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WrentheFaceless wrote: Oh man, if Texas goes a shade of blue or even purple, Fraz is going to think the end times is upon us and go into his wiener dog shaped bunker
Don't believe the hype, Frazz has been voting Democrat for years, yearns for the 2nd amendment to be repealed, and has a signed picture of Jimmy Carter in his living room.. Cut him open, he'll bleed blue
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I doubt Texas flips for this race, but it could happen in the next decade or so thanks to changing demographics.
The GOP badly needs a course correction -- and it will eventually happen -- but it's hard to see exactly who would be able to lead that charge right now. They need a charismatic, inspiring leader for the party, and they haven't had one of those since Reagan.
gorgon wrote: They need a charismatic, inspiring leader for the party, and they haven't had one of those since Reagan.
That leader needs to reach out to Latino voters, whom are generally conservative anyway. You don't have to offer a blanket amnesty to illegals, but you can offer an opportunity to speed up the immigration process.
Would you rather have 3,000,000 people here illegally, not paying taxes? Or 1,500,000 of them registered to vote, paying taxes and contributing to society?
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: You can bet your last dollar that the GOP will change the nomination rules to ensure that people like Donald Trump never again darken the convention hall of the Republican Party.
OH yea. I imagine they may have something like the supervoters or whatever they are called that the Democratic party has.
I was thinking more along the lines of the Stonecutters and a no Donald rule
In saying that though, if they stick by 'establishment' candidates and keep the likes of Trump out in future, that will only further annoy their ever diminishing base.
Difficult times ahead for the GOP.
Only if their base is limited to mouthbreathing crazies and post industrial jobless white males.
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WrentheFaceless wrote: Oh man, if Texas goes a shade of blue or even purple, Fraz is going to think the end times is upon us and go into his wiener dog shaped bunker
You should see all the wiener dogs in their tiny helmets and army fatigues. Not one step backwards!
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Let that sink in for a moment. If Texas goes blue, there will be a lot of GOP officials pooping themselves, as it's the largest conservative electoral bastion, and the republican counterweight to California. Obviously this year is an anomaly, but Texas has been trending lighter with demographics changes for a while now, just no one expected a shot at it quite this early...
Well, the demographics of Texas have been changing (along with Florida, Virginia, NC, and even Georgia) as both the minority and college educated populations rise.
Still, I'm not sure I buy the "Texas is in play" thing, for the same reason I don't buy all the people voting third party instead of Clinton: the luxury of your vote not being needed. Big chunks of both parties (and independents that reliably vote for one party) dislike their candidates, but when elections get close, their interest level increases. You see it in decreased support for Clinton in the Northeast, but increased support for her in the West and Deep South, as well as relatively big years for the third parties.
gorgon wrote: They need a charismatic, inspiring leader for the party, and they haven't had one of those since Reagan.
That leader needs to reach out to Latino voters, whom are generally conservative anyway. You don't have to offer a blanket amnesty to illegals, but you can offer an opportunity to speed up the immigration process.
Would you rather have 3,000,000 people here illegally, not paying taxes? Or 1,500,000 of them registered to vote, paying taxes and contributing to society?
They were working on that when it ran into a logjam with the obama administration.
Personally I am fine with that. We just have to have a secure border. With Chapo gone, cartel violence is spiking again.
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WOuld be cool if they could dump his links to the mob.
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gorgon wrote: They need a charismatic, inspiring leader for the party, and they haven't had one of those since Reagan.
That leader needs to reach out to Latino voters, whom are generally conservative anyway. You don't have to offer a blanket amnesty to illegals, but you can offer an opportunity to speed up the immigration process.
Would you rather have 3,000,000 people here illegally, not paying taxes? Or 1,500,000 of them registered to vote, paying taxes and contributing to society?
Bush was actually pretty charismatic, albeit probably not inspiring. He also did well with Latino voters, many of whom hold fairly traditional family values.
Any call on what the post debate reveal will be? After each debate the media was dumped with details about something female related. I wonder what the Clinton campaign has ready in the torpedo tubes to launch.
