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 Formosa wrote:

 Bulldogging wrote:
It's going to be Guilliman, the most boring choice.

no, guilliman is probably the choice that would have the biggest impact on the fluff, Lion (my fav), russ, vulkan to a lesser extent, are all warlords, and will sally forth to curb stomp the enemies of the imperium, guilliman will take stock of the current imperium, see the terrible state its in, and begin to reorganise, shaking the whole thing to its core.

I don't think it will ever happen, but I think that would be a cool thing for a 40k "End Times". Revamp the game without destroying it, and make things new and fresh. A "new Imperium" headed by Guilliman and the revised Ultramarines Legion. The imperium fractures. Finally a good in-game reason to have Wolves vs. Blood Angels or Ultramarines vs. Salamanders or Guard vs. Guard! Allow for Marine players to be able to more easily customize their forces, similar to Heresy with being loyalist/traitor.

It'll probably be Roughbutt Garglemoan, Primarch of the most boring Legion.

However, when he wakes up he will be suuuuper mad about the current states of things, so that could be exciting to see him whip everything into shape.


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I wonder if the other Astartes would fall in line if a Primarch returned, or if they would try and rebel against them. Interesting story possibilities.

Cephalobeard wrote:
It'll probably be Roughbutt Garglemoan, Primarch of the most boring Legion.

However, when he wakes up he will be suuuuper mad about the current states of things, so that could be exciting to see him whip everything into shape.


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I wonder if the other Astartes would fall in line if a Primarch returned, or if they would try and rebel against them. Interesting story possibilities.

Guilliman could be really mischuffed that his Chapter has gone Codex literal rather than as a springboard for ideas. The seeds of his intentions for the Codex Astartes have already been laid in the HH books.

I didn't buy Calth as Mk IV didn't look *hugely* different from current Marines.

Now, a box of MK III would make me buy in for sure!!!

 Crazyterran wrote:
If Dorn is out, that leaves us with (was mostly joking about Dorn..):

Guilliman standing up from his specially made stasis machine that heals, they introduced the machine in HH already (forgot the name)

The Lion wakes up from his beauty sleep.

Vulkan appears, after ditching the Imoerium like some kind of jackass for the last five thousand or so years.

Corax stops cutting himself and comes out of the eye of terror,

The Khan rides out of the depths of the Webeay to smack some people.

how...who let you read the script?!

MacMuckles wrote:
The new Khârn is another example of Chaos miniatures being overly designed and way too busy. Under all that crap might be a nice model, but I'm not going to buy $35 worth of plastic to chop most of it off. It's a firm pass for me; I'm better off converting my own. Maybe in the Dark Souls "Well? What is it?" pose...

30k Ahriman, however, is hitting all the right notes for me. It's looking like a great sculpt, a great way to showcase the capabilities of plastic without ruining the model by cramming it with unnecessary bitz and unneeded detail. An easy buy for me.

this. this is why I never got into chaos. I like space marines but CSM have too much on them

Crazyterran wrote:
If Sanguinius is done in anything less than Fw resin, I will feel ripped off, and I don't play Blood Angels. No way he will be nearly as majestic.

What am I missing here? How can he be a 40K Primarch when he died 10 000 years ago? What am I not seeing? Wish listing?

Handwavium.

If it suits the plan, a wizard will resurrect Sanginius and run away, or his final death cry will have echoed down through the millennia and he will be reborn etc.. etc..

Davor wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:
If Sanguinius is done in anything less than Fw resin, I will feel ripped off, and I don't play Blood Angels. No way he will be nearly as majestic.

What am I missing here? How can he be a 40K Primarch when he died 10 000 years ago? What am I not seeing? Wish listing?

Considering Sang is just about as close to a Jesus allegory as you can get, I have no doubt he will be resurrected at some point, somehow.

If they start bringing back lost primarchs 40K has well and truly jumped the shark.

How else would the 40k End Times plays out?

Mankind beset from all angles by threats across the universe.

The Gods of Chaos recognize now is the time to strike. The heretics spew forth from The Eye seeing their chance.

The Emperor stirs and ascends to his warp-God form giving him power to recall and resurrect his lost/dead sons .

HH2 - We're Here to Purge YOU!

GW could milk that for another 20 years.

 Zywus wrote:
If they start bringing back lost primarchs 40K has well and truly jumped the shark.

This. 1000x this.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
If they start bringing back lost primarchs 40K has well and truly jumped the shark.

This. 1000x this.

but if they only brought back living primarchs then it would be kind of unfair on BA players. DA has a living primarch, regular chapters do and the space wolves guy has actually been seen.

NivlacSupreme wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
If they start bringing back lost primarchs 40K has well and truly jumped the shark.

This. 1000x this.

but if they only brought back living primarchs then it would be kind of unfair on BA players. DA has a living primarch, regular chapters do and the space wolves guy has actually been seen.

