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Yeah but the game already has set parameters. You're introducing new ones, on top of the rules. As others have said, at that stage you're not playing Kill Team any more. You're playing a version that you have made up yourself.

The 40 Grot/Cultist/conscript thing is more about the time it takes to play.

Imagine moving and firing 40 individual units per turn. In a tournament environment.

A cap of 25 is better. However I appreciate Guard players or Grot players (though you can tank Grot tanks, and I think those would really shine in Kill Team) want to take a horde.

Caps aren't about eldar players (the perpetual villain of 40k) being bitter that Grots/Guard can compete, it's about wanting to complete a fairly small skirmish game before the actual 41st Millennium.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah but the game already has set parameters. You're introducing new ones, on top of the rules. As others have said, at that stage you're not playing Kill Team any more. You're playing a version that you have made up yourself.

I think I've said this when I posted it, but it's for a local tourney, why do people care so much about what happens at something they'll neither attend nor give a damn about to begin with?

If we are doing a Kill Team list building thread, shall we do a Kill Team painting thread as well?

I'm a Warseer refugee, so I mainly looked at that for the painting stuff. Is there a complex social hierarchy on Dakka that if I break it nerds will come and jump on my space barbies, or can I start a thread when I get home from work?

 BrookM wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah but the game already has set parameters. You're introducing new ones, on top of the rules. As others have said, at that stage you're not playing Kill Team any more. You're playing a version that you have made up yourself.

I think I've said this when I posted it, but it's for a local tourney, why do people care so much about what happens at something they'll neither attend nor give a damn about to begin with?

Do you know how the Internet works?!

Neronoxx wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah but the game already has set parameters. You're introducing new ones, on top of the rules. As others have said, at that stage you're not playing Kill Team any more. You're playing a version that you have made up yourself.

I think I've said this when I posted it, but it's for a local tourney, why do people care so much about what happens at something they'll neither attend nor give a damn about to begin with?

Do you know how the Internet works?!

A new tagline then?

Dakka Dakka | This is how you're supposed to have fun, you're doing it wrong!

Just seems weird that when GW makes their first real attempt at having Kill Team as a proper ruleset in years your first action is to organise a tournament and change the rules right away.

Ben2 wrote:
If we are doing a Kill Team list building thread, shall we do a Kill Team painting thread as well?

I'm a Warseer refugee, so I mainly looked at that for the painting stuff. Is there a complex social hierarchy on Dakka that if I break it nerds will come and jump on my space barbies, or can I start a thread when I get home from work?

Hoping to get started on my own Kill Team this weekend, so it'll be good to have a place to look for inspiration and motivation.

Think my Harlies and Deathwatch from Deathmasque will be doing double duty as my kill team project. May do a nifty Squat squad based on the inquisitor codex at some point though, or a proper Inquisitor warband with death cultists etc but using full on conversions.

Ben2 wrote:
If we are doing a Kill Team list building thread, shall we do a Kill Team painting thread as well?

I'm a Warseer refugee, so I mainly looked at that for the painting stuff. Is there a complex social hierarchy on Dakka that if I break it nerds will come and jump on my space barbies, or can I start a thread when I get home from work?

I'll second BrookM's post with:



I've got most of my Death Company killteam painted, but will need to paint up a couple of more for purpose to get the squad all the way fleshed out.

I'll be sure to post up what I have once you get the thread started.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Are there links to these kill team list building/ painting threads?

 General Kroll wrote:
Are there links to these kill team list building/ painting threads?

The painting/showcase thread, not yet. Ben2 hasn't created it as yet that I've found.

The tactics/list building thread is here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/701266.page

Hope that helps. Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

Are you serious? As if the Deathwatch has a million different ways to build a 200 point kill team. The disparity being discussed here is absolutely foundational to these Kill Team rules, and is the thing that makes them fundamentally unplayable.

So everyone else needs to have restrictions because poor old deathwatch just dont cut it at 200 points against some opponents?

yeah.......lol

From Facebook:

We had a go at our first Kill Team game using the new rules yesterday.

Eddie brought some Tyranids, and Sarah brought some warriors from the Tau Empire. We kept our Kill Teams pretty straightforward for our first game, but we're both already keen to try out some different combinations next time.

One of the great things about Kill Team is that you see every unit in a new light. Units that may sit in the background of a bigger game can be surprisingly effective in a smaller skirmish match-up like this one.

How are your Kill Teams coming along?

Hey! Quick Question,
do they release Kill Team tommorow and could i pick it up in my local GW (germany)?

Could have had a liiiiitle bit more terrain in that game! Genestealers rushing a blob of Tau in one building ain't too exciting!

