, have begun building factories domestically for operations that would likely have gone overseas a few years ago
On Thursday, professional services firm Deloitte teamed up with the Council on Competitiveness to release its 2016 Global Manufacturing Competitiveness Index, showing that the United States is the second most competitive manufacturing economy after china. What's more, global manufacturing executives predict that by 2020, the United States will be the most competitive manufacturing economy in the world.
There are currently 12.3 million manufacturing workers in the United States, accounting for 9 percent of the workforce. Since the end of the Great Recession, manufacturers have hired more than 800,000 workers.
Over the next decade, nearly 3½ million manufacturing jobs will likely be needed, and 2 million are expected to go unfilled due to the skills gap. Moreover, according to a recent report, 80 percent of manufacturers report a moderate or serious shortage of qualified applicants for skilled and highly-skilled production positions.
Over the past 25 years, U.S.-manufactured goods exports have quadrupled. In 1990, for example, U.S. manufacturers exported $329.5 billion in goods. By 2000, that number had more than doubled to $708.0 billion. In 2014, it reached an all-time high, for the fifth consecutive year, of $1.403 trillion, despite slowing global growth. With that said, a number of economic headwinds have dampened export demand since then, with U.S.-manufactured goods exports down 6.1 percent in 2015 to $1.317 trillion
( For the anti-free traders:)
Nearly half of all manufactured goods exports went to nations that the U.S. has free trade agreements (FTAs) with. In 2015, manufacturers in the U.S. exported $634.6 billion in goods to FTA countries, or 48.2 percent of the total.
" It seems like only yesterday I was strafing so many of your homes. Here I am today, begging you not to make such good cars."
This "skills shortage" is interesting. Why is there a shortage of skills? Is it because so many manufacturers shut their plants, turfed their workers on to the streets (figuratively speaking) and thereby allowed the ongoing culture of skilled manufacturing to decay?
Where and how are workers, now unemployed or employed in different sectors, to get the new skills the returning manufacturers are looking for?
Kilkrazy wrote: This "skills shortage" is interesting. Why is there a shortage of skills? Is it because so many manufacturers shut their plants, turfed their workers on to the streets (figuratively speaking) and thereby allowed the ongoing culture of skilled manufacturing to decay?
Where and how are workers, now unemployed or employed in different sectors, to get the new skills the returning manufacturers are looking for?
No empirical data at my disposal here, but I think that it's probably a mix of some things:
- Old jobs left, old workers retired, new workers didn't get trained in those jobs
- Push towards university education, rather than vocational studies
- With a closure of previous manufacturing and focus on university education, a lack of establishing apprenticeship programs.
- As manufacturing relocated, workers didn't follow. Skilled workers are in previous areas of high manufacturing density, and new manufacturing jobs are created in areas without skilled workers.
I do feel that our culture tends to look down on blue collar workers compared to university educated people with "proper" jobs.
And more of a gut-feeling on my part here, but I think that a lot of the anti-union/anti-worker/pro-business policies may have also contributed. Unions are demonized, and many of these jobs are union jobs. Right-to-work have made it easier to get fired and harder to negotiate, which makes these jobs less attractive and which could have contributed to a decreased desire to pursue these occupations.
Kilkrazy wrote: This "skills shortage" is interesting. Why is there a shortage of skills? Is it because so many manufacturers shut their plants, turfed their workers on to the streets (figuratively speaking) and thereby allowed the ongoing culture of skilled manufacturing to decay?
Where and how are workers, now unemployed or employed in different sectors, to get the new skills the returning manufacturers are looking for?
No empirical data at my disposal here, but I think that it's probably a mix of some things:
- Old jobs left, old workers retired, new workers didn't get trained in those jobs
- Push towards university education, rather than vocational studies
- With a closure of previous manufacturing and focus on university education, a lack of establishing apprenticeship programs.
- As manufacturing relocated, workers didn't follow. Skilled workers are in previous areas of high manufacturing density, and new manufacturing jobs are created in areas without skilled workers.
