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 streetsamurai wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
And this is why AoS is better than 40k currently.

lol. If your idea of fun is to continually roll dices to get 4+, and to prance around a table to get a reroll, AOS sure is a better game. And lol agains at AOS rules being clear. There's been a ton of complaints about how unclear and confusing the rules are despite being only 4 pages long

They removed the joke rules when they updated it, but I am not sure what the first is an insult to, and yeah most of the time the complaints have been by people who haven't actually read the rules once.

I do hope to see abbadon as something better though, that model is still so very aged.

 reds8n wrote:
.. guess that makes possessed the "tax unit" for the formations then.

I disagree. A "tax unit" is a bad unit you take in order to take the good stuff.

 Zewrath wrote:

jesper77 wrote:
I realy want to know how they are planning to sell this monster (VSG) ? With the current rules it's a thing to use but when the FAQ gets official it's not half as good. I bet they will make it immune to melta, haywire and grav even after the FAQ to increase sales.

Sorry, got lost in all the numerous pages that GW released as their drafts so I missed it, what exactly is it that nerfs the VSG in the FAQ?

The shield is no longer immune against grav, haywire and melta and the whole unit has to be inside the shield.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
And this is why AoS is better than 40k currently.

lol. If your idea of fun is to continually roll dices to get 4+, and to prance around a table to get a reroll, AOS sure is a better game. And lol agains at AOS rules being clear. There's been a ton of complaints about how unclear and confusing the rules are despite being only 4 pages long

They removed the joke rules when they updated it, but I am not sure what the first is an insult to, and yeah most of the time the complaints have been by people who haven't actually read the rules once.

I do hope to see abbadon as something better though, that model is still so very aged.

Hmm no. Just checked and they are still there on the warscrolls on their webpage, and they even put some on a fyreslayer. And yes, i guess that the one who complained about the rules being unclear didn't take the five minutes it take to read this 4 pages rag. Make sense. Anyway, this is off topic, and i have no desire to talk about aos any longer.

Yes a new abadon would be nice, but i hope they will release some new units too. So far weve seen kharn and arihman, and got a rumour about a new abadon. yet, no news on new kits

 streetsamurai wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
And this is why AoS is better than 40k currently.

lol. If your idea of fun is to continually roll dices to get 4+, and to prance around a table to get a reroll, AOS sure is a better game. And lol agains at AOS rules being clear. There's been a ton of complaints about how unclear and confusing the rules are despite being only 4 pages long

They removed the joke rules when they updated it, but I am not sure what the first is an insult to, and yeah most of the time the complaints have been by people who haven't actually read the rules once.

I do hope to see abbadon as something better though, that model is still so very aged.

Hmm no. Just checked and they are still there on the warscrolls on their webpage, and they even put some on a fyreslayer. And yes, i guess that the one who complained about the rules being unclear didn't take the five minutes it take to read this 4 pages rag. Make sense. Anyway, this is off topic, and i have no desire to talk about aos any longer.

Yes a new abadon would be nice, but i hope they will release some new units too. So far weve seen kharn and arihman, and got a rumour about a new abadon. yet, no news on new kits

The joke rules aren't in the actual AoS rules for almost every model. The ones you mean were just the tide-over rules to use the models in AoS at the start. As far as I know the only joke rule in the actual updated AoS rules are the Fyreslayer one.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
And this is why AoS is better than 40k currently.

lol. If your idea of fun is to continually roll dices to get 4+, and to prance around a table to get a reroll, AOS sure is a better game. And lol agains at AOS rules being clear. There's been a ton of complaints about how unclear and confusing the rules are despite being only 4 pages long

They removed the joke rules when they updated it, but I am not sure what the first is an insult to, and yeah most of the time the complaints have been by people who haven't actually read the rules once.

I do hope to see abbadon as something better though, that model is still so very aged.

Hmm no. Just checked and they are still there on the warscrolls on their webpage, and they even put some on a fyreslayer. And yes, i guess that the one who complained about the rules being unclear didn't take the five minutes it take to read this 4 pages rag. Make sense. Anyway, this is off topic, and i have no desire to talk about aos any longer.

Yes a new abadon would be nice, but i hope they will release some new units too. So far weve seen kharn and arihman, and got a rumour about a new abadon. yet, no news on new kits

I second that. I realy wanna see a large overhaul of chaos. A lot of the kits are utterly outdated, like Plague Marines.