Aexae wrote:
Hey! Quick Question,
do they release Kill Team tommorow and could i pick it up in my local GW (germany)?

It does indeed release tomorrow, and I would be very surprised if you couldn't pick it up in any GW store.

 Ambience 327 wrote:

Aexae wrote:
Hey! Quick Question,
do they release Kill Team tommorow and could i pick it up in my local GW (germany)?

It does indeed release tomorrow, and I would be very surprised if you couldn't pick it up in any GW store.

FLGS usually have GW new releases on the Weds before the "release" Friday. Ive seen GWs have it thursdays

 Ambience 327 wrote:

Aexae wrote:
Hey! Quick Question,
do they release Kill Team tommorow and could i pick it up in my local GW (germany)?

It does indeed release tomorrow, and I would be very surprised if you couldn't pick it up in any GW store.

It could be sold out. When Death Masque was released, I went to my local GW on Saturday about 2 hours after it had opened, and they were already sold out.

Also, the digital version of the rules will be for sale tomorrow too. If you're only interested in the rule, and don't mind a digital copy, that's a cheap option (less than 10€).

 MangoMadness wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

Are you serious? As if the Deathwatch has a million different ways to build a 200 point kill team. The disparity being discussed here is absolutely foundational to these Kill Team rules, and is the thing that makes them fundamentally unplayable.

So everyone else needs to have restrictions because poor old deathwatch just dont cut it at 200 points against some opponents?

yeah.......lol

Except thats hardly the only Codex which will have a problem vs a full Platoon. Anyone taking a small force will have a problem vs that. Or did you miss the comparison to 40 Cultists being a pain to deal with?

fresus wrote:

 Ambience 327 wrote:

Aexae wrote:
Hey! Quick Question,
do they release Kill Team tommorow and could i pick it up in my local GW (germany)?

It does indeed release tomorrow, and I would be very surprised if you couldn't pick it up in any GW store.

It could be sold out. When Death Masque was released, I went to my local GW on Saturday about 2 hours after it had opened, and they were already sold out.

Also, the digital version of the rules will be for sale tomorrow too. If you're only interested in the rule, and don't mind a digital copy, that's a cheap option (less than 10€).

Which is why you should always, always, always call ahead before just dropping in.

I would advise calling on Friday, asking if they have enough stock to be willing to hold something behind the counter for you to pick up on release day...or you could always preorder the New Hotness the week before.

This comes out tomorrow, has nobody seen the new rules yet? Are there no leaks?

A model count cap unfairly rewards elite armies.

I'm the first person, in this thread, to chime in about my experiences with horde tactics in Kill Team. I explored that option after my space marines force was shredded by Tau Pathfiders. While playing a single squad of Kill Team Space Marines is fluffy, it's simply not optimal given the rules. You are handicapping yourself, by limiting your offensive capabilities.

A tournament that limits model count, for time constraints, is definitely skewing what armies are viable in that setting, towards those that wear power armor.

Incidently, anyone thinking about participating in that tounament should invest in some Pathfinders with Rail Rifles, and perhaps a crisis suit with twin plasma.

Wow, I've become a villain or something now?

Tau are OP bastards in this setting for sure.

I have faced so much dual plasma (at least they can't deepstrike for a change!) and pathfinders with either the rifles or the ion thingies in this setting, makes you wish for tables with 100% terrain coverage.

 adamsouza wrote:
A model count cap unfairly rewards elite armies.

I'm the first person, in this thread, to chime in about my experiences with horde tactics in Kill Team. I explored that option after my space marines force was shredded by Tau Pathfiders. While playing a single squad of Kill Team Space Marines is fluffy, it's simply not optimal given the rules. You are handicapping yourself, by limiting your offensive capabilities.

A tournament that limits model count, for time constraints, is definitely skewing what armies are viable in that setting, towards those that wear power armor.

Incidently, anyone thinking about participating in that tounament should invest in some Pathfinders with Rail Rifles, and perhaps a crisis suit with twin plasma.

I hardly see it as skewing it solely towards Power Armor forces. There are plenty of Small Elite units out there which can take out power armor with ease, either through weight of fire or having AP3 Weapons.

Those crappy Tempestus Scions that nobody seems to like come to mind..

It could be worse I suppose. Our first Kill Team campaign two or so years ago had a model cap of ten models per team as decreed by the organizer (read: not me), which certainly left certain armies in quite a pickle.

Anyone know if there is a good force builder for the new version of KT?

Chances are that Army Builder program (can't remember the name of it) should have an updated module before the end of next week.

BattleScribe?

Could be, I'm not hip enough to use that stuff, I'm stuck with pen and paper.