Sounds much the same as the UK. Employers saying they need skilled workers, that they just can't find the right people, but point blank refusing to train people. I would have been much better off doing an apprenticeship than going to university, but that option just did not exist in the 80's and 90's. It was university or nothing. No option for someone like me who is intelligent, motivated but not someone who learns well with pure theory and classroom type teaching. Unfortunatly though the people making policy now are all PPE and law graduates, people who do well in classroom style teaching, so when policy is made they can't understand that other people learn in diffrent ways, and their way is not always the best (This may just be me projecting anger )
I do feel that our culture tends to look down on blue collar workers compared to university educated people with "proper" jobs.
Just the concept of blue collar, and differentiating in that way, is part of the issue (not critising your use of the word, but the wider cultural view of it). It says that there are two diffrent bands of work, and that working in an office is more intellectual and valuable than doing practical work, and has an image that all people not in offices are factory line workers. I live close to an F1 factory. The people building the cars, doing things like CNC or carbon fiber moulding have very complex and demanding jobs, where as the office manager jobin my office is quite a low skilled job.
And more of a gut-feeling on my part here, but I think that a lot of the anti-union/anti-worker/pro-business policies may have also contributed. Unions are demonized, and many of these jobs are union jobs. Right-to-work have made it easier to get fired and harder to negotiate, which makes these jobs less attractive and which could have contributed to a decreased desire to pursue these occupations.
I think the concept of "union jobs" has not helped. From what I understand in some areas in the US unions do hold far to much power.
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insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
Always amusing/depressing to see the Christian right's determined attempts to try and World Net Daily et al into viable -- or even coherent sources.
on a lighter note :
at the very least you have an interesting few years ahead of you.
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We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Kilkrazy wrote: This "skills shortage" is interesting. Why is there a shortage of skills? Is it because so many manufacturers shut their plants, turfed their workers on to the streets (figuratively speaking) and thereby allowed the ongoing culture of skilled manufacturing to decay?
Where and how are workers, now unemployed or employed in different sectors, to get the new skills the returning manufacturers are looking for?
Back when I was in high school in the 90s, the push was to go to college, become a professional. Actual trade skills and vocational training were rarely available and even more rarely talked about as an option. And it's only gotten worse since then.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Contrary to being some crackpot lunatic fringe view, these are actually embraced by a significant portion of the GOP. I can't even begin to explain how many times I have heard otherwise sane people talking about Obama supporting terrorists, Clinton will take your guns so you will be defenseless when they bring in the Syrians, etc. It's frightening.
If there were not such a fissure in the Republican party, I would be terrified. As it is, at least some have realized that is has gone too far. The party of Lincoln cannot be the party of Trump.
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Frazzled wrote: Europe has been hit with a million Muslim refugees. Thats correct. The US? not hardly. However a million is a drop in the bucket to what we've taken in in total illegal immigrants and refugees.
I was listening to "On The Media", a radio show about how the media operates and ran across this bit about illegal immigration and its reporting.
interview with Princeton sociology professor Doug Massey,
"Illegal migration ended eight years ago and has been zero or negative since 2008, because migration is a young person's game. If you don't migrate between the ages of 15 and 30, you don't migrate at all, and the average age in Mexico is now 28 years old."
* "What we did, starting in the mid-1980s was to ramp up border enforcement and really militarize the border between Mexico and the United States. And this drove up the costs and the risks of border crossing to a point where people decided they weren’t going to cross the border anymore, and they did this by staying put in the United States, once they’d made it in, rather than circulating back and forth as they had been."
* "In the 1990s, we were spending 3 to 4 billion dollars a year and we doubled the net rate of undocumented population growth."
If you follow the link you can hear the audio and read more fun details. The information presented in the full interview was eye-opening to me.
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Kilkrazy wrote: This "skills shortage" is interesting. Why is there a shortage of skills? Is it because so many manufacturers shut their plants, turfed their workers on to the streets (figuratively speaking) and thereby allowed the ongoing culture of skilled manufacturing to decay?
Where and how are workers, now unemployed or employed in different sectors, to get the new skills the returning manufacturers are looking for?
It's more like the type of skills required has changed. It used to be that you needed skilled tradesmen like machinists for manufacturing. Now all that work is done my computer controlled machines. There's work still available for the skilled craftsman but not as much as there used to be.
Now you mostly need less skilled workers to feed the machines, and higher skilled engineers to maintain and program the automated machines. You also need less people to run a shop and those you need are a mix of low and high skill. To provide for that high skill portion you need more than the old apprenticeship style of training could provide.
