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Ouze wrote: The idea that they made this announcement solely to assuage his bruised ego as Breotan's article implies just makes it worse.
Not my article, I just linked to it. My question wasn't about the merits of the author's arguments, either. I just wanted some opinions from the usual posters here if this "revelation" would affect the election or not.
Personally, I don't see it swaying the undecided in great numbers (it's just more noise) but it may help get the Republican base energized and focused on making sure Hillary doesn't get elected. I really don't know how the various left-leaning factions feel about this sort of stuff.
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Breotan wrote: The question is, will any of this have an impact on the vote?
Probably not, because there's nothing new. The only people who would vote for Trump over this already decided to do it a long time ago, and the strongest reaction you'll get out of anyone else is "yep, she's definitely corrupt, but she's still better than Trump".
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
WrentheFaceless wrote: Seeing as his position is an appointment, I see him out of a job after the election.
This was likely regardless of who won the election. Even before the most recent shenanigans, he was ill-loved by both sides - HRC is not going to want a Bush appointee that Obama hates, and Trump would never keep on the guy who, in his mind, let HRC skate. Much like Ted Cruz, he's picked the worst of all possible options. The idea that they made this announcement solely to assuage his bruised ego as Breotan's article implies just makes it worse.
I don't know for sure I agree with the idea "the DOJ doesn't announce investigations into a presidential candidate within 60 days of an election" as a blanket rule. If a candidate is being investigated as an axe murderer, I'm not sure that's something they should sit on for 2 months or so. That being said, this seems like the worst sort of political hatchet job - they literally said they have no idea what they have, but we're investigating. Even a lot of Republicans are pretty pissed about this, and I think rightly so.
I just came from CNN where there's an article talking about how some are accusing Comey of violating the Hatch Act over this. Reid was the main focus of the article, but also someone in the Bush administration is also saying the same.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Hillary Clinton Reportedly Calls Doctor Who “Boring Garbage”
Over here in the States, there has been a lot of hubbub about Hillary Clinton’s deleted emails. Now, one purported email, signifying her disdain for Doctor Who, may truly be the end of her campaign.
As the 2016 Presidential Election here in the United States is coming down to its final two weeks, the attacks and rhetoric are reaching a fever pitch. One of those hot topics, since almost the very beginning of the election cycle, has been that of Hillary Clinton’s deleted emails. Wikileaks has released quite a few of them, with each batch promising to be the end of her campaign.
However, there is one email* that has come out that may truly signal the end of her hopes for the Presidency. Instead of being political in nature, or housing secret government information, this email discusses Doctor Who — or, rather, how she just does not appreciate the show, calling it “boring garbage” and feeling as though she is being left out on a joke that everyone else understands.
She even questions if the quality of Doctor Who is a signifier that “England is out of money,” which is quite an insult toward an ally of the United States. Could this cause an international incident?
Now, it is understandable that Doctor Who may not be for everyone. After all, watching a Time Lord who is several thousand years old zipping around time and space with whatever British female he picks up can be a bit much for some. Add in the various plot holes, or the stories that are left unfinished, and it can get quite confusing.
So, maybe that explains why Clinton is not a fan of the program. She’s been busy over the past few decades, helping her husband’s political career before embarking on her own. She just may not have time to sit down and really watch the show with the same level of attention that others provide, as her mind is likely elsewhere.
But to say that Doctor Who is boring garbage? Well, that crosses a line that few would dare to verbalize. In saying that, she has, in effect, removed the Whovian demographic from her voting population. Yes, she has a somewhat higher opinion of Sherlock, which has a great deal of overlap in terms of fandom, but to attack the Doctor? That’s a bold move, Cotton.
But according to a 2014 report by the Congressional Research Service, “there are no statutory conditions on the President’s authority to remove the FBI Director.” In other words, the President can indeed fire the FBI director. An FBI director can also be removed by congress, through the impeachment process.
d-usa wrote: They searched the computer for issues related to the searing. They found emails from Clinton. They don't have a search warrant from them, haven't looked at them, have no idea what may be in them, no idea if they are already included in all the emails they already have, and they have no idea when, and if, they will actually review them.
But despite protocol and recommendations from higher ups they publicly announced that they have new emails, even though they don't know what they say, or if they are indeed even new.
Or, as Whembly categorized it, a fresh criminal investigation into Hillary Clinton.
It never was "closed officially"... only that Comey's July speech effectively made it politically closed.
Don't get me wrong, I'm tickled pink about this... but even I gotta admit... this is strange.
