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Anyone else kinda wanna take a step back and realize that we are arguing over what fake plastic parts our toy soldiers have?

Most of the arguments on this forum would be rendered moot if we took a step back. But then this forum would probably not exist and it'd collapse in on itself like a negative space wedgie.

I'm really asking is Do you Want to create a fifth chaos god and open the eye of terror 28k years too early?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
That's why I went with Sgt. Calhoun, who is obvious female, and obviously the most capable person in her unit.

TBH, I don't even know what game she's from.

 Pouncey wrote:
I call BS on that.

Personally I'm okay with there not being that many Sisters and it makes sense for quite a number of reasons. It doesn't really matter at the end of the day. The numbers don't agree with the descriptions and the descriptions are not shown as being the case outside of the Sister specific sources; yeah, they probably should and definitely could have had a Dialogous translating but what do we get instead? A servitor. There are a lot of servitors doing jobs that Sisters are said to do. It makes sense in-universe, real-world I guess generally the authors just, forget, that the option to have a Sister exists.

I say no to high heels entirely.

Boob plate I'm indifferent about...

...female characters who look female... ...heavy plate armor...

Yeah, I'm not too bothered about boob plate myself either but the more I see it the more it doesn't look good to me, especially when you see (a very well done I might add) Sisters of Battle cosplay: you've got an actual woman wearing a good rendition of SoB powered armour and the boob plate more often than not looks out of place. Besides, I have a specific piece of artwork that I intend to use for my own version of a Sister and there is no boob plate and it definitely doesn't have heels.

I also like great big chunky, heavy plate armour concepts but what I've been thinking is that, there should be a basic SoB suit of powered armour and then something bulkier. Something along the lines of real world exo suits, like a sort of Sisters version of a Centurion, but, you know, something that would actually look good (and realistic and practical)!!!

She's from Wreck It Ralph, a Movie about a game.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Anyone else kinda wanna take a step back and realize that we are arguing over what fake plastic parts our toy soldiers have?

Sure.

I can also realize that I've spent thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours on those toy soldiers. I think at that point they can be a little bit important to me to the point where I can care what they look like.

 Pouncey wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
That's why I went with Sgt. Calhoun, who is obvious female, and obviously the most capable person in her unit.

TBH, I don't even know what game she's from.

Hero's Duty!



It's a FPS arcade rail shooter like House of the Dead, except you're shooting alien bugs.

 Gogsnik wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
I call BS on that.

Personally I'm okay with there not being that many Sisters and it makes sense for quite a number of reasons. It doesn't really matter at the end of the day. The numbers don't agree with the descriptions and the descriptions are not shown as being the case outside of the Sister specific sources; yeah, they probably should and definitely could have had a Dialogous translating but what do we get instead? A servitor. There are a lot of servitors doing jobs that Sisters are said to do. It makes sense in-universe, real-world I guess generally the authors just, forget, that the option to have a Sister exists.

I say no to high heels entirely.

Boob plate I'm indifferent about...

...female characters who look female... ...heavy plate armor...

Yeah, I'm not too bothered about boob plate myself either but the more I see it the more it doesn't look good to me, especially when you see (a very well done I might add) Sisters of Battle cosplay: you've got an actual woman wearing a good rendition of SoB powered armour and the boob plate more often than not looks out of place. Besides, I have a specific piece of artwork that I intend to use for my own version of a Sister and there is no boob plate and it definitely doesn't have heels.

I also like great big chunky, heavy plate armour concepts but what I've been thinking is that, there should be a basic SoB suit of powered armour and then something bulkier. Something along the lines of real world exo suits, like a sort of Sisters version of a Centurion, but, you know, something that would actually look good (and realistic and practical)!!!

Centurion was the first place you went for a Space Marine analog? Not Terminators?


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
That's why I went with Sgt. Calhoun, who is obvious female, and obviously the most capable person in her unit.

TBH, I don't even know what game she's from.

Heroes' Duty!

Never played it.

Pouncey, he's being a nutter. Hero's Duty is a game within a movie that had a tie-in webgame made.

The movie, like I said before, is Wreck It Ralph.

 Pouncey wrote:
Centurion was the first place you went for a Space Marine analog? Not Terminators?