Bohoo, soo unfair

To be fair, Bringing back any of the non-deamonic primarcs including the Lion and Russ would signify jumping the shark IMO. Throwing away the last vestiges of mystery and a setting with a sense of large scale in favour of a glorified 80's cartoon show with primarcs battling the monster of the week.

Pfft, how do you think Iron Hands players feel?

Iron hands should just CHOP to it to get A HEAD of the game. Bring back fulgrim!!

NivlacSupreme wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
If they start bringing back lost primarchs 40K has well and truly jumped the shark.

This. 1000x this.

but if they only brought back living primarchs then it would be kind of unfair on BA players. DA has a living primarch, regular chapters do and the space wolves guy has actually been seen.

That's one bad side of bringing back primarchesh. Chapters without logically living one(blood angels despite them being cool BECAUSE of primarch dying the way he did and iron hands. Chaos side night lords and black legions) would start complaining.

Better to have them at the background adding mystery.

Alas probably all bar Horus come back. Heck maybe even Horus...

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Pfft, how do you think Iron Hands players feel?

iron hands are part of the normal codex. actually. to keep suspense they might supply the primarchs with their own rules and say they can be played with any imperial army


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tneva82 wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
If they start bringing back lost primarchs 40K has well and truly jumped the shark.

This. 1000x this.

but if they only brought back living primarchs then it would be kind of unfair on BA players. DA has a living primarch, regular chapters do and the space wolves guy has actually been seen.

That's one bad side of bringing back primarchesh. Chapters without logically living one(blood angels despite them being cool BECAUSE of primarch dying the way he did and iron hands. Chaos side night lords and black legions) would start complaining.

Better to have them at the background adding mystery.

Alas probably all bar Horus come back. Heck maybe even Horus...

read my latest post. I said that maybe they should release the primarchs about 6 months after the codex with their own rules. and then say that they can be played non-foc lord of war.

NivlacSupreme wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
If they start bringing back lost primarchs 40K has well and truly jumped the shark.

This. 1000x this.

but if they only brought back living primarchs then it would be kind of unfair on BA players. DA has a living primarch, regular chapters do and the space wolves guy has actually been seen.

There is no unfair because you are all part of the imperium.
Even if GW decided to go super LoW for all not every faction has a super LoW.
I fully expect any primarchs that come back to be a shell of thier former selves.
Crazed out Vulcan, Emo corax, broken guilleman, mutated leman Russ, mechanical dorn, etc
But let's assume primarchs for all come back. I still don't expect every space marine to get one. It's not like non space marine factions have primarchs.
Sure you might get
monsterous creature sized the beast arises ghazkull
The tyranid hive mind
Necrons sleeping king or whatever it's called
Sisters of battle super sister like harroda
Eldar/Harley/dark eldar ynnead avatar
Chaos primarchs and chaos demon princes

But what do factions like
tau get? A super special giant farsight suit?
Imperial guard? Lord solar castellan creed <- would still get his arse whooped
Grey Knights/death watch/inqusition etc <- are they just SoL because no primarchs?

To expect every single faction to get a primarch equivilant is a joke it won't happen instead i believe you will get a Lord of war type army focal points to most army factions in the future sorta like warmahordes but less be all end all of the army list. (And there will be multiple choices for these lord of war type units for each faction). It fits into GW current design of introducing large models with each new codex update. I know every space marine player wants to feel like a special flower but no these is no entitlement for each chapter to have their own primarch return.

gungo wrote:
tau get? A super special giant farsight suit?

What would be so odd in that? Giant robot with more guns and hull points than law allows.

Imperial guard? Lord solar castellan creed <- would still get his arse whooped

Living saints/imperial hero infused with emperor's will making him/her superhuman "because magic".

Grey Knights/death watch/inqusition etc <- are they just SoL because no primarchs?

As above except base point is even better.

To expect every single faction to get a primarch equivilant is a joke it won't happen instead i believe you will get a Lord of war type army focal points to most army factions in the future sorta like warmahordes but less be all end all of the army list. (And there will be multiple choices for these lord of war type units for each faction). It fits into GW current design of introducing large models with each new codex update. I know every space marine player wants to feel like a special flower but no these is no entitlement for each chapter to have their own primarch return.

If GW feels they get more money it will happen. Doesn't matter does it fit existing fluff. It's their game. They can rewrite whatever. Doesn't matter old fluff said Horus was totally obiliterated flesh and soul. They can bring him back anyway "because chaos". Ditto for BA one.

I expect pretty much every primarch to return sooner or later. GW cares about money, not fluff continuatity. They can write fluff however they want. Eldar fall didnt' actually happen? They decide so, they can write it and players can do nothing to stop them doing that.

The Silent King would actually make for a pretty cool model, IMO. That would be awesome .

