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And as the 2012 and 2016 presidential elections have shown that is a viable long term strategy for Republicans to influence the government and American people.
whembly wrote: So, climb down from that high horse boyo and realize that politics is more often a "bare knuckle fight" than "smoozing in backrooms with congac and cigars negotions".
Which is sad, really. Imagine how rich and powerful the USA could be if the politicians managed to see things from a USA perspective instead of "that other party proposed it so it must be bad". Not that you're the only country dealing with crap like this ofc. A sad byproduct of "real" democracy is everyone having a chance to run for office and voting. And deals are made too, letting extreme elements stay in the party as long as they bring in votes. Our so-called True Finns party has some really reasonable guys that want to improve things for the poor and elderly, but in order to collect votes they have to put up with a phalanx of anti-immigration and straight-up racist members. The amount of neo-nazi propaganda they've explained away as "humor" is frankly appalling.
whembly wrote: So, climb down from that high horse boyo and realize that politics is more often a "bare knuckle fight" than "smoozing in backrooms with congac and cigars negotions".
Nobody thinks it's not that. But that's not how it SHOULD be. Politics should be looking for doing best for country. Not what's best for person himself and to the damn with the country.
Bare knuckle fights are stupid. Anybody resorting to that is idiot. Since politics do that..
Mitch McConnell wrote:The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.
Biden wrote:“I spoke to seven different Republican Senators, who said, `Joe, I’m not going to be able to help you on anything,’ he recalls. His informants said McConnell had demanded unified resistance. “The way it was characterized to me was: `For the next two years, we can’t let you succeed in anything. That’s our ticket to coming back,’”
John Boehner wrote:“We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”
Jerry Lewis wrote:I’m sorry, but leadership tells us we can’t play
Just in case somebody thought the democrats could dangle a carrot in front of the GOP.
I mean when you've whipped your base into being so anti the other party, that even being seen talking to them is going to hurt you, no wonder you end up with Trump.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Just read a 9gag posts where Trump supporters, happy that he is "crushing the global establishment", are defending his "locker room talk" by arguing that he said "They let you do it" - arguing that this is obviously consent, and of course REAL men don't ask women for permission, because women don't like cowards.
The narrow-mindedness not to consider the concept that lots and lots of women might not immediately grab the pepper spray and go to town on a guy who might even be their employer or at least in a position of power over them...
Witzkatz wrote: Just read a 9gag posts where Trump supporters, happy that he is "crushing the global establishment", are defending his "locker room talk" by arguing that he said "They let you do it" - arguing that this is obviously consent, and of course REAL men don't ask women for permission, because women don't like cowards.
The narrow-mindedness not to consider the concept that lots and lots of women might not immediately grab the pepper spray and go to town on a guy who might even be their employer or at least in a position of power over them...
Many Trumpsters live in a ridiculous fantasy world where, if only the shackles of big government, sjw femnazi cucks, and political correctness were cast off, then they too could be rich, powerful alpha men.
Fun fact: If you need to tell others you're an "alpha", then you're probably not really an "alpha".
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Witzkatz wrote: Just read a 9gag posts where Trump supporters, happy that he is "crushing the global establishment", are defending his "locker room talk" by arguing that he said "They let you do it" - arguing that this is obviously consent, and of course REAL men don't ask women for permission, because women don't like cowards.
The narrow-mindedness not to consider the concept that lots and lots of women might not immediately grab the pepper spray and go to town on a guy who might even be their employer or at least in a position of power over them...
Many Trumpsters live in a ridiculous fantasy world where, if only the shackles of big government, sjw femnazi cucks, and political correctness were cast off, then they too could be rich, powerful alpha men.
Fun fact: If you need to tell others you're an "alpha", then you're probably not really an "alpha".
Refer to this scene:
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
Witzkatz wrote: Just read a 9gag posts where Trump supporters, happy that he is "crushing the global establishment", are defending his "locker room talk" by arguing that he said "They let you do it" - arguing that this is obviously consent, and of course REAL men don't ask women for permission, because women don't like cowards.
The narrow-mindedness not to consider the concept that lots and lots of women might not immediately grab the pepper spray and go to town on a guy who might even be their employer or at least in a position of power over them...
Many Trumpsters live in a ridiculous fantasy world where, if only the shackles of big government, sjw femnazi cucks, and political correctness were cast off, then they too could be rich, powerful alpha men.
Fun fact: If you need to tell others you're an "alpha", then you're probably not really an "alpha".
