GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement

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**SicSemperTyrannis**

King Pyrrhus wrote:
The limited edition price seems crazy to me. £110 is way more then I'm willing to pay.
Seeing as the normal version of the book is £30, I was expecting £50 and I might have paid £60. Instead now I'll just buy the normal version from my flgs for 20% off.

~~War~~ GW never changes.

**Roknar**

-scratch that... I was up all night -_-

**Joyboozer**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
So the Aussie prices are up.

Kharn is more expensive than (in pricing order, and again not including Monstrous Creatures):

1. Blood Angel Chaplain
2. Blood Angel Terminator Librarian
3. Space Marine Command Squad (WTF?)
4. The combined set that has the plastic Marine Captain, Chaplain and Librarian in one bundle (WT-F'ing-F!!!)
5. The (also blatantly overpriced) Tech-Priest Enginseer
6. Big Mek w/Shokk Attack Gun
7. The Space Marine Captain box
8. Twice the price of the BA Termy Libby.
9. Over twice the price of every other HQ mini, from the Painboy through to Colonel 'Iron Hand' Straken.

The only command units more expensive are the Tech-Priest dude from the Ad Mech army (but you can get him in the Starterbox so who cares), the two-pack 30K heroes, the Crisis Commander... and that's it (exclusding Squad + HQ bundles).

I say again:

What.
The.
Feth.
GW?

Yeah, but an Australian chaos players cost of living is so much higher than one who plays space marines, everything is more expensive, chaos cars, chaos golf clubs, chaos scuba diving....

**Warhams-77**

The digital previews arent online afaik but the product page on BL.com is showing a bit more than GW's

http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/traitors-hate-tablet.html

Ebook preview downloads should work any minute now, itune's doesn't yet

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**Slaanesh-Devotee**

streetsamurai wrote:
Ho wow. Just check the rates and the nez Zealand dollar is pretty much equivalent to the canadian dollar. Is there really people over there who buy these insanely priced minis?

Not many

**reds8n**

is this sorceror new ?

**Roknar**

I'm pretty certain I've seen that guy somewhere before.

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pretty sure it's this one:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-EU/Chaos-Space-Marines-Sorcerer

**Warhams-77**

It is the 2012 finecast model, edit. If they havent redone him in plastic which I doubt

**reds8n**

of course.

apologies.

**Davor**

Chikout wrote:As I said before, try complaining directly to Gw.(in a slighty more polite way than what the f.) Alternatively don't buy the mini.

A lot of us are doing that now. That is why this is so surprising. GW is still up to it's old tricks.

SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
King Pyrrhus wrote:
The limited edition price seems crazy to me. £110 is way more then I'm willing to pay.
Seeing as the normal version of the book is £30, I was expecting £50 and I might have paid £60. Instead now I'll just buy the normal version from my flgs for 20% off.

~~War~~ GW never changes.

I was going to say this but thought, yes GW is changing. Then again, maybe they are not, just using smoke and mirrors now and instead of the saviour of the game for us, Mr Roundtree is just a magician.

**ImAGeek**

Or maybe change takes time.

**JohnnyHell**

It's a 2012 Finecast one.

**Warhams-77**

The Enhanced ebook sample isnt telling much, although I'm now more looking forward to the book, and just ordered the printed copy for 31 EUR in the UK

**SicSemperTyrannis**

Atleast the cards are a bit more specific about what their disciplines do. I have no clue about the SM Cards. Are these now roughly copied from SM or not?

Spoiler:

**Warhams-77**

The disciplines are heretic variants of the SM's, the powers themselves are rumored to be a mix of loyalist and new ones.

**VeteranNoob**

Chikout wrote:
As I said before, try complaining directly to Gw.(in a slighty more polite way than what the f.) Alternatively don't buy the mini.

Still email in the brief note about concerns with pricing beyond way uneven between currencies.

**Daedalus81**

VeteranNoob wrote:

Still email in the brief note about concerns with pricing beyond way uneven between currencies.

It isn't as simple as plugging in the exchange rate. People have no idea how trade works and think that it's free trade everywhere. Then you have to worry about taxes and repatriating profits. Do people really think GW is overcharging for the fun of it?

To import a car to NZ from the UK as an example it's roughly 3000 pounds in duties and documentation. GW product will fall under luxury goods

**jullevi**

Void Shield Generator looks nice in plastic. Sign me up for a pair! I missed it out last time.

**Bluebeard**

Daedalus81 wrote:
VeteranNoob wrote:

Still email in the brief note about concerns with pricing beyond way uneven between currencies.

It isn't as simple as plugging in the exchange rate. People have no idea how trade works and think that it's free trade everywhere. Then you have to worry about taxes and repatriating profits. Do people really think GW is overcharging for the fun of it?

