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So in the new Deathwatch codex (The Oathsworn Tithe, p.20), we get told that

Hundreds of Chapters... tithe their warriors to the Deathwatch in times of need, and only one of them has been found wanting, its honour forever tarnished.

As far as I can tell, this never gets expanded on. Is this just an open plot point to let players make up their own story? A opening for a future campaign? A reference to the Grey Knights? One of the chaos legions?

Discuss.

Probably an open point. It doesn't make much sense as GK or a Chaos Legion.

Clearly it was the <insert your least favourite chapter here>.

 GoonBandito wrote:
Clearly it was the <insert your least favourite chapter here>.

But the Iron Hands are represented.

Marines malevolent, probably

Space Sharks.

Games Workshop did....


But seriously, you would think there would be more than 1 chapter that isn't friendly with the Inquisition. Frankly I'm surprised the wolves still send men.

Obviously it was the Rainbow Marines, which is why they got purged. Dirty space hippies tried to save the space whales after an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor ordered them exterminatused so he could use the remains for space sushi.

The Minotaurs, maybe?

 Bobthehero wrote:
The Minotaurs, maybe?

Featured in the book as Contributing members.

The GK are not required to send members to the DW, as their application is too-specialized and mission parameters too important.

 Bulldogging wrote:
Games Workshop did....


But seriously, you would think there would be more than 1 chapter that isn't friendly with the Inquisition. Frankly I'm surprised the wolves still send men.

The Space Wolves have friendly relations with many Inquisitors, and they have never had any trouble with Ordo Xenos inquisitors (their trouble was with an Inquisitor of the Ordo Malleus), so why wouldn't they send men to the Deathwatch?

 Psienesis wrote:
The GK are not required to send members to the DW, as their application is too-specialized and mission parameters too important.

Captain obvious strikes again.

It wasn't the Blood Ravens since we know they have a model in the space hulk game that came out.

It's not a 'chaos legion' as the Deathwatch post-date the heresy by a millennium or so.

It won't be the Grey Knights as (as noted) they have more important (in their eyes) matters to attend to.

From the description, it's a matter of a chapter who were part of the apocryphon conclave (i.e. signatories to the deathwatch agreement) who for some reason subsequently refused to send marines.

If the chapter was destroyed, or turned renegade, they wouldn't be expecting such (that's what the 'blackshield' concept exists for, anyway).

Every first founding chapter still sends marines, as do most of the second founding ones - frankly most of the chapters in existence.

At the moment, it's just a throwaway line as a future plot hook.

locarno24 wrote:
It's not a 'chaos legion' as the Deathwatch post-date the heresy by a millennium or so.

It won't be the Grey Knights as (as noted) they have more important (in their eyes) matters to attend to.

From the description, it's a matter of a chapter who were part of the apocryphon conclave (i.e. signatories to the deathwatch agreement) who for some reason subsequently refused to send marines.

If the chapter was destroyed, or turned renegade, they wouldn't be expecting such (that's what the 'blackshield' concept exists for, anyway).

Every first founding chapter still sends marines, as do most of the second founding ones - frankly most of the chapters in existence.

At the moment, it's just a throwaway line as a future plot hook.

This.
The Chapter itself cannot be a Legion (Deathwatch was created after), Grey Knights (who are exempt from normal Marines) or a First Founder.

I think the best suggestion I've heard here is the Marines Malevolent, because of their habit of team killing. Still, there's nothing concrete on it.

It was probably the Angry Marines

This.
The Chapter itself cannot be a Legion (Deathwatch was created after), Grey Knights (who are exempt from normal Marines) or a First Founder.

I think the best suggestion I've heard here is the Marines Malevolent, because of their habit of team killing. Still, there's nothing concrete on it.

There is definitely a Deathwatch Marine Malevolent in the Xenos Hunters short story collection. Which doesn't mean they failed to meet their obligations before or after that point, but he was there then.

He was a grade A* git, but he was there and a fully-fledged kill team member.

We know the Mantis Warriors were officially denied the right to send marines to the Deathwatch during their penitent crusade, so in theory that might be it. Several marines were posthumously entered into the Deathwatch*, though.


* In Warrior Brood. Which is (a) by C.S.Goto and (b) feth awful, but still a published Black Library novel.

locarno24 wrote:

This.
The Chapter itself cannot be a Legion (Deathwatch was created after), Grey Knights (who are exempt from normal Marines) or a First Founder.

I think the best suggestion I've heard here is the Marines Malevolent, because of their habit of team killing. Still, there's nothing concrete on it.

There is definitely a Deathwatch Marine Malevolent in the Xenos Hunters short story collection. Which doesn't mean they failed to meet their obligations before or after that point, but he was there then.

He was a grade A* git, but he was there and a fully-fledged kill team member.

We know the Mantis Warriors were officially denied the right to send marines to the Deathwatch during their penitent crusade, so in theory that might be it. Several marines were posthumously entered into the Deathwatch*, though.


* In Warrior Brood. Which is (a) by C.S.Goto and (b) feth awful, but still a published Black Library novel.

I wouldnt worry about Gotos stuff now, with Relic doing back flipping terminators now.
Not sure if theyre taking the piss or what.