Refer to this scene:
Haha, so true.
Ever wondered how so many people can vote for the policies that consistently screw them over?
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Obama had Congress around his pinky from 2008 to 2010.
Sort of. Every 20 seconds the Republicans threatened to fillibuster anything he touched... just because. He tried playing nice, and thats how we ended up with the compromise shitshow of the ACA instead of forcefully using that majority to forge a more comprehensive and lasting reform.
I don't see how the GOP can get blamed for the ACA not being good enough. Sure the GOP didn't make any attempt to engage in the legislative process to make the ACA better but that's because they didn't get involved at all.
The House based the initial form of the ACA with a 220-215 vote with one Republican voting for it after the required 218 votes for passage was met and 39 Democrats voted against it.
The Senate based it's initial ACA legislation with a filibuster proof 60-39 vote that was strictly along party lines.
The Senate bill was then altered (primarily to appease Stupak and other pro life Democrats in the House) in regards to budgeting which allowed it to be passed by the Senate via reconciliation which meant that there was no way to filibuster the vote.
The Democrats drafted the ACA, voted to pass the ACA and did so without the Republicans ever having the means to prevent its passage or contributing to the legislative process.
I've never been a Republican and I'm not much of a fan of the party but all of the flaws of the ACA came from intraparty disputes by Democrats.
Mitch McConnell wrote:The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.
Biden wrote:“I spoke to seven different Republican Senators, who said, `Joe, I’m not going to be able to help you on anything,’ he recalls. His informants said McConnell had demanded unified resistance. “The way it was characterized to me was: `For the next two years, we can’t let you succeed in anything. That’s our ticket to coming back,’”
John Boehner wrote:“We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”
Jerry Lewis wrote:I’m sorry, but leadership tells us we can’t play
Just in case somebody thought the democrats could dangle a carrot in front of the GOP.
I mean when you've whipped your base into being so anti the other party, that even being seen talking to them is going to hurt you, no wonder you end up with Trump.
There were plenty of signs in recent years of a Trump like candidate coming for the GOP. We saw Boehner lose the speakership, Kantor lose his re-election, candidates like Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell (which were just crazier/unelectable versions of other "Tea Party" candidates like Cruz, Lee, Paul and Rubio). When Republican primary voters are openly turning their back on GOP candidates because they can't stand the "establishment" from their own party you know there's a lot of anger for a populist candidate, even one as odious as Cheeto Jesus, to tap into.
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d-usa wrote: And we are back to "your team" arguments.
I'm sorry to have made the mistake of engaging with you, learned my lesson.
..and you're saying that you don't engage in the ol' political team sport?
Nah, you have this urge to defend the honor of Obama and Clinton for some reason.
At least Obama and Clinton have honor to defend, and positions that are defendable.
No, they don't. They are both scum. And they are both bought and paid for.
Do yourself a favor, and don't drink the media-spun Kool-Aid.
The only thing I need to support this is to point out that the are CAREER POLITICIANS. And career politicians, regardless of their supposed ideological bent, can't be trusted. Politics has been often touted as the world's second oldest profession. I find that it's closer in nature to the first.
I agree that blaming the faults of ACA on the GOP isn't really accurate. Yes, it would likely have been better if they got engaged but that doesn't excuse mistakes made by the Democrats. What's important is that making mistakes in a bill is bad but excusable, even the Constitution has amendments after all. Taking the attitude of no cooperation no matter what is not.
I bet if someone asked Trump if he supports Canada's Weapon X program in light of recent vibranium shipments from Wakanda, he'll try to answer. Then ask him about the Sokovia Accords
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Galef wrote: I bet if someone asked Trump if he supports Canada's Weapon X program in light of recent vibranium shipments from Wakanda, be would answer.
Then ask him about the Sokovia Accords
How do you know about our Weapon X program?
Hang on, stay in your home. Don't go outside for the next two to four minutes.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
The evidence points in that direction. Though, to be fair, there is nothing conclusive. Only that any obvious funds from his foundation, for anything relating to 9/11, didn't come until years later (with the exception of a fundraising dinner held by his now ex-wife in October 2001, and a pledge of ten grand made on the Howard Stern Show).