There's gotta be something really incriminating (that they read, but needed a warrant to be kosher post facto) and/or Comey was REALLY feeling the heat within the FBI.
I gotta... Harry Reid's letter to James Comey is fething rich... Mr. "I know lied about Romeny didn't pay taxes and you can't do anything about it sucka!".
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d-usa wrote: They searched the computer for issues related to the searing. They found emails from Clinton. They don't have a search warrant from them, haven't looked at them, have no idea what may be in them, no idea if they are already included in all the emails they already have, and they have no idea when, and if, they will actually review them.
But despite protocol and recommendations from higher ups they publicly announced that they have new emails, even though they don't know what they say, or if they are indeed even new.
Or, as Whembly categorized it, a fresh criminal investigation into Hillary Clinton.
It never was "closed officially"... only that Comey's July speech effectively made it politically closed.
Don't get me wrong, I'm tickled pink about this... but even I gotta admit... this is strange.
There's gotta be something really incriminating (that they read, but needed a warrant to be kosher post facto) and/or Comey was REALLY feeling the heat within the FBI.
But according to a 2014 report by the Congressional Research Service, “there are no statutory conditions on the President’s authority to remove the FBI Director.” In other words, the President can indeed fire the FBI director. An FBI director can also be removed by congress, through the impeachment process.
Ustrello wrote: There are sources out there that said that they have no idea what was on those emails and that he probably jumped the gun sending out the letter.
It's possible. Until he fesses up, we're not really going to know.
Ustrello wrote: There are sources out there that said that they have no idea what was on those emails and that he probably jumped the gun sending out the letter.
It's possible. Until he fesses up, we're not really going to know.
He won't when nothing turns up people (except the die hards) will realize that he fethed up and he will get yelled at and he will turtle and most likely be replaced and go off and retire somewhere.
Hs America become so numb by the decades of lies and cynicism oozing from Clinton Inc. that it could elect Hillary Clinton as president, even after Friday's FBI announcement that it had reopened an investigation of her emails while secretary of state?
We'll find out soon enough.
It's obvious the American political system is breaking down. It's been crumbling for some time now, and the establishment elite know it and they're properly frightened. Donald Trump, the vulgarian at their gates, is a symptom, not a cause. Hillary Clinton and husband Bill are both cause and effect.
FBI director James Comey's announcement about the renewed Clinton email investigation is the bombshell in the presidential campaign. That he announced this so close to Election Day should tell every thinking person that what the FBI is looking at is extremely serious.
This can't be about pervert Anthony Weiner and his reported desire for a teenage girl. But it can be about the laptop of Weiner's wife, Clinton aide Huma Abedin, and emails between her and Hillary. It comes after the FBI investigation in which Comey concluded Clinton had lied and been "reckless" with national secrets, but said he could not recommend prosecution.
So what should the Democrats do now?
If ruling Democrats hold themselves to the high moral standards they impose on the people they govern, they would follow a simple process:
They would demand that Mrs. Clinton step down, immediately, and let her vice presidential nominee, Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia, stand in her place.
Democrats should say, honestly, that with a new criminal investigation going on into events around her home-brew email server from the time she was secretary of state, having Clinton anywhere near the White House is just not a good idea.
Since Oct. 7, WikiLeaks has released 35,000 emails hacked from Clinton campaign boss John Podesta. Now WikiLeaks, no longer a neutral player but an active anti-Clinton agency, plans to release another 15,000 emails.
What if she is elected? Think of a nation suffering a bad economy and continuing chaos in the Middle East, and now also facing a criminal investigation of a president. Add to that congressional investigations and a public vision of Clinton as a Nixonian figure wandering the halls, wringing her hands.
The best thing would be for Democrats to ask her to step down now. It would be the most responsible thing to do, if the nation were more important to them than power. And the American news media — fairly or not firmly identified in the public mind as Mrs. Clinton's political action committee — should begin demanding it.
Justice officials warned FBI about Comey's decision to update Congress
Justice officials warned FBI about Comey's decision to update Congress
But what will Hillary do?
She'll stick and ride this out and turn her anger toward Comey. For Hillary and Bill Clinton, it has always been about power, about the Clinton Restoration and protecting fortunes already made by selling nothing but political influence.
She'll remind the nation that she's a woman and that Donald Trump said terrible things about women. If there is another notorious Trump video to be leaked, the Clintons should probably leak it now. Then her allies in media can talk about misogyny and sexual politics and the headlines can be all about Trump as the boor he is and Hillary as champion of female victims, which she has never been.