Hmm no. Just checked and they are still there on the warscrolls on their webpage,

The one's that show an entire army's scrolls? Those would be the legacy scrolls, typically the updated rules are now on the model's page itself, With exceptions, <Many heroes got squatted so their rules can only be found in the legacy scrolls, same with Brettonia and TK, so if you use those armies you'll still be doing For the Cup! They are more amusing then anything else.


Yeah not going to lie, while I'm sure some armies may be more entitled to army updates (SoB), CSM has had some models that look desperately outdated or just poor in general. Would love to see some new sprue's to fix them up and hopefully give them a more pleasing aesthetic once they figure out what they actually want CSM to be.

With GWs recent penchant for including two new special characters sculpts with a box full of existing models, a campaign supplement, and mini rulebook, it would not supprise me to see Abadon leading a squad of Chaos Space Marines, CSM terminators, and Hellbrute against some comparable loyalist forces in a $150 box with his face on the included mini rulebook.

so ... found this

Those would be $US prices?

If favoured of chaos is a demon prince and 15 possessed, then it is one box of possessed for free. A reasonable discount but not my favourite models.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:So, if Abaddon got bumped, who'd take over as Chief Badguy of Chaos and/or Leader of the Black legion?

Abaddon isn't dying. The memes about his model being armless are going to die. They originate from his metal model having very heavy arms that refused to stay glued in place. A new plastic model likely won't have this problem.

tneva82 wrote:Where this Abbadon is going to die idea came from? If somebody saw new model then new model is plastic which means unlikely to get killed off in a hurry.

He isn't. I think the above poster misread my post about the *MEMES* about Abaddon dying as Abaddon himself dying.

Actually no, I was speculating about in-universe 'Line of succession', more or less, for Chaos. Who's Abby's Second in Command? Who might lead the Black Legion if he died or, you know, burbled for failing "for the last time"? Who commands forces loyal to the four Chaos gods that can actually leave the Eye, rather than the Primarchs who're stuck at home?

I figure Abby will be with us forever, and doubly-so if they release a new model for him, but, brainstorming.instead of one Big Bad who loses or the universe is destroyed, what about 'warlordism', where you get several smaller people striking out and doing their own thing, inflicting smaller wounds but being allowed to win, vs Abby's "Welp, guess we're done with the 40K universe. It was a good run," style of villainy.

Spinning this into pure fanfic here, I'd look for something akin to:

1 Khorne-following ragey guy
1 Tzeentch-following mystic type
1 Nurgle plaguey guy
1 Slanesshi wiggly git
(These four are classics for a reason, natch)

Then add a few more.
Clone of Horus, Junior. Younger, supposedly brilliant but not that powerful physically. Created by Fabius Bile, so he's not really trusted. Has no backing from the Chaos gods after abby "failed for the last time" and is trying to pick up support. REALLY wants to reclaim the Talon of Horus, for obvious reasons.(Can we call him 'Kebeshenuf'? I dunno.)

"I'm a Uniter, not a Divider!" ... someone (Word Bearer?) who sees the hole left and steps up, seeking to get the blessings of all four chaos gods and take over as the center of the line. Still early In his quest, obviously, but gives you an opening for stories.

"Captain Black" ... new head of the Black Legion, or, rather, the leader of the largest slice left after Abby goes down and the Chaos Gods express their displeasure. Doesn't pledge to any one god, more focuses on Marine war material and tactics instead of magic, has a large support base but few, if any, demons.

"Sneaky McInsidious" ... more of a cultist type, who favors gradually oozing over planets, converting the populace, and consuming from the inside since this whole "Drop a bunch of marines and screaming deamons from the sky" thing hasn't exactly worked out for them so well.

Prince Demonwings ... Somebody has to be all warped and yucky, right? Might wind up with Abby's demon sword, more likely that he's on a quest to reclaim it, knowing that it carries with it legitimacy of rule. (Kind of like how the clone's after the Talon)

Leaves plenty of room for Chaos players to create and cheer for their own guy to get some placement, moves the story forward (gasp!), and gives some more personality to "Da bad guys". Bonus: ou can sell 9 times as many character models.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
And this is why AoS is better than 40k currently.

lol. If your idea of fun is to continually roll dices to get 4+, and to prance around a table to get a reroll, AOS sure is a better game. And lol agains at AOS rules being clear. There's been a ton of complaints about how unclear and confusing the rules are despite being only 4 pages long

They removed the joke rules when they updated it, but I am not sure what the first is an insult to, and yeah most of the time the complaints have been by people who haven't actually read the rules once.

I do hope to see abbadon as something better though, that model is still so very aged.

Guess the 4+ thing is related to that AOS has not that much variety in target numbers being mostly 3+, 4+ and 5+. Often like 2 rolls one which is 4+ and one is 3+. d6 is already so limited scale one needs to use full range or it's "the same".

