GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement

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**privateer4hire**

Just saw all this on their site. I've never collected Chaos for any of their games but thought the character looked cool. Then I saw the price.

A tick in the wrong direction column from my viewpoint.
But then they just made progress via Death Masque and Kill Team and even removing bundles that were receiving complaints due to severe price inconsistencies.

**MajorWesJanson**

Ian Sturrock wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
So... rule reprints of the same formations from before, psychic powers that other armies already had, and a super-over priced Special Character model.

It really does suck to play an NPC army.

My thought from that is that this is a quick fix for CSM / quick buck for GW, because they know that 8th is not too far off and don't want to bother writing more rules for 7th.

It's basically a rules compendium for CSM than a major new thing. Angels of Death had a few original things, but was mostly new psychic powers, rules for the Calth Models taken from FW and limited to the options in the plastic kits, and chapter specific rules from Kauyon, Raukan, Sentinels of Terra, and Salamanders given one as well.

The next army to get the same treatment will hopefully be Nids. Their rules are all over the place, and could use consolidation in one book with a few other things thrown in (Genestealer Cult?)

**Lythrandire Biehrellian**

I wonder if they'll add the betrayal at calth models' rules to this for chaos marines. Since they are half of the set and all...

**casvalremdeikun**

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
I wonder if they'll add the betrayal at calth models' rules to this for chaos marines. Since they are half of the set and all...

That would certainly be cool, though I am really not expecting it. It is about the only way I would start up a CSM army right now since most of their models are ancient. The Calth models look fantastic. Maybe if the Cult Marines get an update. I would totally be all over an Emperor's Children army based off the Calth sets.

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MajorWesJanson wrote:
Ian Sturrock wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
So... rule reprints of the same formations from before, psychic powers that other armies already had, and a super-over priced Special Character model.

It really does suck to play an NPC army.

My thought from that is that this is a quick fix for CSM / quick buck for GW, because they know that 8th is not too far off and don't want to bother writing more rules for 7th.

The next army to get the same treatment will hopefully be Nids. Their rules are all over the place, and could use consolidation in one book with a few other things thrown in (Genestealer Cult?)

Based on the blurb for Traitor's Hate, Blood Angels, Ad Mech, and Imperial Knights (wut?) are probably getting stuff next. Tyranids should get something, though I can't really see how.

**GoatboyBeta**

IK are probably a combo formation or two with AM forces and/or renegades

**casvalremdeikun**

GoatboyBeta wrote:
IK are probably a combo formation or two with AM forces and/or renegades

I am kinda thinking the same thing. I am fully expecting a reprint of the War Convocation formation from White Dwarf. I still have my fingers crossed for something good coming to Blood Angels. Some Deep Strike Turn 1 or Assault out of Deep Strike would be very appreciated. I wouldn't mind getting scouting Baal Predators back.

**Matt.Kingsley**

That or they'll be like the SoB in the Baal campaign or the CSMs, Grey Knights and Dark Angels in the Fenris campaign; be in fluff only and get no rules.

**casvalremdeikun**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
That or they'll be like the SoB in the Baal campaign or the CSMs, Grey Knights and Dark Angels in the Fenris campaign; be in fluff only and get no rules.

That is certainly a possibility I haven't ruled out. It certainly would fit with GW's behavior in regard to the Blood Angels.

**Motograter**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Matt.Kingsley wrote:
That or they'll be like the SoB in the Baal campaign or the CSMs, Grey Knights and Dark Angels in the Fenris campaign; be in fluff only and get no rules.
That is certainly a possibility I haven't ruled out. It certainly would fit with GW's behavior in regard to the Blood Angels.

Blood angels have had it better than chaos

**EnTyme**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Ian Sturrock wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
So... rule reprints of the same formations from before, psychic powers that other armies already had, and a super-over priced Special Character model.

It really does suck to play an NPC army.

My thought from that is that this is a quick fix for CSM / quick buck for GW, because they know that 8th is not too far off and don't want to bother writing more rules for 7th.

It's basically a rules compendium for CSM than a major new thing. Angels of Death had a few original things, but was mostly new psychic powers, rules for the Calth Models taken from FW and limited to the options in the plastic kits, and chapter specific rules from Kauyon, Raukan, Sentinels of Terra, and Salamanders given one as well.

The next army to get the same treatment will hopefully be Nids. Their rules are all over the place, and could use consolidation in one book with a few other things thrown in (Genestealer Cult?)

I would be more surprised if Tyranids didn't get something for the "40k End Times".

**oldzoggy**

EnTyme wrote:

I would be more surprised if Tyranids didn't get something for the "40k End Times".

Lol this isn't the end times this is just an other black crusade.

**kodos**

EnTyme wrote:

I would be more surprised if Tyranids didn't get something for the "40k End Times".

They already got their 7th edi update, I don't think there will be another one

oldzoggy wrote:

Lol this isn't the end times this is just an other black crusade.

We now have the 40k End Times Campaign for about a year now

**SirDigby**

How are GW managing to keep such a tight squeeze on the leaks?

Somebody out there must have gotten their grubby mitts on this by now!

**angelofvengeance**

SirDigby wrote:
How are GW managing to keep such a tight squeeze on the leaks?

Somebody out there must have gotten their grubby mitts on this by now!

Probably something to do with NDA and the threat of a P45 lol.