The skilled workers that people are complaining about not finding are the same people that have always been in short supply. Namely mechanical and software engineers.
It's basically a race between robots and Chinese workers to see who can take American jobs faster.
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Kilkrazy wrote: This "skills shortage" is interesting. Why is there a shortage of skills? Is it because so many manufacturers shut their plants, turfed their workers on to the streets (figuratively speaking) and thereby allowed the ongoing culture of skilled manufacturing to decay?
Where and how are workers, now unemployed or employed in different sectors, to get the new skills the returning manufacturers are looking for?
It's more like the type of skills required has changed. It used to be that you needed skilled tradesmen like machinists for manufacturing. Now all that work is done my computer controlled machines. There's work still available for the skilled craftsman but not as much as there used to be.
Now you mostly need less skilled workers to feed the machines, and higher skilled engineers to maintain and program the automated machines. You also need less people to run a shop and those you need are a mix of low and high skill. To provide for that high skill portion you need more than the old apprenticeship style of training could provide.
The skilled workers that people are complaining about not finding are the same people that have always been in short supply. Namely mechanical and software engineers.
It's basically a race between robots and Chinese workers to see who can take American jobs faster.
This is an excellent point. Being tangentially in the manufacturing field, I attend many conferences about the manufacturing process, and it is always amazing to me how few people can make so many things ont he line. The special training people need are about engineering and the process of manufacturing itself such as Six Sigma/Lean and similar type methodologies.
Even if we nuked China, the robots would still dominate the assembly line, and the jobs would not come back.
Also, I am sick of companies complaining about not having skilled workers, and then doing Feth all to actually train workers. Like usual, they are looking for a government hand-out and the government to do all the hard work for them. Bollocks! If you need a worker who can do X, then bloody train someone to do X.
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What happens is that these companies would rather hire foreigners on HB2(?) visas, than spend the resources to train american workers.
If we want to curtail this, disincentivize the HB2(?) visas somehow.
EDIT: where's ScootyPuffJunior to toot the trades industries? Guys, in the midwest, there's a massive shortage of welders of all types. I hardly ever see my welder buddy now as he essentially has his pick of jobs. (plus, he has way too many damned toys! )
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Yes, Lack of education and exposure to multiculturalism means people hate what is different and support repulsive ideologies that support their bigotry.
Lack of education? Lack of exposure to multiculturalism?
I've lived in multiple major US cities, been to over a dozen countries, am a combat veteran, and spent 3 years living in the Middle East. I have a PhD in a STEM field.
Insinuating that your opponents are stupid rednecks is very offensive. What are your qualifications?
That you're still have bigoted opinions after education and 'experience' means that you just were stubborn and held onto your pre-existing beliefs. I'm guessing you hid from the other cultures when you lived there, not embraced them. And sorry, being a combat veteran means you're more likely to have only seen the dark side and thought that that applied to all of them.
Do a Venn diagram of xenophobes and you will find a high amount of overlap with less education and less exposure to other cultures.
Clearly your average Bernie or Bust college student has a greater knowledge of the world, simply by virtue of holding a liberal arts degree.
In other news, "I don't agree, so you're a bigot!" has never been, and will never be, a viable argument. It's a shame that my real-world experience does not line up with your presumptive narrative for the world. But it is, at the end of the day, real-world experience, and therefore more valuable than a theoretical narrative.
Please explain to me how the Gulf State refugee system works, why they aren't taking them, and why it is OUR moral obligation to do so. Another meaningless reply like this will send you straight to the ignore list.
Isn't america supposed to be a christian nation, isn't helping those less fortunate a moral obligation?
Then there's the statue of liberty making a promise to the world,
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore."
#teardownthestatue
How can anyone claim to be a first world country when they keep comparing themselves and aspiring to be a 3rd world country?
It's not surprising that you don't want muslim refugees, when you don't even want more christians in your country. The nation founded on christian values wants to build a huge wall to keep christians out. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
So the sovereignty of Gulf state Islamic nations should be respected, but ours should not?
I'm not sure why you're bringing up the religion of illegal immigrants from Mexico and South America. People have a problem with the fact that they have infiltrated the borders of a sovereign nation illegally, not with their religion.