Pick one, or feel free to add to the list:
Full Trump Tax Docs All of the Apprentice Tapes Recording of Trump directly ordering firebombing of NCGOP building Trump/Putin Sex Tape
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Easy E wrote: Regarding "What happens to the R party after Trump?"
Just remember, Conservatism never fails, it can only be failed. After Trump loses, the establishment will try to sweep it all under the rug and simply claim Trump lost because he wasn't Conservative enough! Of course, what that actually means is pretty unclear. They will then go back to doing exactly what they have been doing since W was president and focus on winning state houses, state's governorship, and House seats.
Conservatism can't fail, just change over time. By the nature of human existence there will be always prior generations who lived with morals that are different than the new generations, thus creating "conservatism."
Conservatism is just the Progressivism of yesterday
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You should see all the wiener dogs in their tiny helmets and army fatigues. Not one step backwards!
Communist war cries Frazz? Your hardcore libertarian mask is slipping
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Best post-election scenario, IMHO, is HRC as POTUS with Senate back in Dem hands and the House still in GOP hands. We escape the possible appointment of an evangelical donkey cave to SCOTUS, we get HRC and Ryan being pragmatic, out of necessity and working together like WJC and Gingrich in order to show that compromise and THE MIDDLE is where democracy flourishes. This will hopefully further marginalize and neuter the loon voices on the fringe that have effectively shut government down the last 8 years and will provide balance.
I just don't see Ryan as wanting to cater to, or further empower his cluster of Tea Party buffoons after witnessing the trials and tribulations endured by his predecessor. I also can't see HRC wanting to be in the same frustrating position that she saw Obama in over almost the entirety of his POTUS tenure.
It would be an ideal outcome to me.
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WrentheFaceless wrote: The Debate is in Vegas Fraz, Trump may actually just show up to the debate with showgirls.
I'd have Clinton start off tonight's debate with a comment on the beautiful casinos in Las Vegas and suggest that while they're in town, Trumpie should take some notes on what a successful casino looks like as compared to his string of bankrupt disasters. Yes, what a truly impressive businessman he is...
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BigWaaagh wrote: Best post-election scenario, IMHO, is HRC as POTUS with Senate back in Dem hands and the House still in GOP hands. We escape the possible appointment of an evangelical donkey cave to SCOTUS, we get HRC and Ryan being pragmatic, out of necessity and working together like WJC and Gingrich in order to show that compromise and THE MIDDLE is where democracy flourishes. This will hopefully further marginalize and neuter the loon voices on the fringe that have effectively shut government down the last 8 years and will provide balance.
I just don't see Ryan as wanting to cater to, or further empower his cluster of Tea Party buffoons after witnessing the trials and tribulations endured by his predecessor. I also can't see HRC wanting to be in the same frustrating position that she saw Obama in over almost the entirety of his POTUS tenure.
It would be an ideal outcome to me.
No, Ryan may see Trump as the dangerous nutball he is, but Ryan is still a far right obstructionist randite at heart, and almost certainly won't be willing to break the Hastert rule if the GOP retains the house. If the GOP retains the house, you'll see the same obstruction brought against Clinton as they did against Obama since 2010, nothing less.
Plus Ryan is going to make his opening bid for the 2020 GOP presidential nomination by setting himself up as the prime opposer of Clinton - he won't play nice with her for the good of the country because his base would *hate* that, just as they pilloried Chris Christie for working with Obama in the wake of Hurricane Sandy.
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Easy E wrote: Regarding "What happens to the R party after Trump?"
Just remember, Conservatism never fails, it can only be failed. After Trump loses, the establishment will try to sweep it all under the rug and simply claim Trump lost because he wasn't Conservative enough! Of course, what that actually means is pretty unclear. They will then go back to doing exactly what they have been doing since W was president and focus on winning state houses, state's governorship, and House seats.
Conservatism can't fail, just change over time. By the nature of human existence there will be always prior generations who lived with morals that are different than the new generations, thus creating "conservatism."
Conservatism is just the Progressivism of yesterday
You should see all the wiener dogs in their tiny helmets and army fatigues. Not one step backwards!
Communist war cries Frazz? Your hardcore libertarian mask is slipping
Death to the Hitlerites!