Ha! Indeed. Only in so far as a Centurion if about as close as 40K gets to current exo-suits, I wasn't making a Space Marine comparison though. In background terms, I don't see Sisters getting terminator armour plus, I'd rather make something different and something that can look more low tech and yet baroque.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Pouncey, he's being a nutter. Hero's Duty is a game within a movie that had a tie-in webgame made.

The movie, like I said before, is Wreck It Ralph.

Never saw that movie either.


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 Gogsnik wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Centurion was the first place you went for a Space Marine analog? Not Terminators?

Ha! Indeed. Only in so far as a Centurion if about as close as 40K gets to current exo-suits, I wasn't making a Space Marine comparison though. In background terms, I don't see Sisters getting terminator armour plus, I'd rather make something different and something that can look more low tech and yet baroque.

I was thinking more in terms of role.

Heavier duty power armor that's more resilient and has better support for heavy weapons than their standard power armor does, used in cases where the fighting is thickest.

Though I'll admit I don't want to turn Sororitas into Marines Lite, so I'd be happy without a Terminator analog too.

Could just have Sororitas use a unique version of Artificer armor for those roles, too. Just really, REALLY high-quality power armor that looks super-ornate compared to the standard stuff.

Also, isn't power armor essentially what you end up with when you create an exo-suit strong enough to mount an amount of armor onto it that lets you make a fully-armored soldier who still has the mobility to fight a battle?

I was thinking more along the lines of the power loader from Aliens, nothing really massive, but definitely a bit industrial.

 Pouncey wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Anyone else kinda wanna take a step back and realize that we are arguing over what fake plastic parts our toy soldiers have?

Sure.

I can also realize that I've spent thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours on those toy soldiers. I think at that point they can be a little bit important to me to the point where I can care what they look like.

And nothing is stopping you from making them how ever you want

 Gogsnik wrote:
I was thinking more along the lines of the power loader from Aliens, nothing really massive, but definitely a bit industrial.

That is, basically, a Penitent Engine.

I know, but not quite so big as that. I've been thinking in terms of an augmentation for a sister (like a Centurion) but not an actual warmachine per se if that makes sense.

 Pouncey wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
1: Being a male I like things big mean scary. Like the inquistor I would kill for a male female 2 pack of that model.
2: Like most people even if I do it sub-consciously I tend to connect to a character and being the general I like the guy on the table who is the general be as much like me as possible. So being a male and favoring weapons I like is strongly needed, knowing their is a female above me who is actually in charge means little to nothing to me but being the general of this battle I want to be represented there. So a force of all females well I find appealing I do not feel as connected to it as I do with say ork who even tho are not human are all about brute force survival of the strongest ect ect.

I'm a guy in real life, and I don't really have a problem playing female characters in... literally any game I play that gives me that option.

Maybe just being a guy doesn't automatically translate to needing a male character to be your avatar in a game?

I ment more along the lines of what I liked about them and need to pick a army. Some people not so much because they are over lord and all their units are their men. For me it is more of a who best represents me or my ideas. When they dropped the witch hunter model I lost alot of love. But thats why I love iron jawz and beastmen I love animals and every game that gives you a pet thats my guy right there man woman child ect if it has a pet it has my heart lol.

Oh btw not sure if you knew this but the model may have been from necromunda or what ever but at the time of witch hunters he was in the HQ section with the other 3 ladies I showed. He also could take a retune and was in the witch hunter codex I am holding

 Gogsnik wrote:
I know, but not quite so big as that. I've been thinking in terms of an augmentation for a sister (like a Centurion) but not an actual warmachine per se if that makes sense.

I really hope they don't go that direction. Sisters right now are close enough in organization to Marines as-is. I'd like to see them take it in a completely different direction than try to make "Terminator Sisters". I like the idea of the repentia as the sister's answer to heavy armor, they just need to make repentia viable (maybe 4+ FnP, run and charge, and once-per-game fight at Initiative?)

 Gogsnik wrote:
I know, but not quite so big as that. I've been thinking in terms of an augmentation for a sister (like a Centurion) but not an actual warmachine per se if that makes sense.

The power loader in Aliens was for moving heavy cargo around.

Not exactly a battlefield role.

And the tabletop game and all of its models are about the battlefield, not the 40k universe in general.

What would you use the power loader for in combat? Ripley used it for its physical strength in a melee fight against the Xenomorph, but the Sororitas have power weapons and chainswords they'd use instead when it comes down to a melee fight. Power weapons don't need much strength to cut through something - the disruptive energy field does most of the work. Chainswords are designed to be held against the foe, not really swung around a lot as a slashing weapon, so a Sororitas has the strength they'd need for that.