One problem 40k h2h chart has. It's basically "do I hit on 3+ or 4+".

For what it's worth, the formation of DP + Possessed in the BL supplement is called "The Tormented", so it looks like "Favored of Chaos" might be a new formation (or the same one made generic with a new name).

The current one is 1 Daemon Prince, 2-5 units of Possessed, Black Legion specific formation, has a rule where the Possessed have WS5/I5 and Rending by default, but if they aren't in combat you must make a Ld test and if you fail they can only move D6" for movement, but auto pass if they're within 18" of the Daemon Prince.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Hmm no. Just checked and they are still there on the warscrolls on their webpage,

The one's that show an entire army's scrolls? Those would be the legacy scrolls, typically the updated rules are now on the model's page itself, With exceptions, <Many heroes got squatted so their rules can only be found in the legacy scrolls, same with Brettonia and TK, so if you use those armies you'll still be doing For the Cup! They are more amusing then anything else.


Yeah not going to lie, while I'm sure some armies may be more entitled to army updates (SoB), CSM has had some models that look desperately outdated or just poor in general. Would love to see some new sprue's to fix them up and hopefully give them a more pleasing aesthetic once they figure out what they actually want CSM to be.

You are wrong again, since I've just checked the long beards warscroll and the mumbling rules is still there. And if you find these kind of rules amusing, lets just say that we have a very different defniniton of the word.


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tneva82 wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
And this is why AoS is better than 40k currently.

lol. If your idea of fun is to continually roll dices to get 4+, and to prance around a table to get a reroll, AOS sure is a better game. And lol agains at AOS rules being clear. There's been a ton of complaints about how unclear and confusing the rules are despite being only 4 pages long

They removed the joke rules when they updated it, but I am not sure what the first is an insult to, and yeah most of the time the complaints have been by people who haven't actually read the rules once.

I do hope to see abbadon as something better though, that model is still so very aged.

Guess the 4+ thing is related to that AOS has not that much variety in target numbers being mostly 3+, 4+ and 5+. Often like 2 rolls one which is 4+ and one is 3+. d6 is already so limited scale one needs to use full range or it's "the same".

One problem 40k h2h chart has. It's basically "do I hit on 3+ or 4+".

not only that, but a few options gives you the choice between hitting on a 3+ and wounding on a 4+ or hitting on a 4+ and wounding on a 3+. Which is statistically exactly the same thing, and really proves how shallow the game is.

Lol, anyway, this time I really means it, I'll stop this discussion since we are really steering off topic


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Chikout wrote:
If favoured of chaos is a demon prince and 15 possessed, then it is one box of possessed for free. A reasonable discount but not my favourite models.

that's a pretty gakky 25% discount. Don't most box usually gives a much better discount than this ?

Edit: Just checked and yes, most start collecting boxes are giving discount between 35% and 40%. So yeah, this box is not a really good deal. Especially considering that all models in it are rather old

Wakshaani wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Wakshaani wrote:So, if Abaddon got bumped, who'd take over as Chief Badguy of Chaos and/or Leader of the Black legion?

Abaddon isn't dying. The memes about his model being armless are going to die. They originate from his metal model having very heavy arms that refused to stay glued in place. A new plastic model likely won't have this problem.

tneva82 wrote:Where this Abbadon is going to die idea came from? If somebody saw new model then new model is plastic which means unlikely to get killed off in a hurry.

He isn't. I think the above poster misread my post about the *MEMES* about Abaddon dying as Abaddon himself dying.

Actually no, I was speculating about in-universe 'Line of succession', more or less, for Chaos. Who's Abby's Second in Command? Who might lead the Black Legion if he died or, you know, burbled for failing "for the last time"? Who commands forces loyal to the four Chaos gods that can actually leave the Eye, rather than the Primarchs who're stuck at home?

I figure Abby will be with us forever, and doubly-so if they release a new model for him, but, brainstorming.instead of one Big Bad who loses or the universe is destroyed, what about 'warlordism', where you get several smaller people striking out and doing their own thing, inflicting smaller wounds but being allowed to win, vs Abby's "Welp, guess we're done with the 40K universe. It was a good run," style of villainy.

Spinning this into pure fanfic here, I'd look for something akin to:

1 Khorne-following ragey guy
1 Tzeentch-following mystic type
1 Nurgle plaguey guy
1 Slanesshi wiggly git
(These four are classics for a reason, natch)

It's already established that Abbadon has an inner circle of general's each representing forces of one of the chaos gods. Each has their own warband and it's unlikely any would capitulate to anyone besides Horus. Unless Abaddon is killed in a way similar to how the emperor killed Horus, Abaddon would likely be brought back to life by the chaos gods.