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Frazzled wrote: Europe has been hit with a million Muslim refugees. Thats correct. The US? not hardly. However a million is a drop in the bucket to what we've taken in in total illegal immigrants and refugees.
I was listening to "On The Media", a radio show about how the media operates and ran across this bit about illegal immigration and its reporting.
interview with Princeton sociology professor Doug Massey,
"Illegal migration ended eight years ago and has been zero or negative since 2008, because migration is a young person's game. If you don't migrate between the ages of 15 and 30, you don't migrate at all, and the average age in Mexico is now 28 years old."
* "What we did, starting in the mid-1980s was to ramp up border enforcement and really militarize the border between Mexico and the United States. And this drove up the costs and the risks of border crossing to a point where people decided they weren’t going to cross the border anymore, and they did this by staying put in the United States, once they’d made it in, rather than circulating back and forth as they had been."
* "In the 1990s, we were spending 3 to 4 billion dollars a year and we doubled the net rate of undocumented population growth."
If you follow the link you can hear the audio and read more fun details. The information presented in the full interview was eye-opening to me.
Someone must have forgotten to tell my neighbors behind me with the chickens, the neighbors across the street and next door to them.
I still have memories of TBone discovering the chickens on the other side of the fence, his little tail going and barking like a tiny Las Vegas chain smoking lounge singer. He was literally drooling. Also remember when Rusty chased a rooster that had gotten over into the house. Black feathers everywhere!
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Yes, Lack of education and exposure to multiculturalism means people hate what is different and support repulsive ideologies that support their bigotry.
Lack of education? Lack of exposure to multiculturalism?
I've lived in multiple major US cities, been to over a dozen countries, am a combat veteran, and spent 3 years living in the Middle East. I have a PhD in a STEM field.
Insinuating that your opponents are stupid rednecks is very offensive. What are your qualifications?
That you're still have bigoted opinions after education and 'experience' means that you just were stubborn and held onto your pre-existing beliefs. I'm guessing you hid from the other cultures when you lived there, not embraced them. And sorry, being a combat veteran means you're more likely to have only seen the dark side and thought that that applied to all of them.
Do a Venn diagram of xenophobes and you will find a high amount of overlap with less education and less exposure to other cultures.
Clearly your average Bernie or Bust college student has a greater knowledge of the world, simply by virtue of holding a liberal arts degree.
In other news, "I don't agree, so you're a bigot!" has never been, and will never be, a viable argument. It's a shame that my real-world experience does not line up with your presumptive narrative for the world. But it is, at the end of the day, real-world experience, and therefore more valuable than a theoretical narrative.
Actually, your opinions are pretty much the straight up definition of bigotry. Claiming that all members of a religion are bad people...yep. that checks the box. You don't get to claim victimhood when you are called on an offensive comment.
And, quite frankly, the experiences you are claiming will give you a skewed view of people. If you were a combat soldier, the 1 guy trying to kill you would stick in your brain. The 20 just trying to live their lives and not bother anyone you just don-t notice, so you think the one is representative of the whole. It's human nature.
And yes, a libersl arts degree gives you a lot more exposure to foreign culture and ideas than a STEM degree. In the STEM area, there is only one correct answer. Everything is testable and predictable. This is not true when dealing with people in the real world...something that a non-STEM degree better prepares you for.
And yes, a libersl arts degree gives you a lot more exposure to foreign culture and ideas than a STEM degree. In the STEM area, there is only one correct answer. Everything is testable and predictable. This is not true when dealing with people in the real world...something that a non-STEM degree better prepares you for.
Thats just...cute. On the other hand the STEM graduate will be able to get something called...a job.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
And yes, a libersl arts degree gives you a lot more exposure to foreign culture and ideas than a STEM degree. In the STEM area, there is only one correct answer. Everything is testable and predictable. This is not true when dealing with people in the real world...something that a non-STEM degree better prepares you for.
Thats just...cute. On the other hand the STEM graduate will be able to get something called...a job.
Business degrees are non-STEM degrees as well. Those tend to get jobs as well
The point of a college education is also not to just 'get a job' but also to make you a better citizen and have a broader range of knowledge that you have a basis of understanding things. It teaches you how to think not what to think.
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And yes, a libersl arts degree gives you a lot more exposure to foreign culture and ideas than a STEM degree. In the STEM area, there is only one correct answer. Everything is testable and predictable. This is not true when dealing with people in the real world...something that a non-STEM degree better prepares you for.