Remember that Bill Clinton leveraged the "Year of the Woman." Then he preyed on women in the White House and Hillary protected him. But the political left — most particularly the women of the left — defended him because he promised to protect abortion rights and their other agendas.
If you take a step back from tribal politics, you'll see that Mrs. Clinton has clearly disqualified herself from ever coming near classified information again. If she were a young person straight out of grad school hoping to land a government job, Hillary Clinton would be laughed out of Washington with her record. She'd never be hired.
As secretary of state she kept classified documents on the home-brew server in her basement, which is against the law. She lied about it to the American people. She couldn't remember details dozens of times when questioned by the FBI. Her aides destroyed evidence by BleachBit and hammers. Her husband, Bill, met secretly on an airport tarmac with Attorney General Loretta Lynch for about a half-hour, and all they said they talked about was golf and the grandkids.
FBI's Comey acted out of 'obligation' to lawmakers, fear of leak to media
And there was no prosecution of Hillary.
That isn't merely wrong and unethical. It is poisonous.
And during this presidential campaign, Americans were confronted with a two-tiered system of federal justice: one for standards for the Clintons and one for the peasants.
I've always figured that, as secretary of state, Clinton kept her home-brew email server — from which foreign intelligence agencies could hack top secret information — so she could shield the influence peddling that helped make the Clintons several fortunes.
The Clintons weren't skilled merchants. They weren't traders or manufacturers. The Clintons never produced anything tangible. They had no science, patents or devices to make them millions upon millions of dollars.
All they had to sell, really, was influence. And they used our federal government to leverage it.
If a presidential election is as much about the people as it is about the candidates, then we'll learn plenty about ourselves in the coming days, won't we?
Listen to the Chicago Way podcast with John Kass and Jeff Carlin. Guests are Tribune cartoonist Scott Stantis and former White House Chief of Staff William Daley: www.chicagotribune.com/kasspodcast.
FBI says emails found in Anthony Weiner sexting case may have links to Clinton probe
Hs America become so numb by the decades of lies and cynicism oozing from Clinton Inc. that it could elect Hillary Clinton as president, even after Friday's FBI announcement that it had reopened an investigation of her emails while secretary of state?
We'll find out soon enough.
It's obvious the American political system is breaking down. It's been crumbling for some time now, and the establishment elite know it and they're properly frightened. Donald Trump, the vulgarian at their gates, is a symptom, not a cause. Hillary Clinton and husband Bill are both cause and effect.
FBI director James Comey's announcement about the renewed Clinton email investigation is the bombshell in the presidential campaign. That he announced this so close to Election Day should tell every thinking person that what the FBI is looking at is extremely serious.
This can't be about pervert Anthony Weiner and his reported desire for a teenage girl. But it can be about the laptop of Weiner's wife, Clinton aide Huma Abedin, and emails between her and Hillary. It comes after the FBI investigation in which Comey concluded Clinton had lied and been "reckless" with national secrets, but said he could not recommend prosecution.
So what should the Democrats do now?
If ruling Democrats hold themselves to the high moral standards they impose on the people they govern, they would follow a simple process:
They would demand that Mrs. Clinton step down, immediately, and let her vice presidential nominee, Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia, stand in her place.
Democrats should say, honestly, that with a new criminal investigation going on into events around her home-brew email server from the time she was secretary of state, having Clinton anywhere near the White House is just not a good idea.
Since Oct. 7, WikiLeaks has released 35,000 emails hacked from Clinton campaign boss John Podesta. Now WikiLeaks, no longer a neutral player but an active anti-Clinton agency, plans to release another 15,000 emails.
What if she is elected? Think of a nation suffering a bad economy and continuing chaos in the Middle East, and now also facing a criminal investigation of a president. Add to that congressional investigations and a public vision of Clinton as a Nixonian figure wandering the halls, wringing her hands.
The best thing would be for Democrats to ask her to step down now. It would be the most responsible thing to do, if the nation were more important to them than power. And the American news media — fairly or not firmly identified in the public mind as Mrs. Clinton's political action committee — should begin demanding it.
Justice officials warned FBI about Comey's decision to update Congress
Justice officials warned FBI about Comey's decision to update Congress
But what will Hillary do?
She'll stick and ride this out and turn her anger toward Comey. For Hillary and Bill Clinton, it has always been about power, about the Clinton Restoration and protecting fortunes already made by selling nothing but political influence.
