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2016/08/31 23:15:56
Subject: GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement
streetsamurai wrote: Well i guess of the primarch really are coming back has it is rumoured, Abadon will probably get a major upgrading in power, cause i doubt that they want him to play second fiddle
Didn't Abaddon defeat a primarch in one of the books? Before getting Drach'nyen too.
2016/08/31 23:35:01
Subject: GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement
Motograter wrote: Shame if its not. 7th ed needs to die and 40K is desperate for a new direction. What better than a complete redo. Hell game needs it
Sad Panda/Atia have both stated that there is a new edition in the works.
Sad Panda has also been fairly adamant that it is not a "Sigmaring" of the setting however.
Does the mean the setting like Aos got rid of Fantasy? So does this mean that the rules can be Simgmared?
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:Less AoS, more complaining about CSM please!
We don't get releases very often so we really need to take full advantage of this opportunity for on-topic whinging to the fullest extent permitted by law. For those of you who enjoy CSM belly-aching I think you're in for a real treat this week!
Oh this is just beautiful
Well done.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
2016/08/31 23:42:24
Subject: GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement
Motograter wrote: Shame if its not. 7th ed needs to die and 40K is desperate for a new direction. What better than a complete redo. Hell game needs it
Sad Panda/Atia have both stated that there is a new edition in the works.
Sad Panda has also been fairly adamant that it is not a "Sigmaring" of the setting however.
Does the mean the setting like Aos got rid of Fantasy? So does this mean that the rules can be Simgmared?
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:Less AoS, more complaining about CSM please!
We don't get releases very often so we really need to take full advantage of this opportunity for on-topic whinging to the fullest extent permitted by law. For those of you who enjoy CSM belly-aching I think you're in for a real treat this week!
Oh this is just beautiful
Well done.
Anybody who doesn't understand why long time chaos players who have spent thousands on GW products over the past two decades or so might have legitimate gripes about the state of chaos in recent years either has a myopic view of the game or is a troll. Or both...
But by all means continue with the condescending banter.
Motograter wrote: Shame if its not. 7th ed needs to die and 40K is desperate for a new direction. What better than a complete redo. Hell game needs it
Sad Panda/Atia have both stated that there is a new edition in the works.
Sad Panda has also been fairly adamant that it is not a "Sigmaring" of the setting however.
Does the mean the setting like Aos got rid of Fantasy? So does this mean that the rules can be Simgmared?
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:Less AoS, more complaining about CSM please!
We don't get releases very often so we really need to take full advantage of this opportunity for on-topic whinging to the fullest extent permitted by law. For those of you who enjoy CSM belly-aching I think you're in for a real treat this week!
Oh this is just beautiful
Well done.
Anybody who doesn't understand why long time chaos players who have spent thousands on GW products over the past two decades or so might have legitimate gripes about the state of chaos in recent years either has a myopic view of the game or is a troll. Or both...
But by all means continue with the condescending banter.
Condescending? When it comes to CSM griping I'm the worst offender! (Ok, maybe second worst after Experiment626.) I really am looking forward to this week's releases because a) I love me some CSM complaining and b) I'm a masochist. C'mon, GW! Do your worst!
2016/09/01 00:00:04
Subject: GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement
Given that GW so seldom seem to achieve what they intend, by baiting them to do their worst, Traitor's Hate may now actually be ok.
Above average even.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Given that GW so seldom seem to achieve what they intend, by baiting them to do their worst, Traitor's Hate may now actually be ok.
Above average even.
That would be a disaster! Given there is about a 0% chance this supplement makes CSM actually good, I would be genuinely dissappointed if it made them less bad. If we can't enjoy playing the army at least let us continue to enjoy complaining about how bad it is!
2016/09/01 00:10:50
Subject: GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement
streetsamurai wrote: Well i guess of the primarch really are coming back has it is rumoured, Abadon will probably get a major upgrading in power, cause i doubt that they want him to play second fiddle
Didn't Abaddon defeat a primarch in one of the books? Before getting Drach'nyen too.
He defeated Horus!
"You're not the best but you're the best we've got."