As to Trump bringing showgirls, ok, I will admit it, that would be epic cool.
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gorgon wrote:I doubt Texas flips for this race, but it could happen in the next decade or so thanks to changing demographics.
The GOP badly needs a course correction -- and it will eventually happen -- but it's hard to see exactly who would be able to lead that charge right now. They need a charismatic, inspiring leader for the party, and they haven't had one of those since Reagan.
The GOP is, in many ways, self selecting itself out of existence on a national level. The base turns violently on anyone who strays from the ever more extreme dogma that alienates vast segments of the population, while the establishment can no longer control that base and has lost their confidence. Their reputation as the party of discipline and unity is...long gone, and its increasingly turning into a party or rural and suburban whites vs almost literally everyone else.
Frazzled wrote:
Only if their base is limited to mouthbreathing crazies and post industrial jobless white males.
Which, unfortunately, is increasingly the case :/
While anecdotal, watching the GOP supporters in my family descend down the crazy hole would be amusing if it werent so frightening. My cousin is a perfect example. He basically spends his life on facebook reposting recirculated material, the most respectable of which is from D'souza or O'keefe (which says all it needs to there) for the same 7 or 8 people that all comment on eachs others political stuff, boasting about how they're the only true americans left and will take the fight to "the enemy" and stand, armed, against those who threaten them, and violently verbally abusing anyone who questions or asks about their postings, and rant about every crime report involving someone with brown skin.
Meanwhile my cousin has had two jobs in his whole life, barely got a GED at 24, has only ever worked part time for IIRC less than a year total in his life, for Walmart and at a Marine warehouse, was fired from both (and had to be escorted from MCRD San Diego by the MP's), has never lived anywhere but home at 28, cant own a gun because he was put on a 5150 hold for threatening his father (my uncle, who then tried to go to court to get his sons gun rights restored...), doesnt have a car and has a revoked license for refusing a test at a DUI stop, wont go back to school and makes no attempt to find work at this point, pops tons of illegally acquired vicodin and spends most of his remaining cash on booze and cigarettes, while pushing 280lbs.
And this is the guy who's gonna go stand up and fight a war against all those who threaten True America from the communists that are supposedly destroying the country by taking all the welfare and not working but simultaneously also taking all the jobs and our rights...and how Trump is our only salvation and all the Republicans who wont back him are actual Traitors who deserve to be shot apparently.
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Let that sink in for a moment. If Texas goes blue, there will be a lot of GOP officials pooping themselves, as it's the largest conservative electoral bastion, and the republican counterweight to California. Obviously this year is an anomaly, but Texas has been trending lighter with demographics changes for a while now, just no one expected a shot at it quite this early...
Well, the demographics of Texas have been changing (along with Florida, Virginia, NC, and even Georgia) as both the minority and college educated populations rise.
Still, I'm not sure I buy the "Texas is in play" thing, for the same reason I don't buy all the people voting third party instead of Clinton: the luxury of your vote not being needed. Big chunks of both parties (and independents that reliably vote for one party) dislike their candidates, but when elections get close, their interest level increases. You see it in decreased support for Clinton in the Northeast, but increased support for her in the West and Deep South, as well as relatively big years for the third parties.
I did hear on the radio the other day that Texas has had a record number of voter registrations this year. It will be interesting to see how the numbers turn out, as we've had more and more people moving in from out of state over the last several years as some major corporations have moved here. Personally, I think the Republican party here in Texas needs a massive wake-up call. They slept their way through the 2014 elections (seriously, every ad I heard said the same thing "I'm gonna fight Obama, stop Obamacare, and secure our border", and that was even from people running for state offices ). They trumpeted their "mandate from the people" after winning 2014, and then they didn't do a damn thing.
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-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
The threat of taco Trucks taking on every corner is coming close to being true in Las Vegas before the third presidential debate — where opponents of GOP nominee Donald Trump plan to create a "wall" of them in front of the Trump International Las Vegas hotel Wednesday.