She'll remind the nation that she's a woman and that Donald Trump said terrible things about women. If there is another notorious Trump video to be leaked, the Clintons should probably leak it now. Then her allies in media can talk about misogyny and sexual politics and the headlines can be all about Trump as the boor he is and Hillary as champion of female victims, which she has never been.
Remember that Bill Clinton leveraged the "Year of the Woman." Then he preyed on women in the White House and Hillary protected him. But the political left — most particularly the women of the left — defended him because he promised to protect abortion rights and their other agendas.
If you take a step back from tribal politics, you'll see that Mrs. Clinton has clearly disqualified herself from ever coming near classified information again. If she were a young person straight out of grad school hoping to land a government job, Hillary Clinton would be laughed out of Washington with her record. She'd never be hired.
As secretary of state she kept classified documents on the home-brew server in her basement, which is against the law. She lied about it to the American people. She couldn't remember details dozens of times when questioned by the FBI. Her aides destroyed evidence by BleachBit and hammers. Her husband, Bill, met secretly on an airport tarmac with Attorney General Loretta Lynch for about a half-hour, and all they said they talked about was golf and the grandkids.
FBI's Comey acted out of 'obligation' to lawmakers, fear of leak to media
And there was no prosecution of Hillary.
That isn't merely wrong and unethical. It is poisonous.
And during this presidential campaign, Americans were confronted with a two-tiered system of federal justice: one for standards for the Clintons and one for the peasants.
I've always figured that, as secretary of state, Clinton kept her home-brew email server — from which foreign intelligence agencies could hack top secret information — so she could shield the influence peddling that helped make the Clintons several fortunes.
The Clintons weren't skilled merchants. They weren't traders or manufacturers. The Clintons never produced anything tangible. They had no science, patents or devices to make them millions upon millions of dollars.
All they had to sell, really, was influence. And they used our federal government to leverage it.
If a presidential election is as much about the people as it is about the candidates, then we'll learn plenty about ourselves in the coming days, won't we?
Listen to the Chicago Way podcast with John Kass and Jeff Carlin. Guests are Tribune cartoonist Scott Stantis and former White House Chief of Staff William Daley: www.chicagotribune.com/kasspodcast.
FBI says emails found in Anthony Weiner sexting case may have links to Clinton probe
As a Chicagoin I will give you some advice, never take anything Kass has to say seriously. The dude is a complete tool
Tannhauser42 wrote: I just came from CNN where there's an article talking about how some are accusing Comey of violating the Hatch Act over this. Reid was the main focus of the article, but also someone in the Bush administration is also saying the same.
Seems like a reach to me, but one of the people to file a complaint is, as you say, the chief ethics lawyer under George W Bush - not exactly someone in the tank for HRC.
lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
No, it isn't. It's gibberish that's produced by people not understanding what words mean.
Why isn't the President elected by popular vote rather than the college system?
Because the US has a federal system, where power is not granted to the electorate as a whole, but instead to individual states.
Why did the founders want to preserve the Senate from the "fury of democracy", thus resulting in no direct elections for the Senate until 1915 or something?
Again, because of the federal system.
No country on Earth is a 'pure' democracy, and the USA is no different from that, but I think it's a valid argument to say that the USA is a Republic with checks and balances on democracy.
Yes, it is fair to say that the US is republic with checks and balances on democracy. The point, though, is that sentence doesn't mean what you or many other people think it means. What you actually said was "the US is a nation without a king or any other hereditary head of state which has a democracy checked by a series of processes pretty much the same as every other functioning democracy".
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I know what you're saying, but even here, Britain is still technically a monarchy, despite the civil war and the glorious revolution settling the issue in favour of parliament, and our Queen's representative in Australia, the governor general, once gave the Australian government the boot, as he exercised the Queen's powers as head of state of Australia. This was back in the 1970s or something.
Our head of state is unelected. Our version of the senate is unelected. Our Prime Minster is unelected! We have a major constitutional crisis on our hands with BREXIT and with Scotland. Basically, states rights Vs. Federal Rights
But somehow we're still a democracy.
You've got all the pieces, but you're not quite putting them together. Britain (and also Australia) are democracies because we elect the parliament that runs the country, but we are not republics because the (nominal) head of state is a hereditary position. The US is also a democracy as it elects congress, and it also a republic because there's no hereditary head of state.
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: That being said, as an outsider, and neutral observer, I do think that money has corrupted US politics to an unhealthy degree.