I'm inclined to believe that Mr. Toupee is BSing. But when it comes to having the crafty, silver tongue of an experienced politico, Trump is still a lightweight and amateur compared to most currently working in D.C.. The media focusing on his shenanigans/BS seems to pick up whenever Assange even so much as threatens to release the least little (alleged) dirt on Killary. That's why I have more respect for the "news" media in the U.K. and Western Europe. They are blatant in their political slant, and tend to wear their political leanings on their sleeves. In the States, the media, regardless of who they are, still hide behind the "big lies" of "journalistic integrity" (which has never existed in the history of any "news" venue) and "non-partisanship", when they are nothing more than propaganda venues for the political establishment and their cronies. It doesn't matter if it's Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc, etc,
So, pardon me while I continue to enjoy the circus. I'm gonna miss it in some ways after November. It's been a wild ride.
The evidence points in that direction. Though, to be fair, there is nothing conclusive. Only that any obvious funds from his foundation, for anything relating to 9/11, didn't come until years later (with the exception of a fundraising dinner held by his now ex-wife in October 2001, and a pledge of ten grand made on the Howard Stern Show).
I'm inclined to believe that Mr. Toupee is BSing. But when it comes to having the crafty, silver tongue of an experienced politico, Trump is still a lightweight and amateur compared to most currently working in D.C.. The media focusing on his shenanigans/BS seems to pick up whenever Assange even so much as threatens to release the least little (alleged) dirt on Killary. That's why I have more respect for the "news" media in the U.K. and Western Europe. They are blatant in their political slant, and tend to wear their political leanings on their sleeves. In the States, the media, regardless of who they are, still hide behind the "big lies" of "journalistic integrity" (which has never existed in the history of any "news" venue) and "non-partisanship", when they are nothing more than propaganda venues for the political establishment and their cronies. It doesn't matter if it's Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc, etc,
So, pardon me while I continue to enjoy the circus. I'm gonna miss it in some ways after November. It's been a wild ride.
But Fox News says it's "fair and balanced"! Ya know! ...and... and that means something coming from such a fair and balanced source!
The evidence points in that direction. Though, to be fair, there is nothing conclusive. Only that any obvious funds from his foundation, for anything relating to 9/11, didn't come until years later (with the exception of a fundraising dinner held by his now ex-wife in October 2001, and a pledge of ten grand made on the Howard Stern Show).
I'm inclined to believe that Mr. Toupee is BSing. But when it comes to having the crafty, silver tongue of an experienced politico, Trump is still a lightweight and amateur compared to most currently working in D.C.. The media focusing on his shenanigans/BS seems to pick up whenever Assange even so much as threatens to release the least little (alleged) dirt on Killary. That's why I have more respect for the "news" media in the U.K. and Western Europe. They are blatant in their political slant, and tend to wear their political leanings on their sleeves. In the States, the media, regardless of who they are, still hide behind the "big lies" of "journalistic integrity" (which has never existed in the history of any "news" venue) and "non-partisanship", when they are nothing more than propaganda venues for the political establishment and their cronies. It doesn't matter if it's Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc, etc,
So, pardon me while I continue to enjoy the circus. I'm gonna miss it in some ways after November. It's been a wild ride.
I doubt the ride will end, it will be like the brief pause at the top of the roller coaster before the big drop. While the Hillary is making her inaugural address, they'll start speculating on who's running in 2020. Fox will continue the smear attacks against hillary, even the R's that voted for her will denounce her in public and obstruct her at every turn. They'll throw their base under the bus to do so while their base cheers them on from under the bus. The circus never ends.
feeder wrote: Ever wondered how so many people can vote for the policies that consistently screw them over?
Honestly, I think the issue for at least some of the Trump voters is that no one's policies really seem to be helping them.
I've been thinking about my family and how some of them probably represent the kind of folks supporting Trump. One side was mostly all coal miners, but that's almost completely dried up around their small coal town, which is crumbling now. I'm sure they would have voted Democrat back in the day because of their UMW ties. But the coal jobs are gone now, and to them the Democratic party probably seems to care more about both the inner cities and college educated, urban/suburban voters than small town America. And what has the mainstream GOP and their tax cuts for the wealthiest ever done for their towns?
Enter Trump. At least he isn't ignoring them like everyone else, right? So they latched onto him. And while there's plenty of deplorable things about Trump and some of his supporters, do they ALL deserve to be called deplorable for gravitating to the one candidate who seems to understand their pain (as ridiculous as that may seem)? I'd probably resent Hillary like crazy for that if I was in their shoes. And I'd probably be fed up with the mainstream of both parties.
It's not really about returning to some past version of America -- I think they just want some opportunity and some sense of a future beyond watching their town fall apart.
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