 Vankraken wrote:
It was probably the Angry Marines

Stop flipping off the enemy and shoot your damn bolter!

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Bulldogging wrote:
Games Workshop did....


But seriously, you would think there would be more than 1 chapter that isn't friendly with the Inquisition. Frankly I'm surprised the wolves still send men.

The Space Wolves have friendly relations with many Inquisitors, and they have never had any trouble with Ordo Xenos inquisitors (their trouble was with an Inquisitor of the Ordo Malleus), so why wouldn't they send men to the Deathwatch?

But it's so fun to hate on Space Wolves so who cares about the fluff right?

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
The GK are not required to send members to the DW, as their application is too-specialized and mission parameters too important.

Captain obvious strikes again.

Maybe try reading the OP next time, you might note that the GK were specifically mentioned as a possible candidate for the topic.

OT:

Blood of Asaheim specifically mentions a SW member of the Deathwatch (main character of the book, as it so happens) so we know it's not the Wolves. UM show up everywhere, so certainly not them. I think we can safely exclude any of the original Legions and Second Founding Chapters.

Could be Exorcists or Relictors.

 Psienesis wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
The GK are not required to send members to the DW, as their application is too-specialized and mission parameters too important.

Captain obvious strikes again.

Maybe try reading the OP next time, you might note that the GK were specifically mentioned as a possible candidate for the topic.

OT:

Blood of Asaheim specifically mentions a SW member of the Deathwatch (main character of the book, as it so happens) so we know it's not the Wolves. UM show up everywhere, so certainly not them. I think we can safely exclude any of the original Legions and Second Founding Chapters.

Could be Exorcists or Relictors.

But they aren't a candidate as they are exempt from everything in the Imperium. They have the most important role of any Space Marine in the Imperium, so they wouldn't sign an accord promising their super-secret "I don't really exist" Marines to to a SpecOps Xenos hunter chapter that recruits from every corner in the Imperium. In fact it directly conflicts with their goal, they are specialists in Daemonhunting, learning to fight Xenos is wasted time and while they do kill Xenos its more of "I got nothing better to do" deal.


But yes, the Space Wolves along with all the other first founding chapters and the well known Seconds (Crimson Fists, Black Templars) and many others are all represented. It'll be an obscure chapter that know one has heard of, for making up your own chapter.

you know what? the inquisition is probably flipping off those Celestial lions again even as they are rebuilding!

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
you know what? the inquisition is probably flipping off those Celestial lions again even as they are rebuilding!

Inquisition? What Inquisition? Surely you must mean "Ork snipers"?

The Lamenters? They always end up shafted.

Trystis wrote:
The Lamenters? They always end up shafted.

Nah, there's a Lamenters Dreadnought in the Deathwatch BL books.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Trystis wrote:
The Lamenters? They always end up shafted.

Nah, there's a Lamenters Dreadnought in the Deathwatch BL books.

Isn't he essentially the "Last" Lamenter now since contact was lost with them.

 Psienesis wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
The GK are not required to send members to the DW, as their application is too-specialized and mission parameters too important.

Captain obvious strikes again.

Maybe try reading the OP next time, you might note that the GK were specifically mentioned as a possible candidate for the topic.

To be fair, it *could* have been Grey Knights, but seeing as it says "honour forever tarnished", I doubt it. Grey Knights are the purest of the pure, there's no WAY they could ever have a sullied reputation...

Could be Exorcists or Relictors.

I can imagine both Chapters are in the Deathwatch, but I can remember a source. I think an Exorcist is in Kill Team Talon.
EDIT - Yes, a Darrion Rauth, member of Kill Team Talon, codenamed Watcher, because he oversaw the team Librarian.


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VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Trystis wrote:
The Lamenters? They always end up shafted.

Nah, there's a Lamenters Dreadnought in the Deathwatch BL books.

Isn't he essentially the "Last" Lamenter now since contact was lost with them.

He believes so.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
The GK are not required to send members to the DW, as their application is too-specialized and mission parameters too important.

Captain obvious strikes again.

Maybe try reading the OP next time, you might note that the GK were specifically mentioned as a possible candidate for the topic.

To be fair, it *could* have been Grey Knights, but seeing as it says "honour forever tarnished", I doubt it. Grey Knights are the purest of the pure, there's no WAY they could ever have a sullied reputation...

Could be Exorcists or Relictors.

I can imagine both Chapters are in the Deathwatch, but I can remember a source. I think an Exorcist is in Kill Team Talon.
EDIT - Yes, a Darrion Rauth, member of Kill Team Talon, codenamed Watcher, because he oversaw the team Librarian.


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VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Trystis wrote:
The Lamenters? They always end up shafted.

Nah, there's a Lamenters Dreadnought in the Deathwatch BL books.

Isn't he essentially the "Last" Lamenter now since contact was lost with them.

He believes so.

As I said earlier, there is no way its the GK.

They have a mission far more important than Xenos, they wouldn't promise their specialists to another specialism, waste of time as the skillset doesn't overlap
The GK are also super secret so they wouldnt send men to a Chapter made from every other Chapter to get knowledge spread over the whole Imperium.