There's a lot of corruption in US politics, that's true. There is also a very unhealthy politicization of government institutions compared to other developed countries. The fascinating thing, though, is that there's been corruption in US politics since say 1, and despite it all the US has been one of the strongest, most stable democracies in the world, and shown an incredible rate of economic growth over the long term.
Standard political theory will tell you that when big money gets that tied up in government, and when the line between political and institutional government gets muddied then democracy and the economy should suffer badly. The US hasn't just bucked that trend, it's created an alternate reality where that pattern no longer exists.
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: They're saying the Trump effect is in danger of dragging the whole party down with him. There's talk of Texas turning Democrat!
Sam Houston must be spinning in his grave!
EDIT. Get this dread feeling that Houston was a Democrat and I'm going to be red-faced!
Houston was indeed a Democrat, at least for some if his life, he also belonged to a bunch of parties, but was never a Republican. But more than that, Texas was a Democratic state from the time it came in to US politics, for around a 100 years, up until the 1960s. If you raised zombie Houston tomorrow he'd probably be most surprised that the state had gone so strongly red for the last 50 odd years.
And on top of that... the talk about flipping Texas blue is just talk. Texas is still being held by Trump by about 7 points - that's more than Clinton is winning the election by. The idea that Clinton could gain another 7 odd points to claim Texas is real pie in the sky stuff, in this election. The real reason that lots of work has been done in Texas, in this campaign and for a long time now, is that Democrats are working on a long term plan to energise and engage the growing Latino population in the state, because if they can get enough of a result in that population to flip Texas, then the Republican path through the electoral college will start to look close to impossible.
Yeah, see, after being asked for evidence, what you offered up is the New York Post and the Washington Times. These are what are generally known as shithole rags. The NY Post is owned by Rupert Murdoch, and is known as a testing ground for the more ridiculous conservative stuff Murdoch wants to try and sell - put it in the NY Post and if it gets through we'll put it on FOX, if it gets blowback just let it go quiet because it's only the Post is the basic logic.
The Washington Times... is owned by the fething Moonies. Yes, those Moonies, the crazy ass cult from the 70s that is somehow still going. The paper they publish is famous for being deeply fething crazy.
So yeah, what you've posted are wild rumours from shithole newspapers. Probably want to walk back your claims, then.
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Maddermax wrote: And the other story is from known ratf**ker for Nixon, Roger Stone, who admits to lying and political trickery since the start of his career in CREEP. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Stone - He was the 70s version of OKeef, with just as little credibility.
Stone has also been Trump's mentor since the 1980s.
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Sasori wrote: This is pretty serious, the FBI would not reopen this case at this point unless there is enough possible evidence to see indictment.
I think this may actually tilt the election to Trump.
We have no information of any kind, but that shouldn't stop anyone from speculating wildly.
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LordofHats wrote: It sounds like the FBI found more emails without looking, and Comey is doing what he's done every step of the way; making sure no one can say the FBI didn't do its due diligence (not that his rather vigorous attempts to be rational about his job and this whole scenario has prevented people from making that exact claim).
The story here is that Comey fethed up a long time back and it's snowballed ever since. The actual screw up came when he originally decided to go public on the email thing way back in the early days. That wasn't a political choice, both sides of politics wanted more information out in the open - Republicans wanted it out there because they were sure Clinton was totally guilty, and Democrats wanted it out there because they were sure she wasn't. This ended up with Comey testifying before Congress about the decision to not prosecute and giving details of investigative material.
Once he'd been that public, then he'd already muddied the waters on what an attorney general should release to the public. Having been so public on the original investigation, Comey would have felt obligated to continue being so open with this re-opening. However, there is a decades long policy in the FBI that you shouldn't put anything in the public 60 days before an election, it produces a risk that accusations not yet established in a court of law, or even a full investigation, might switch an election before the accused has time to respond. Comey himself sent a memo out to the FBI reinforcing that 60 day limit earlier this year. But now he puts up a bit of speculation less than two weeks before a presidential election.
It turns out the processes in place, such as keeping such investigations private until concluded, they existed for good reason. Comey didn't understand those reasons, and oh man has he fethed up now.
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tneva82 wrote: Finnish news sitates ABC and Washington posts polls that have Clinton lead by mere 2% ATM. Before polls by same sites had 12% lead. Hopefully those 2 polls aren't that reliable.
No single poll is particularly reliable. The best polls have margins of error of several %.
What actually does work is polling aggregation, combining hundreds (or even thousands) of polls and averaging them out.