You are wrong again, since I've just checked the long beards warscroll and the mumbling rules is still there. And if you find these kind of rules amusing, lets just say that we have a very different defniniton of the word.

I take you didn't actually read it considering it's now just one of three abilities, unless somehow the unit itself can talk since the former rule was "Old Grumblers: In your hero phase, you can complain about something in a suitably Dwarfish manner." which is now "In your hero phase, this unit will complain about something". Which means it's gone from "Do this LARP thing" and now "Pick an ability you'd like"... Somewhat noting of the irony of your previous snark about five minutes to read a few pages of rules.

not only that, but a few options gives you the choice between hitting on a 3+ and wounding on a 4+ or hitting on a 4+ and wounding on a 3+. Which is statistically exactly the same thing, and really proves how shallow the game is.

Probably due to far more abilities and things that modify the various stats, but hey if that's bothersome I understand that it's not for everyone, but yes this is offtopic.


So do we know anymore psychic abilities from the new book? Or is what's known just what's been posted so far.

Lol, you are absolutely right. Should teach me about reading lazily on my smartphone

 streetsamurai wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Hmm no. Just checked and they are still there on the warscrolls on their webpage,

The one's that show an entire army's scrolls? Those would be the legacy scrolls, typically the updated rules are now on the model's page itself, With exceptions, <Many heroes got squatted so their rules can only be found in the legacy scrolls, same with Brettonia and TK, so if you use those armies you'll still be doing For the Cup! They are more amusing then anything else.


Yeah not going to lie, while I'm sure some armies may be more entitled to army updates (SoB), CSM has had some models that look desperately outdated or just poor in general. Would love to see some new sprue's to fix them up and hopefully give them a more pleasing aesthetic once they figure out what they actually want CSM to be.

You are wrong again, since I've just checked the long beards warscroll and the mumbling rules is still there. And if you find these kind of rules amusing, lets just say that we have a very different defniniton of the word.


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tneva82 wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
And this is why AoS is better than 40k currently.

lol. If your idea of fun is to continually roll dices to get 4+, and to prance around a table to get a reroll, AOS sure is a better game. And lol agains at AOS rules being clear. There's been a ton of complaints about how unclear and confusing the rules are despite being only 4 pages long

They removed the joke rules when they updated it, but I am not sure what the first is an insult to, and yeah most of the time the complaints have been by people who haven't actually read the rules once.

I do hope to see abbadon as something better though, that model is still so very aged.

Guess the 4+ thing is related to that AOS has not that much variety in target numbers being mostly 3+, 4+ and 5+. Often like 2 rolls one which is 4+ and one is 3+. d6 is already so limited scale one needs to use full range or it's "the same".

One problem 40k h2h chart has. It's basically "do I hit on 3+ or 4+".

not only that, but a few options gives you the choice between hitting on a 3+ and wounding on a 4+ or hitting on a 4+ and wounding on a 3+. Which is statistically exactly the same thing, and really proves how shallow the game is.

Lol, anyway, this time I really means it, I'll stop this discussion since we are really steering off topic


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Chikout wrote:
If favoured of chaos is a demon prince and 15 possessed, then it is one box of possessed for free. A reasonable discount but not my favourite models.

that's a pretty gakky 25% discount. Don't most box usually gives a much better discount than this ?

Edit: Just checked and yes, most start collecting boxes are giving discount between 35% and 40%. So yeah, this box is not a really good deal. Especially considering that all models in it are rather old

That's cos its not a start collecting box? Its just a formation. Doesn't matter about the age.

As for the aos vs 40k rules debate. Both are crap. 40k is a mess and sooner 7th ed dies the better

 Motograter wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Hmm no. Just checked and they are still there on the warscrolls on their webpage,

The one's that show an entire army's scrolls? Those would be the legacy scrolls, typically the updated rules are now on the model's page itself, With exceptions, <Many heroes got squatted so their rules can only be found in the legacy scrolls, same with Brettonia and TK, so if you use those armies you'll still be doing For the Cup! They are more amusing then anything else.


Yeah not going to lie, while I'm sure some armies may be more entitled to army updates (SoB), CSM has had some models that look desperately outdated or just poor in general. Would love to see some new sprue's to fix them up and hopefully give them a more pleasing aesthetic once they figure out what they actually want CSM to be.