"We did not come up with the idea for the wall, Donald Trump came up with building the wall," said Yvanna Cancela, the political director of the Culinary Workers Union 226 in Las Vegas. "We want to show him that walls don't divide us, and rather what he has done is uniting us. And when I say 'us,' I mean it as in every group that Trump has vilified: Muslims, women, immigrants and workers. We are all coming together to make sure that Donald Trump never becomes president."
Trump has pledged to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexican border and to force Mexico to pay for it if elected president, one of his proposals that has riled many Latino Americans.
[WATCH: Latino Trump supporter warns of 'taco trucks']
WATCH: Latino Trump supporter warns of 'taco trucks' 0:39
Taco trucks became part of the 2016 election after a Trump supporter warned in an interview with MSNBC's Joy Ann Reid that the expansion of the Latino culture in the U.S. would lead to "taco trucks on every corner." The comment drew backlash but also was mocked by Trump opponents and taco lovers who said they'd welcome taco trucks on every corner.
Nevada's influential Culinary Workers Union, which has worked throughout the election cycle to register voters, partnered with a coalition of local, state-level and national organizations to coordinate voter registration efforts throughout Las Vegas Tuesday — the state's voter registration deadline.
Volunteers and patrons lining up for the taco truck voter registration drive in Nevada.
Volunteers and patrons lining up for the taco truck voter registration drive in Nevada. Pili Tobar
Over 50 volunteers and 35 taco trucks are parked throughout Las Vegas drawing in potential eligible voters, according to Kevin McAlister, spokesperson for American Bridge. The bilingual effort aims to register as many Latino voters in the state before the deadline passes.
The union also is staging the line of taco trucks to draw attention to labor disputes it has with Trump.
"While we will have taco trucks, the reason we are out there is for the last year now Trump has illegally refused to bargain with workers who won a union election at his hotel," Cancela said. "The biggest message we have sent to him is he needs to come to the negotiation table."
Pili Tobar, the communications director of Latino Victory Project, said volunteers and patrons of the taco trucks are energized for the election.
"Having these taco trucks around, having music playing and at the same time registering people to vote — and obviously people here want to vote against Donald Trump — there is a celebration of culture happening," Tobar said. "It is a really interesting mix of emotions, and people are excited and having fun with it."
"Latino Victory works with partners throughout the country to empower the Latino community, and Nevada is one of our top targets," Tobar continued.
Over a dozen groups coordinated efforts Tuesday and Wednesday to register voters and build the wall: American Bridge, America's Voice, Battle Born Progress, Center for Community Change Action, Forward, For Our Future, iAmerica Action, Latino Victory Project, Next Gen Climate Nevada, the Nevada State AFL-CIO, the Progressive Leadership Alliance of Nevada Action Fund, Planned Parenthood Votes, Mi Familia Vota, Move On, and She Wins We Win.
Separately, the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce has been urging taco truck vendors to register Latinos to vote and coordinating media coverage when they do so.
gorgon wrote:I doubt Texas flips for this race, but it could happen in the next decade or so thanks to changing demographics.
The GOP badly needs a course correction -- and it will eventually happen -- but it's hard to see exactly who would be able to lead that charge right now. They need a charismatic, inspiring leader for the party, and they haven't had one of those since Reagan.
The GOP is, in many ways, self selecting itself out of existence on a national level. The base turns violently on anyone who strays from the ever more extreme dogma that alienates vast segments of the population, while the establishment can no longer control that base and has lost their confidence. Their reputation as the party of discipline and unity is...long gone, and its increasingly turning into a party or rural and suburban whites vs almost literally everyone else.
Back in the primaries I said, and still maintain:
As a life long republican, I'm ready for the party to fething self destruct. Double tap to the head. Either kick out the fething far right xenophobes and evangelical Pro-Lifers that still view Roe V Wade as "not law", or fething give it to them and let the educated centrists spin off into something new. You might even bring some centrist Democrats and Libertarians with you.
I have voted Republican for President since 1994 with the exception of the McCain and McCrazy Bitch ticket. I cannot vote for Trump. Kassich or Jeb would have been my choice, and perhaps some leadership will say enough is enough and start walking.
Just not to Tea Party. Those fethers are worse than Stein.