Thats just...cute. On the other hand the STEM graduate will be able to get something called...a job.
People in STEM fields like to see an ordered rational world(I know, I am one). The problem is that the world is too complex and fungible to really quantify succinctly enough for many STEM people. The unknowns and shades of grey is hard to grasp for us sometimes. As a result I've seen many smart logical people believe in some really weird and wrong stuff cause they had to quantify some fuzzy thing into a simple solution to fit their perfect knowable world.
ISIS is actually pretty successful at recruiting people with STEM backgrounds because of this. They offer a very simple explanation for all that fuzzy stuff outside in the real world.
Chongara wrote: For example trump had strong public Ku Klux Klan endorsements, they love the guy! However I wouldn't go and say that his popularity with the KKK means much more than he's popular with the kind of person who joins the KKK.
As long as we're going to indict people based on who supports them...
Chongara wrote: For example trump had strong public Ku Klux Klan endorsements, they love the guy! However I wouldn't go and say that his popularity with the KKK means much more than he's popular with the kind of person who joins the KKK.
As long as we're going to indict people based on who supports them...
Because the father of a shooter who had nothing to do with it is the same as the KKK neo nazis and white supremacists
Chongara wrote: For example trump had strong public Ku Klux Klan endorsements, they love the guy! However I wouldn't go and say that his popularity with the KKK means much more than he's popular with the kind of person who joins the KKK.
As long as we're going to indict people based on who supports them...
Spoiler:
Because the father of a shooter who had nothing to do with it is the same as the KKK neo nazis and white supremacists
Spoken like someone who has not checked out this guy's beliefs.
CBS News wrote:The Orland gay club gunman's father has well-known anti-American views and is an ideological supporter of the Afghan Taliban.
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Chongara wrote: For example trump had strong public Ku Klux Klan endorsements, they love the guy! However I wouldn't go and say that his popularity with the KKK means much more than he's popular with the kind of person who joins the KKK.
As long as we're going to indict people based on who supports them...
Spoiler:
Because the father of a shooter who had nothing to do with it is the same as the KKK neo nazis and white supremacists
Spoken like someone who has not checked out this guy's beliefs.
CBS News wrote:The Orland gay club gunman's father has well-known anti-American views and is an ideological supporter of the Afghan Taliban.
Yeah, this guy is the "smoking gun" that links HRC to the NWO's plans to take away all your guns with a series of false flag mass shootings, so that you can't resist when UN troops force you to quarter a million Muslim immigrants in your home.
Or some such nonsense. I blocked my MiL's FB feed, so I'm not totally up to date on the latest in tin-hattery fashions.
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“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Well she can't do anything about it, unless she doesn't disavow it. Is the MSM going to continually ask when she's going to disavow it like they did trump with David Duke?
Doubtful.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: Well she can't do anything about it, unless she doesn't disavow it. Is the MSM going to continually ask when she's going to disavow it like they did trump with David Duke?
Doubtful.
Another false equivalency. The gunman's father is a nobody. Only reason you even know about him is because of his son shooting up a place. David Duke is a well-known public figure/politician. Plus the Trump campaign is i,n part, based on racism. The Clinton campaign is in no way based in supporting the Taliban, etc.
He's a Taliban supporter and father of a mass killer. He's worse thatn David Duke, who is also a nobody and who's greatest claim to fame has been on Geraldo. He didn't raise a murderer.
So when are you going to ask her to disavow a Taliban supporter? After all it fits with her campaign/Obama administration of freeing Gitmo detainees.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Are you SERIOUSLY arguing that they are in ANY way comparable?!?!?!? Are you so slaved to the idea that Clinton is evil that you have to dishonestly make stuff like this up?
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Frazzled wrote: He's a Taliban supporter and father of a mass killer. He's worse thatn David Duke, who is also a nobody and who's greatest claim to fame has been on Geraldo. He didn't raise a murderer.
So when are you going to ask her to disavow a Taliban supporter? After all it fits with her campaign/Obama administration of freeing Gitmo detainees.
Ostensibly when the father decides to try and run for public office as a Democrat the way David Duke is running for public office as a Republican.
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
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at the very least you have an interesting few years ahead of you.