2016/09/01 00:21:11
Subject: Re:GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: We don't get releases very often so we really need to take full advantage of this opportunity for on-topic whinging to the fullest extent permitted by law. For those of you who enjoy CSM belly-aching I think you're in for a real treat this week!
I, for one, can't wait to see how my Word Bearers, Alpha Legion, Death Guard and Iron Warriors have been completely ignored again in favour of the Black "Of all the Legions, why did we get a special book?" Legion, and Generic Studio Army #3348-H... the Crimson... something, or whatever they're called.
And it's going to be so awesome when we get the army-wide special rule that lets us cause Fear!
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Abadabadoobaddon wrote: We don't get releases very often so we really need to take full advantage of this opportunity for on-topic whinging to the fullest extent permitted by law. For those of you who enjoy CSM belly-aching I think you're in for a real treat this week!
I, for one, can't wait to see how my Word Bearers, Alpha Legion, Death Guard and Iron Warriors have been completely ignored again in favour of the Black "Of all the Legions, why did we get a special book?" Legion, and Generic Studio Army #3348-H... the Crimson... something, or whatever they're called.
And it's going to be so awesome when we get the army-wide special rule that lets us cause Fear!
Don't worry. I'm sure by the time Age of Emprah rolls around they'll have "advanced the plot" far enough that all the warbands of those former legions will have joined the Black Legion (or Crimson Slaughter for some reason whateverwhocaresamirite?)
2016/09/01 00:38:39
Subject: Re:GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement
Motograter wrote: Shame if its not. 7th ed needs to die and 40K is desperate for a new direction. What better than a complete redo. Hell game needs it
Sad Panda/Atia have both stated that there is a new edition in the works.
Sad Panda has also been fairly adamant that it is not a "Sigmaring" of the setting however.
Does the mean the setting like Aos got rid of Fantasy? So does this mean that the rules can be Simgmared?
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:Less AoS, more complaining about CSM please!
We don't get releases very often so we really need to take full advantage of this opportunity for on-topic whinging to the fullest extent permitted by law. For those of you who enjoy CSM belly-aching I think you're in for a real treat this week!
Oh this is just beautiful
Well done.
Anybody who doesn't understand why long time chaos players who have spent thousands on GW products over the past two decades or so might have legitimate gripes about the state of chaos in recent years either has a myopic view of the game or is a troll. Or both...
But by all means continue with the condescending banter.
Please explain to me how am I condescending? First quote I did was I asking how he was taking "setting aspect". Second quote I thought it was funny what the person said. So how am I trolling here? I was giving him praise for being funny and making me laugh?
How that is condescending is beyond me. Please explain.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
2016/09/01 01:45:23
Subject: GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement
Jehan-reznor wrote: I hope they will return focus on the original traitor chapters and not invent some new warbands
Not looking hopeful on the legion front. They're shoehorning in Crimson Slaughter. A warband that didn't exist the first time Chaos won the 13th Black Crusade. A warband they created for the sole purpose of being the red CSM to complement the Dark Angels color scheme in the starter set but didn't want to use Word Bearers becuz Chaos is warbanz.
2016/09/01 02:01:21
Subject: GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: We don't get releases very often so we really need to take full advantage of this opportunity for on-topic whinging to the fullest extent permitted by law. For those of you who enjoy CSM belly-aching I think you're in for a real treat this week!
I, for one, can't wait to see how my Word Bearers, Alpha Legion, Death Guard and Iron Warriors have been completely ignored again in favour of the Black "Of all the Legions, why did we get a special book?" Legion, and Generic Studio Army #3348-H... the Crimson... something, or whatever they're called.
And it's going to be so awesome when we get the army-wide special rule that lets us cause Fear!
My Death Guard continue to look on in distaste from their position on top of the pile of corpses of their slain foes. (By Papa Nurgle i love playing them in Heralds of Ruin Kill team)
Meh, i wasnt all that inspired. Now, some of their relics are definitely neat and i will give props n the Possessed mutation chart. I actually thought theirs was kinda cool.