To import a car to NZ from the UK as an example it's roughly 3000 pounds in duties and documentation. GW product will fall under luxury goods

Well said.

**Roknar**

Warhams-77 wrote:
The disciplines are heretic variants of the SM's, the powers themselves are rumored to be a mix of loyalist and new ones.

What's this rumour about them being a mix? So far I've only heard that they would be the same.

**Nightlord1987**

Heldrake Formation has me interested...

Now if only I could get an Obliterator formation and a Spawn one next!

**Sammoth**

Favoured of Chaos and new Kharn has me interested. New formation is a plus esp for CSM.

No new model for Abbadon.

**ImAGeek**

Sammoth wrote:
Favoured of Chaos and new Kharn has me interested. New formation is a plus esp for CSM.

No new model for Abbadon.

Well, not yet. This is only the first book.

**Slayer-Fan123**

SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
Atleast the cards are a bit more specific about what their disciplines do. I have no clue about the SM Cards. Are these now roughly copied from SM or not?

Spoiler:

- Sinistrum Discipline: tear away the psychic energies of your foes, bolster your own, and annihilate with hideous curses from the darkness of the void;
- Heretech Discipline: drive your mind into the inner workings of enemy war machines, dominate their machine spirits with the cruel will of a torturer and make armoured might into weakness;
- Ectomancy Discipline: draw upon the power of the Warp, manifesting crackling black lightning with which to scorch the foe, burn projectiles out of the air or tear holes in reality;
- Geomortis Discipline: rip open great chasms, cause the ground itself to erupt in geysers of razor-sharp rock or even reshape the world into a form more – or less – pleasing to the eye.

Those tables are fun, so I'm happy that CSM would have access to them.

**EnTyme**

For those comparing Kharn to price of other plastic HQs, also remember the Kharm is a unique model, meaning most people will only ever include one in their collection. The HQs I'm seeing named as examples are generics. I honestly expect all named/unique HQs to cost more than generics.

**Sersi**

I just hope there is at least some representation of the other cults besides Khorne. Give me a relentless Noise Marine formation and all is forgiven.

**harkequin**

SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
Atleast the cards are a bit more specific about what their disciplines do. I have no clue about the SM Cards. Are these now roughly copied from SM or not?

Spoiler:

- Sinistrum Discipline: tear away the psychic energies of your foes, bolster your own, and annihilate with hideous curses from the darkness of the void;
- Heretech Discipline: drive your mind into the inner workings of enemy war machines, dominate their machine spirits with the cruel will of a torturer and make armoured might into weakness;
- Ectomancy Discipline: draw upon the power of the Warp, manifesting crackling black lightning with which to scorch the foe, burn projectiles out of the air or tear holes in reality;
- Geomortis Discipline: rip open great chasms, cause the ground itself to erupt in geysers of razor-sharp rock or even reshape the world into a form more – or less – pleasing to the eye.

That's pretty much Identical to the SM ones
Librarius - anti psychic
Technomancy - Vehicles
Fulmination - lightning
Geomancy - Earth

**Azreal13**

Bluebeard wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:
VeteranNoob wrote:

Still email in the brief note about concerns with pricing beyond way uneven between currencies.

It isn't as simple as plugging in the exchange rate. People have no idea how trade works and think that it's free trade everywhere. Then you have to worry about taxes and repatriating profits. Do people really think GW is overcharging for the fun of it?

To import a car to NZ from the UK as an example it's roughly 3000 pounds in duties and documentation. GW product will fall under luxury goods

Well said.

The import duty into New Zealand on toys (including scale models) is 5%.

The mark up over UK is almost 100%.

Unless they're flying them out in hand luggage, it's difficult to justify based on import costs.

**ImAGeek**

Azreal13 wrote:
Bluebeard wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:
VeteranNoob wrote:

Still email in the brief note about concerns with pricing beyond way uneven between currencies.

It isn't as simple as plugging in the exchange rate. People have no idea how trade works and think that it's free trade everywhere. Then you have to worry about taxes and repatriating profits. Do people really think GW is overcharging for the fun of it?

To import a car to NZ from the UK as an example it's roughly 3000 pounds in duties and documentation. GW product will fall under luxury goods

Well said.

The import duty into New Zealand on toys (including scale models) is 5%.

The mark up over UK is almost 100%.

Unless they're flying them out in hand luggage, it's difficult to justify based on import costs.

Well said.

**Roknar**

Sersi wrote:
I just hope there is at least some representation of the other cults besides Khorne. Give me a relentless Noise Marine formation and all is forgiven.

Well they do mention word bearers on the website, so hopefully whatever they get is at least generic enough to not be stuck with khorne.