Now there's a good 40k analogy for this election. The Clinton political machine has taken over the Democratic Party like a genestealer cult, with Hillary being the pending arrival of the Hive Mind. The pro-Trump crowd are essentially Noise Marines rampaging around shrieking and singing while they burn the whole place down. The Republicans might have been able to contact a Space Marine chapter for aid but instead decided to sacrifice their Astropaths to appease the local branch of the Ecclesiarchy.
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Hussain who regan propped up to be our man in Iraq, regan had him trained and sold him lots of chemical weapons.
The policy of backing Hussein began quietly in the Carter Administration. And they did it for the same reason that Reagan's crew did. To wit: It's better to have a secular dictator acting as a foil to a nation run by Islamic fundamentalists. Iran, like Libya, Syria, and Arafat's PLO/PFLP, were major players in the game of state-sponsored terrorism in those days.
Most of the training for Hussein's military didn't come from the United States. Iraq had a professional military whose training regime was a mixture of Soviet tactics, and holdover thinking from their days as part of the British Empire. The vast majority of Iraq's military equipment came from the U.S.S.R., France, and the People's Republic of China. And I don't know what tinfoil hat source you are getting this from, but the United States never sold Hussein chemical weapons. Iraq's arsenal of chemical weapons were from a domestic program, and based on Soviet delivery systems.
Supporting Hussein with money and clout proved to be troublesome in the long run, I will agree. But looking back at the situation at the time, it was probably the best move to make (as much as I hate to say it).
Bin laden was the pick for afganistan when he was our boy against the russians, he was american trained and supplied. there were pictures of bush jr and bin laden shaking hands, and shrub liked him so much he helped bin ladens family flee the US after 9/11, and possibly let bin laden live and escape.
This much is true. At least the first part. But allowing Bin Laden's family to flee from the United States was at the request of the Saudi government, not out of any sense of friendship between the Bushmonkey dynasty and Osama bin Prick. Osama's relatives were wealthy and very influential among the Kingdom of Saud's major movers and shakers. And Saudi Arabia has us by the balls because of the petrodollar, the only thing keeping up afloat since we allowed private banks to control and run our economy into the ground since 1912.
then to really show their flexibility, they claim to be the party that freed the slaves and was for all the social movements, then they did the southern strategy and became the party of racists who will quote Martin Luther King and claim he's a republican and would support their party.
As a Southerner, I can tell you that this is complete bull and complete nonsense.
The South was always a strong bastion of corrupt Democratic party machines running off populism and cronyism, and that remains true in much of the rural South today. In Southern cities, the Democratic party machines are run either by ultra-liberals, mob-influenced labor unions, or crooked race-baiters. The Republican Party has made major inroads at the State level in the South since the mid to late 1970's. But County and city politics tends to be dominated by the Democrats. And they are a force to be reckoned with, all the way to the State capitals.
And go back and re-read your history. Jim Crow and Segregation was a product of the Democratic Party in the South. Most of your major players in the Klan were Democrats, and active in Democratic politics.
There's only 2 platform positions they'll never change on. 1. Their undying support for Israel. 2. Do everything possible to help the rich get richer, even if it means to pollute and destroy every square inch of american soil. Anything else is subject to change based on whatever they think will rally those uneducated trump supporters to keep voting for them.
1. This much is true. And it's been a mixed blessing. Most of it was due to the U.S.S.R. supporting the asshats running the Arab states at the time (with the exception of Jordan, which was "best buds" with the U.K. and U.S.), and a powerful Jewish pro-Israel lobby in the United States. In other words, typical politics and Cold War maneuvering. But to be fair, we have slapped Israel's dick into the dirt a few times via embargo of badly needed money, arms, and technology when they pissed off whatever Administration was in the Oval Office at the time. That's a big reason Israel has gone through back channels to South Africa, South American "pariah states", and the Chinese. Hell, Israel was still dealing with the French covertly, even after de Gaulle pulled French support to appease their Arab clients and the Soviets. All thanks to the influence of Marcel Dassault, who was very pro-Israel.