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There's nothing about Crimson Laughter that wouldn't have been better served being incorporated into a Word Bearers supplement.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Azreal13 wrote: There's nothing about Crimson Laughter that wouldn't have been better served being incorporated into a Word Bearers supplement.
Not to knock an original chapter like word bearers but Crimson slaughter is a much cooler name for a chaos faction. It's also cooler representing the fact chaos space marines still had more recent chapters and possessed and aren't just a slowly dying force of 30k marines. But like demonkin chaos space marines have a lot more variety than just emo space marines.
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2016/09/01 03:18:15
Subject: GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement
Crimson Slaughter is the embodiment of GW's modern approach to CSM. A contrivance whose sole reason for existence is to serve as a foil for the heroes. Giving them their own supplement was a huge slap in the face to all the fans of the forgotten downplayed traitor legions, who gravitated to the army back in the day when there were still studio members who actually had a vision for the faction as something more than target practice for SM.
2016/09/01 03:23:55
Subject: Re:GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: We don't get releases very often so we really need to take full advantage of this opportunity for on-topic whinging to the fullest extent permitted by law. For those of you who enjoy CSM belly-aching I think you're in for a real treat this week!
I, for one, can't wait to see how my Word Bearers, Alpha Legion, Death Guard and Iron Warriors have been completely ignored again in favour of the Black "Of all the Legions, why did we get a special book?" Legion, and Generic Studio Army #3348-H... the Crimson... something, or whatever they're called.
And it's going to be so awesome when we get the army-wide special rule that lets us cause Fear!
At least Death Guard plague stuff has been usable since 4th.
2016/09/01 03:56:43
Subject: GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement
Azreal13 wrote: There's nothing about Crimson Laughter that wouldn't have been better served being incorporated into a Word Bearers supplement.
Not to knock an original chapter like word bearers but Crimson slaughter is a much cooler name for a chaos faction. It's also cooler representing the fact chaos space marines still had more recent chapters and possessed and aren't just a slowly dying force of 30k marines. But like demonkin chaos space marines have a lot more variety than just emo space marines.
Somebody hold me back...
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Kanluwen wrote: Figuring out Weapon Skill rolls? There's no easy way to do that beyond rote memorization. There is no sensible pattern beyond the fact that it caps out at a minimum of 3+'s to hit and that comes from you hitting anything BELOW your Weapon Skill, 4'+s to hit against the same Weapon Skill, and 5+'s for anything above your Weapon Skill. 6+'s to hit can happen but are related to specific circumstances(Psyker abilities or the like).
Umm you realize to hit chart 100% follows simple formula? There's no exceptions, no irregularities. It's absolutely NOT needed for rote memorization. If you are trying to remember that by rote memorization you are doing it wrong.
You rote memory something that's irregular and full of exception. You don't rote memorize something that follows pattern. You rote memorize irregular verbs. You rote memorize value of pi to whatever decimals you want. You don't rote memorize every regular verb. I would be stupid as hell to rote memorize how to conjugate japanese verb for eat, open door, making tea etc when all those follow SAME RULE. Instead I learn that rule and then can whoops figure out conjugation for specific verb just like that.
Similary you don't rote memorize that stupid chart. The rule to create it is so simple anybody past 2nd grade can do it. And in return it makes it that grot isn't hitting avatar of god of war same as hitting a rock.
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2016/09/01 05:51:02
Subject: GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement
Azreal13 wrote: There's nothing about Crimson Laughter that wouldn't have been better served being incorporated into a Word Bearers supplement.
Not to knock an original chapter like word bearers but Crimson slaughter is a much cooler name for a chaos faction. It's also cooler representing the fact chaos space marines still had more recent chapters and possessed and aren't just a slowly dying force of 30k marines. But like demonkin chaos space marines have a lot more variety than just emo space marines.
That is a matter of your personal opinion, which differs from a lot of other CSM players, myself included. Crimson sLaughter is a bad joke to a very large number of us.
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2016/09/01 06:29:15
Subject: GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement
Azreal13 wrote: There's nothing about Crimson Laughter that wouldn't have been better served being incorporated into a Word Bearers supplement.