Just an aside, in the Beast Arises, it is pretty seriously implied that Dorn is not dead. Vulken mentions him a few times as if they still talk. I think Dorn just took it to the House.

My $$$ is on Guilleman or Vulkan.

NivlacSupreme wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
If they start bringing back lost primarchs 40K has well and truly jumped the shark.

This. 1000x this.

but if they only brought back living primarchs then it would be kind of unfair on BA players. DA has a living primarch, regular chapters do and the space wolves guy has actually been seen.

Who said life is fair? Where is that written?

Im fine with both of those choices as long as i can play them with my BA. on a different note aren't HH armys legal in 40K? i know you can have volkite weapons so what about primarchs


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shade1313 wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
If they start bringing back lost primarchs 40K has well and truly jumped the shark.

This. 1000x this.

but if they only brought back living primarchs then it would be kind of unfair on BA players. DA has a living primarch, regular chapters do and the space wolves guy has actually been seen.

Who said life is fair? Where is that written?

This isnt life. This is a wargame. game is right in the name

tneva82 wrote:

gungo wrote:
tau get? A super special giant farsight suit?

What would be so odd in that? Giant robot with more guns and hull points than law allows.

Since when do Gargantuan Monstrous Creatures get hull points?

NivlacSupreme wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Pfft, how do you think Iron Hands players feel?

iron hands are part of the normal codex. actually. to keep suspense they might supply the primarchs with their own rules and say they can be played with any imperial army

And they shouldn't be but they are because reasons

 Formosa wrote:

 Bulldogging wrote:
It's going to be Guilliman, the most boring choice.

no, guilliman is probably the choice that would have the biggest impact on the fluff, Lion (my fav), russ, vulkan to a lesser extent, are all warlords, and will sally forth to curb stomp the enemies of the imperium, guilliman will take stock of the current imperium, see the terrible state its in, and begin to reorganise, shaking the whole thing to its core.

Guilliman and to a lesser extent Dorn seem to be the two who would have the most effect on the wider Imperium IMO as well. Especially as Guilliman would effectively be stepping out myth from just after the Heresy. There would be many within the Imperium who would have a vested interest in keeping him in that stasis field.

I dont expect primarchs to be overpovered.
How could they be considering a setting with Imperial knights, wraith knights and whatever the TAU use these days.
And even if they focus on army wide boosting abilities, you have all kinds of cheesy formation bonuses to compete with.
(oh, the horror trying to navigate primarch super command abilities compatibility with formation shenanigans; I really hope they try to move avay from that).

But then again, those things might change by summer -17 for all we know.


I hope the first primarch is the Lion, because it would make the coolest model.
But If Gulliman show up, the storyline will go crazy, probably civil war crazy. So that would be cool to.

I'm sure Robert Sillyman would be incredibly powerful, if he is a fieldable unit. If they're similar to their 30k Counterparts, they will cost hundreds of points and have tons of abilities.

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 Bulldogging wrote:
It's going to be Guilliman, the most boring choice.

no, guilliman is probably the choice that would have the biggest impact on the fluff, Lion (my fav), russ, vulkan to a lesser extent, are all warlords, and will sally forth to curb stomp the enemies of the imperium, guilliman will take stock of the current imperium, see the terrible state its in, and begin to reorganise, shaking the whole thing to its core.

I don't think it will ever happen, but I think that would be a cool thing for a 40k "End Times". Revamp the game without destroying it, and make things new and fresh. A "new Imperium" headed by Guilliman and the revised Ultramarines Legion. The imperium fractures. Finally a good in-game reason to have Wolves vs. Blood Angels or Ultramarines vs. Salamanders or Guard vs. Guard! Allow for Marine players to be able to more easily customize their forces, similar to Heresy with being loyalist/traitor.

Unless the very first thing that happened upon Rowboat Girlyman trying to change things was 99.99% of humanity screaming "HERETIC! BURN THE WITCH!" before proceeding to roast him alive, they might as well just blow up the setting because whatever atrocious nonsense they came up with otherwise wouldn't be 40K any more in any meaningful sense.

The golden age is gone, past, finito, and all that remains is the creeping descent into madness, death, and oblivion. If the Primarchs come back and start forming little progressive mini-Imperiums with a well funded social security system and workman's comp for all the poor buggers who were given mining tools for hands, rather than to lead the Imperium in one last futile cataclysmic self-destructive battle against the darkness as was always indicated before then all the big build-up about "the Time of Ending/Wolftime/Really Really Darktimes No Serial It'll Be Dark Brah" will end in a wet wee fart.

Personally I've no truck with an advancing timeline, there's 10,000 years of story to monetise for GW and if people want to know what happens when the clock does finally tick over to midnight run the campaign yourselves, that's rather the point. But, if they do insist on bringing things to a head, they should have the sack to do it properly, which means killing the Golden Goose and starting from scratch, AoS-style.