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 Pouncey wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
1: Being a male I like things big mean scary. Like the inquistor I would kill for a male female 2 pack of that model.
2: Like most people even if I do it sub-consciously I tend to connect to a character and being the general I like the guy on the table who is the general be as much like me as possible. So being a male and favoring weapons I like is strongly needed, knowing their is a female above me who is actually in charge means little to nothing to me but being the general of this battle I want to be represented there. So a force of all females well I find appealing I do not feel as connected to it as I do with say ork who even tho are not human are all about brute force survival of the strongest ect ect.

I'm a guy in real life, and I don't really have a problem playing female characters in... literally any game I play that gives me that option.

Maybe just being a guy doesn't automatically translate to needing a male character to be your avatar in a game?

I ment more along the lines of what I liked about them and need to pick a army. Some people not so much because they are over lord and all their units are their men. For me it is more of a who best represents me or my ideas. When they dropped the witch hunter model I lost alot of love. But thats why I love iron jawz and beastmen I love animals and every game that gives you a pet thats my guy right there man woman child ect if it has a pet it has my heart lol.

Oh btw not sure if you knew this but the model may have been from necromunda or what ever but at the time of witch hunters he was in the HQ section with the other 3 ladies I showed. He also could take a retune and was in the witch hunter codex I am holding

Just buy the Inquisition Codex and use one of their detachments. They still have the Ordo Hereticus stuff.

I think you can take a male Ecclesiarchy special character as your HQ choice in the Sororitas dex, so you don't need a Canoness or Celestine.

 Pouncey wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Pouncey, he's being a nutter. Hero's Duty is a game within a movie that had a tie-in webgame made.

The movie, like I said before, is Wreck It Ralph.

Never saw that movie either.

You're missing out. Go see it!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Pouncey, he's being a nutter. Hero's Duty is a game within a movie that had a tie-in webgame made.

The movie, like I said before, is Wreck It Ralph.

Never saw that movie either.

You're missing out. Go see it!

I'll see if it's on Netflix or if I can get it on DVD some time.

Public library! School library!

 Pouncey wrote:


Correct. You assumed the only thing I like about the Sororitas aesthetic is their physical attractiveness. You are, in fact. wrong about that.

Your fervent defense of the armour design, plus the fact that out of your reasons given only hotness was relevant to that design element at all.

I will not accuse you of obsession - I find there has been enough mud-slinging of the type - but if you are saying a design element is not important to you, proceeding to shoot down any suggestion omitting that element like a Zoanthrope in an orphanage is... Odd.

Well, you assumed it about someone who it was not true of. So yes, I'm going to take offense when you assume that just because I find their current aesthetic to be attractive means that's the only thing I like about their current aesthetic.

If you place enough emphasis on it in practice, the distinction eventually ceases to matter.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:


Correct. You assumed the only thing I like about the Sororitas aesthetic is their physical attractiveness. You are, in fact. wrong about that.

Your fervent defense of the armour design, plus the fact that out of your reasons given only hotness was relevant to that design element at all.

I will not accuse you of obsession - I find there has been enough mud-slinging of the type - but if you are saying a design element is not important to you, proceeding to shoot down any suggestion omitting that element like a Zoanthrope in an orphanage is... Odd.

Well, you assumed it about someone who it was not true of. So yes, I'm going to take offense when you assume that just because I find their current aesthetic to be attractive means that's the only thing I like about their current aesthetic.

If you place enough emphasis on it in practice, the distinction eventually ceases to matter.

Are you confusing me for other people?

I mean, yes, I have tried to justify how it would make sense in the game's lore, but that's not really an unusual thing for me to do in general when it comes to something bizarre.

Also, I'm pretty sure one of my recent posts in this thread has said that as far as I'm concerned, the boobplate can stay or go so long as the overall shape of the new armor style is distinctly female.

Also the post you're talking about, where I reference three aesthetic qualities I wanted to see, wasn't about the boobplate in particular. I was talking about the entire model.

Ashiraya, can we just agree to disagree? At this point I highly doubt you can convince us otherwise, nor can we convince you.

Not to mention the issue was already quietly dropped like, 4-5 pages or so ago.