You are wrong again, since I've just checked the long beards warscroll and the mumbling rules is still there. And if you find these kind of rules amusing, lets just say that we have a very different defniniton of the word.


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tneva82 wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
And this is why AoS is better than 40k currently.

lol. If your idea of fun is to continually roll dices to get 4+, and to prance around a table to get a reroll, AOS sure is a better game. And lol agains at AOS rules being clear. There's been a ton of complaints about how unclear and confusing the rules are despite being only 4 pages long

They removed the joke rules when they updated it, but I am not sure what the first is an insult to, and yeah most of the time the complaints have been by people who haven't actually read the rules once.

I do hope to see abbadon as something better though, that model is still so very aged.

Guess the 4+ thing is related to that AOS has not that much variety in target numbers being mostly 3+, 4+ and 5+. Often like 2 rolls one which is 4+ and one is 3+. d6 is already so limited scale one needs to use full range or it's "the same".

One problem 40k h2h chart has. It's basically "do I hit on 3+ or 4+".

not only that, but a few options gives you the choice between hitting on a 3+ and wounding on a 4+ or hitting on a 4+ and wounding on a 3+. Which is statistically exactly the same thing, and really proves how shallow the game is.

Lol, anyway, this time I really means it, I'll stop this discussion since we are really steering off topic


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Chikout wrote:
If favoured of chaos is a demon prince and 15 possessed, then it is one box of possessed for free. A reasonable discount but not my favourite models.

that's a pretty gakky 25% discount. Don't most box usually gives a much better discount than this ?

Edit: Just checked and yes, most start collecting boxes are giving discount between 35% and 40%. So yeah, this box is not a really good deal. Especially considering that all models in it are rather old

That's cos its not a start collecting box? Its just a formation. Doesn't matter about the age.

As for the aos vs 40k rules debate. Both are crap. 40k is a mess and sooner 7th ed dies the better

Even the "last?" remaining non-start collecting box bundle, the Tyranid swarm, has a much better discount than this. (38% discount ).
THis box set is not terrible, but it's nothing too exciting either

 aracersss wrote:
so ... found this

Welp, looks like Chaos got their update. That should tide them over for the next 3 years.

So... when does the next SM flyer drop?

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
so ... found this

Welp, looks like Chaos got their update. That should tide them over for the next 3 years.

So... when does the next SM flyer drop?

I get you are trying to be funny....

But it's really not anymore.

We haven't seen next weeks leaks, so maybe wait till then?

Neronoxx wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
so ... found this

Welp, looks like Chaos got their update. That should tide them over for the next 3 years.

So... when does the next SM flyer drop?

I get you are trying to be funny....

But it's really not anymore.

We haven't seen next weeks leaks, so maybe wait till then?

Sure thing, boss. We haven't seen the week after next either. Or the one after that. Should probably hold off commenting for the next year at least just to be on the safe side.

Favoured of Chaos? Maybe Chosen although it would be odd to not call them just Chosen. At least Chaos is getting things finally!

I take it you didn't spot the $105 price tag?

It's almost certainly a bundle of some sort

Warp Rider wrote:
Favoured of Chaos? Maybe Chosen although it would be odd to not call them just Chosen. At least Chaos is getting things finally!

Nope. Possessed + Daemon Prince rebox. No new models except Kharn.

New rules though. I'm sure they'll be well thought out and powerful and not at all phoned in. I'm so excited I can hardly wait.

Warp Rider wrote:
Favoured of Chaos? Maybe Chosen although it would be odd to not call them just Chosen. At least Chaos is getting things finally!

That's the Daemon Prince and Possessed bundle, I would assume.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Warp Rider wrote:
Favoured of Chaos? Maybe Chosen although it would be odd to not call them just Chosen. At least Chaos is getting things finally!

Nope. Possessed + Daemon Prince rebox. No new models except Kharn.

New rules though. I'm sure they'll be well thought out and powerful and not at all phoned in. I'm so excited I can hardly wait.

I'm guessing a lot of fear and soul blaze sadly.

 buddha wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Warp Rider wrote:
Favoured of Chaos? Maybe Chosen although it would be odd to not call them just Chosen. At least Chaos is getting things finally!

Nope. Possessed + Daemon Prince rebox. No new models except Kharn.

New rules though. I'm sure they'll be well thought out and powerful and not at all phoned in. I'm so excited I can hardly wait.

I'm guessing a lot of fear and soul blaze sadly.

Hatred. Traitors gonna hate.

Ouch, $35 for kharn! Jeez, gw has been doing a lot of good to try to win back the ground they lost in the gaming community, but they need to be more competative on their pricing.

But hey, new chaos is good