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Ouze wrote: I don't know for sure I agree with the idea "the DOJ doesn't announce investigations into a presidential candidate within 60 days of an election" as a blanket rule. If a candidate is being investigated as an axe murderer, I'm not sure that's something they should sit on for 2 months or so.
Obviously it isn't great if an axe murderer is known to the FBI, but elected because they don't tell the public they're pretty sure there is an axe murderer running for office. But afterwards there's still plenty of ways to get the axe murderer out of office, impeachment etc... if the evidence stacks up.
The point is that it is very hard to assess what is and isn't something the public needs to know, and even harder to put the information out in the public with full context, with scope for the accused to give a decent response. That becomes almost impossible the closer you get to election day.
This feth up has shown why that 60 day window is so important.
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whembly wrote: It never was "closed officially"... only that Comey's July speech effectively made it politically closed.
Don't get me wrong, I'm tickled pink about this... but even I gotta admit... this is strange.
There's gotta be something really incriminating (that they read, but needed a warrant to be kosher post facto) and/or Comey was REALLY feeling the heat within the FBI.
If there was something incriminating we would have heard it. This is a result of Comey taking a string of baby steps towards totally fething up the FBI's expectations for impartiality.
"Having taken the extraordinary steps of briefing the public, testifying before Congress about a decision not to prosecute and sharing investigative material, Comey now finds himself wanting to update the public and Congress on each new development in the investigation, even before he and others have had a chance to assess its significance."
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
The problem with the timing is that the letter has immediately been blown up into the biggest scandal ever, while the investigation may well discover nothing at all related to Clinton but cannot possibly be completed for weeks or months.
Breaking my self imposed political exile for one moment.
The recent hullabaloo over Wienergate (I trade marked this-back off Trump!) has certainly thrown a wrench into everything.
I don't know how I feel about this, other than the world is just turned upside down. I feel like I'm living in Brazil, watching Brazilian politics in real time. Have we finally become a banana republic, or have we been saved from one? What the hell is going on any more?
I don't know. I find myself hoping she wins, and then has to immediately resign after the election, so it goes to Kaine.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: I find myself hoping she wins, and then has to immediately resign after the election, so it goes to Kaine.
I thought you had considered yourself conservative. If so, Kaine isn't your guy.
Compassionate Libertarian. I consider wanting a sane/non-felon President first.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: . I consider wanting a sane/non-felon President first.
That's Clinton.
In technical terms you're...incorrect...but hey its your opinion so good for you. Dog save me from true believers of any party. Their corruption was known in the first administration in Arkansas, and it only got worse. Now there are emails from a Clinton handler about Bill getting millions from the foundation, because he arranged it. if she is elected this will be a wounded President from the start, to a level of the Teapot Dome Scandal.
Maybe I should agree, because now she's crippled and will pass nothing meaningful But this motivates her to try to be even more of a hawk internationally, and thats bad given her instincts (Lbya, Syria, forced no fly zone WHICH STARTS A WAR with Russia) have been so horribly bad.
I used to vote republican because they hadn't started a war since WWI. Now I'm stuck between a warmonger and a fool.
Time to back out of the politics thread again. Allright keep your hands up and no one make any sudden moves...
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Kilkrazy wrote: The problem with the timing is that the letter has immediately been blown up into the biggest scandal ever, while the investigation may well discover nothing at all related to Clinton but cannot possibly be completed for weeks or months.
Clearly this biases the election.
Hopefully not too much. Trump is still the greatest idiot in the universe. This is the election he would truly win.
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Frazzled wrote: . I consider wanting a sane/non-felon President first.
That's Clinton.
In technical terms you're...incorrect...but hey its your opinion so good for you. Dog save me from true believers of any party. Their corruption was known in the first administration in Arkansas, and it only got worse. Now there are emails from a Clinton handler about Bill getting millions from the foundation, because he arranged it. if she is elected this will be a wounded President from the start, to a level of the Teapot Dome Scandal.
Maybe I should agree, because now she's crippled and will pass nothing meaningful But this motivates her to try to be even more of a hawk internationally, and thats bad given her instincts (Lbya, Syria, forced no fly zone WHICH STARTS A WAR with Russia) have been so horribly bad.
I used to vote republican because they hadn't started a war since WWI. Now I'm stuck between a warmonger and a fool.
Time to back out of the politics thread again. Allright keep your hands up and no one make any sudden moves...
So you're going with the "declared" wars then? Shrub illegally invading Iraq and Afganistan wasn't warmongering or starting a war?
We have a major constitutional crisis on our hands with BREXIT and with Scotland. Basically, states rights Vs. Federal Rights