2. This is true of any career politician or political party. The old meme of the Democrats as being the party of the "little man" and the environment is a crock of dog . They are just as much about money and cronyism as the Republican Party's big shots.
And as for "uneducated", I could say the same for those who drink the media Kool-Aid, and claim that Clinton is the paragon of virtue and honesty. All they while, bastards like George Soros laugh all the way to the bank. Trump is no saint, and giant blowhard. But I would prefer a douche like Trump over a cutthroat career politician like Hillary Clinton. People are backing Trump because A: They are sick and tired of the political establishment in the United States (I count myself as one of these) and want some fresh blood in the pot. Or...B: Trump speaks to his supporters on their level ("the average joe"), has celebrity appeal, and appeals to populism (this last one is not necessarily a good thing, in my view). The notion that Trump supporters are a bunch of uneducated racists and xenophobes is more BS from controlled (i.e. bought and paid for) mega-media organs that are getting less and less relevant thanks to the relative freedom, and exchange of free ideas, on that wonderous thing known as "the internet".
BigWaaagh wrote: Best post-election scenario, IMHO, is HRC as POTUS with Senate back in Dem hands and the House still in GOP hands. We escape the possible appointment of an evangelical donkey cave to SCOTUS, we get HRC and Ryan being pragmatic, out of necessity and working together like WJC and Gingrich in order to show that compromise and THE MIDDLE is where democracy flourishes. This will hopefully further marginalize and neuter the loon voices on the fringe that have effectively shut government down the last 8 years and will provide balance.
I just don't see Ryan as wanting to cater to, or further empower his cluster of Tea Party buffoons after witnessing the trials and tribulations endured by his predecessor. I also can't see HRC wanting to be in the same frustrating position that she saw Obama in over almost the entirety of his POTUS tenure.
It would be an ideal outcome to me.
I agree with this. I think Paul Ryan is among the best the Republicans have, despite being repeatedly criticized from within his own party for the hateful crime of *warning: graphic content* compromise.
And go back and re-read your history. Jim Crow and Segregation was a product of the Democratic Party in the South. Most of your major players in the Klan were Democrats, and active in Democratic politics.
Easy. Don't confuse the Dixi-Crats of the 1950s and 60s with today's Democrats. They have more in common with the un-educated right these days than the current Democratic party.
And I say that as a Republican that spent his first 35 years in the South (Louisiana and Texas).
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If Clinton wins, let it be by a landslide, because a narrow Clinton victory would be an utter disaster for the USA...
Accusations of rigged elections would be the least of America's worries. A whole can of worms would be unleashed with a narrow Clinton victory, and nobody wants to go there...
On the flip side, Clinton has to win, because in the narrow event of Trump winning, the backlash against Clinton would be something to behold. It would be open season on her with emails, servers, and Benghazi, the least of her problems.
In all honesty, with a Clinton presidency, I hope the whole rotten system she's a part of, collapses...
The links to Wall Street, the incestuous relationship with the media, the dodgy money, the whiff of corruption that seems to hang around the Clintons...
Who knows, after 4 or 8 years of that, maybe something better will come along?
In my study of American history, Americans were always hostile to the class of 'professional' politician, and nobody embodies that more than the Clintons.
Tom Paine rightly railed against the British monarchy, but with the Bush family and the Clintons, you guys seem to be creating your own dynasties...
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deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
@Do_I_Not_Like_That: I sincerely hope Clinton loses. She would have already dropped out if not for collusion and extreme hardcore partisanship. The more Wikileaks keeps releasing the more dark a Clinton presidency looks.
By the way, one of Assange's "Dead Man's Switch"es went off and a 87 gigabyte file is available to the public via torrent. It has a lot of interesting files, including oddball stuff on Steve Jobs, Merkel and others. Assange is alleged to have more of these lying in wait just in case....so if the information that John Kerry tried to force Ecuador to hand over Assange is true, then John Kerry just literally screwed himself and everyone else.
When is deadly danger,
When beset by doubt,
Run in little circles,
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Hey, today I learned that a father and a son presidential team (with 8 years in between their terms) and a husband and wife team (with 16 years in between their terms) are dynasties!
Or maybe someone needs to tone down the exaggerations.
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