Not to knock an original chapter like word bearers but Crimson slaughter is a much cooler name for a chaos faction. It's also cooler representing the fact chaos space marines still had more recent chapters and possessed and aren't just a slowly dying force of 30k marines. But like demonkin chaos space marines have a lot more variety than just emo space marines.
That is a matter of your personal opinion, which differs from a lot of other CSM players, myself included. Crimson sLaughter is a bad joke to a very large number of us.
A very large number of you should take things less personally methinks.
Crimson Slaughter is cool.
Word Bearers are cool.
Get over it?
Not directly responding to you, mind you.
2016/09/01 06:40:53
Subject: GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement
Azreal13 wrote: There's nothing about Crimson Laughter that wouldn't have been better served being incorporated into a Word Bearers supplement.
Not to knock an original chapter like word bearers but Crimson slaughter is a much cooler name for a chaos faction. It's also cooler representing the fact chaos space marines still had more recent chapters and possessed and aren't just a slowly dying force of 30k marines. But like demonkin chaos space marines have a lot more variety than just emo space marines.
That is a matter of your personal opinion, which differs from a lot of other CSM players, myself included. Crimson sLaughter is a bad joke to a very large number of us.
A very large number of you should take things less personally methinks.
Crimson Slaughter is cool.
Word Bearers are cool.
Get over it?
Not directly responding to you, mind you.
Look at all the infighting and hurt egos....like in a real warband
Really nervous about this release. This will either be the last nail in the coffin for some people in my group or the last glimpse of hope.
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stealth992 wrote: ...
Or you can just keep buying chaos everything, and not play them. Just sit alone in your room for years, painting and detailing, and detailing some more. Then keep doing that for years until you own upwards of 10000 points of chaos. Keep shining their swords and sharpening their knives. Then some day, some wonderful day, when a new book comes out that will realize your armies' potential, come out from hiding. Everyone will have thought you had left warhammer 40k for good, but no, you had been training, preparing, and brooding for this moment. Return with such vengeance and hatred that you will not hold back, and you will destroy everything in your path. Like a true chaos crusade, wait for the right moment, then burst forth from the Eye of Terror and unleash your pain on the whole universe. And when they cry and complain that you are OP and that it's not fair. Reassure them that it's true. It isn't fair, but it's what they DESERVE. All of them, each and every one of them deserve to be obliterated into oblivion. And if they ask you to play with a fluffy army, tell them you will do so. But on game day bring the meanest nastiest, ugliest army you can. Give them no opportunity for victory, give them no opportunity for enjoyment. Your only goal is to inflict as much pain and suffering as possible. And when they cry, and they will cry, laugh at them, drink their salty tears, and bath in their sweet, sweet blood.
2016/09/01 07:47:48
Subject: GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement
Motograter wrote: Shame if its not. 7th ed needs to die and 40K is desperate for a new direction. What better than a complete redo. Hell game needs it
Sad Panda/Atia have both stated that there is a new edition in the works.
Sad Panda has also been fairly adamant that it is not a "Sigmaring" of the setting however.
Does the mean the setting like Aos got rid of Fantasy? So does this mean that the rules can be Simgmared?
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:Less AoS, more complaining about CSM please!
We don't get releases very often so we really need to take full advantage of this opportunity for on-topic whinging to the fullest extent permitted by law. For those of you who enjoy CSM belly-aching I think you're in for a real treat this week!
Oh this is just beautiful
Well done.
No. See other reply later on. The setting is ok but the rules are complete crap. Though to be fair when they did destroy the old world and brought in AoS I thought it was brilliant as fantasy sucked hard
2016/09/01 08:34:54
Subject: GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement
And here is where we revert to yet another fight over AoS when we are in a 40k thread.....
Looking at the prices for the Limited Edition, I simply cannot justify 185 bucks for that. the regular edition plus the cards, that I can defiantly afford. However, if people want to spend more money on the LE than they would an Imperial Knight, they are more than welcome though. I wish you could have bought the tactical cards separate as well without having to buy the LE.
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