I hope it's not too late to jump in and re-visit these points.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I should point out that Potential Sisters recruits are taken from the Schola Progenium, which manages the Imperium's orphans.

Given just how much war happens in the imperium, there are a lot of orphans out there.

If I remember correctly; the Schola only take orphans of 'Imperial Adepts', Adepts being those individuals who are part of one of the large-interplanetary organisation that make up the core of the Imperium's institutions (Administratum, Naval Officers, Arbites, etc*). Typical imperial serf/factory worker/grox herder's child is not going to get in (under normal circumstances). So, not nearly as large a recruitment pool.

 Pouncey wrote:
A mold for a plastic sprue has to be made of very carefully cut aluminum. I've heard that the molds for a plastic model kit cost something like a million US dollars.

The metal the models are made of is a more expensive material than plastic, but plastic has more of an up-front cost in terms of making the molds.

Pouncey has it broadly right, though the costs for a mould run in the thousands-to-tens-of-thousands rather than the millions (thankfully). The original Bones KS was run to create a bunch of those type of metal moulds, and their inital goal was only $30 000.

 Gogsnik wrote:
Yeah, I'm not too bothered about boob plate myself either but the more I see it the more it doesn't look good to me, especially when you see (a very well done I might add) Sisters of Battle cosplay: you've got an actual woman wearing a good rendition of SoB powered armour and the boob plate more often than not looks out of place. Besides, I have a specific piece of artwork that I intend to use for my own version of a Sister and there is no boob plate and it definitely doesn't have heels.

I also like great big chunky, heavy plate armour concepts but what I've been thinking is that, there should be a basic SoB suit of powered armour and then something bulkier. Something along the lines of real world exo suits, like a sort of Sisters version of a Centurion, but, you know, something that would actually look good (and realistic and practical)!!!

I've dabbled in sculpting Sister-style armour myself, (though I kept the Boob-Plate) and I'd love to see what you come up with.

Also, as to the original topic: I could not be more in-favour of plastic sisters. Hell, I have a Living Saint conversion I've been planing for years that's dependant on at least Fine-cast Seraphim.

 Pendix wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
A mold for a plastic sprue has to be made of very carefully cut aluminum. I've heard that the molds for a plastic model kit cost something like a million US dollars.

The metal the models are made of is a more expensive material than plastic, but plastic has more of an up-front cost in terms of making the molds.

Pouncey has it broadly right, though the costs for a mould run in the thousands-to-tens-of-thousands rather than the millions (thankfully). The original Bones KS was run to create a bunch of those type of metal moulds, and their inital goal was only $30 000.

I'll admit I always wondered how GW could afford as many moulds as they do when their entire... amount of money spent in a year... was around 100 million.

Now I know.

Thanks! : D

 Manchu wrote:
The main reason that Sisters "existing" is a good thing is that it means there is still a possibility of Sisters getting revamped.

Chaos dwarfs went through a long period of non-existence before being added as an artillery unit to Chaos Warriors, and then having a small army list / model range done by Forgeworld to represent one city of the Chaos Dwarfs.

Perhaps existing actually gets in the way of a Forgeworld redo?

 Pouncey wrote:
Can we at least agree that women in heavy-duty sci-fi armor can be awesome, epic AND hot?

If you are saying that you find women like, say, Kia from the Saints Row series hot, yeah, we totally can.
Kia :


If you are trying to say that making them look hot should be a design goal when designing those women's armor, then we are going to disagree a lot.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Anyone else kinda wanna take a step back and realize that we are arguing over what fake plastic parts our toy soldiers have?

Sometimes I find myself hoping Sisters never get updated because Sisters' threads are the most entertaining (in a sad and pathetic kind of way).

 Pouncey wrote:


Also, I'm pretty sure one of my recent posts in this thread has said that as far as I'm concerned, the boobplate can stay or go so long as the overall shape of the new armor style is distinctly female.

Also the post you're talking about, where I reference three aesthetic qualities I wanted to see, wasn't about the boobplate in particular. I was talking about the entire model.

I am willing to agree to disagree, but it seems I need to clarify first.

My problem is not only the breastplate. My problem is that 'distinctively female' often means 'absurdly thin armour' which, yes, SoB have too (see legs for instance).

Subtlety and moderation are underrated. I am not saying SoB should look like this.



But rather more like this.



If you catch my meaning.