**SicSemperTyrannis**

angelofvengeance wrote:
SirDigby wrote:
How are GW managing to keep such a tight squeeze on the leaks?

Somebody out there must have gotten their grubby mitts on this by now!

Probably something to do with NDA and the threat of a P45 lol.

Or worse, being jailed into the basement having to play CSM against Tau/Necrons/Eldar for eternity

**Gamgee**

SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote:
SirDigby wrote:
How are GW managing to keep such a tight squeeze on the leaks?

Somebody out there must have gotten their grubby mitts on this by now!

Probably something to do with NDA and the threat of a P45 lol.

Or worse, being jailed into the basement having to play CSM against Tau/Necrons/Eldar for eternity

Clearly you've never fought a super friends space marine deathstar which is the top list in the meta by a large margin.

**Slayer-Fan123**

SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote:
SirDigby wrote:
How are GW managing to keep such a tight squeeze on the leaks?

Somebody out there must have gotten their grubby mitts on this by now!

Probably something to do with NDA and the threat of a P45 lol.

Or worse, being jailed into the basement having to play CSM against Tau/Necrons/Eldar for eternity

I suppose there's worse punishments. If I only had the rules to leak...

Seriously somebody give us something. Like, anything. Even if it is just rules for ONE formation...

**SicSemperTyrannis**

Gamgee wrote:
SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote:
SirDigby wrote:
How are GW managing to keep such a tight squeeze on the leaks?

Somebody out there must have gotten their grubby mitts on this by now!

Probably something to do with NDA and the threat of a P45 lol.

Or worse, being jailed into the basement having to play CSM against Tau/Necrons/Eldar for eternity

Clearly you've never fought a super friends space marine deathstar which is the top list in the meta by a large margin.

Indeed I have never played a superfriend list. I guess I can call myself lucky.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Seriously somebody give us something. Like, anything. Even if it is just rules for ONE formation...

There's a good chance we already know the rules for the Chaos Warband, Helforged Warpack, and Favoured of Chaos. See Codex Supplement: Black Legion.

**Skerr**

Do we think Ahriman and his crew will be one of two factions in a box set or sold otherwise?

I really like the new sculpt and think the new 1000 sons will follow his look but hope I don't have to go in with someone or have to get rid of a second faction.

**Azreal13**

I'd expect the Calth pattern, separate releases further down the line at a significant premium.

**Motograter**

Skerr wrote:
Do we think Ahriman and his crew will be one of two factions in a box set or sold otherwise?

I really like the new sculpt and think the new 1000 sons will follow his look but hope I don't have to go in with someone or have to get rid of a second faction.

30k sons will have a similar look. 40k version not so much

**ImAGeek**

Skerr wrote:
Do we think Ahriman and his crew will be one of two factions in a box set or sold otherwise?

I really like the new sculpt and think the new 1000 sons will follow his look but hope I don't have to go in with someone or have to get rid of a second faction.

It's probably 30k Ahriman from the rumoured Prospero themed Betrayal at Calth type box. By probably I mean Atia and Sad Panda have said it so it's almost certain. It'll be available separately at some point though.

**Wayniac**

SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote:
SirDigby wrote:
How are GW managing to keep such a tight squeeze on the leaks?

Somebody out there must have gotten their grubby mitts on this by now!

Probably something to do with NDA and the threat of a P45 lol.

Or worse, being jailed into the basement having to play CSM against Tau/Necrons/Eldar for eternity

Wouldn't that be considered cruel and unusual punishment?

Or do they not have those kinds of rules in the UK?

**streetsamurai**

Daedalus81 wrote:
streetsamurai wrote:
Azreal13 wrote:

The import duty into New Zealand on toys (including scale models) is 5%.

The mark up over UK is almost 100%.

Unless they're flying them out in hand luggage, it's difficult to justify based on import costs.

Once again. Well said. Must point out that his argument is even less solid when you consider that GW already sells comparable product to Kharn at about half the price in NZ. But then, this is the internet. Youll always find a few persons trying to defend the indefensible

No sir - there is a 15% goods and services tax:

http://www.customs.govt.nz/features/charges/feetypes/Pages/default.aspx

A big mac in the UK is 3.2 sterling and 6 nzd. If a big mac is almost double and it's food with one of the biggest, most efficient distributors what hope do you think GW will have being less than double?

I'm not sure I understand your argument, since it seems to prove the exact opposite of what you are saying. 3.2 pounds is 5,83 NZD according to the current rate, so the difference is negligible (They big mac (6 nzd) is more expensive in NZ by about 3% compared to the UK). Kharn, on the other side, is 22 pounds (which by the current rate is 40,10 NZD) and they sell him for 75 nzd. So they overcharge by a whooping 87%. As you surely realise, there is a hell of a difference between 3% and 87%.

Amd we are talking about a miniature that is already way overpriced even in the UK (a few years ago, these clam pack characters were not even 10 pounds, and no, inflation was not nearly high enough to account for the difference)

**godardc**

Calth's Space Marines were pretty neutral. If the Thousands Sons really look like this, they will sell less boxes.
But I do hope they look like this !

**streetsamurai**

godardc wrote:
Calth's Space Marines were pretty neutral. If the Thousands Sons really look like this, they will sell less boxes.
But I do hope they look like this !

Not sure about that. I don't think they could make another generic box of 30k space marines and expect it to sale as much as the first HH box did. After the first box, I guess the market for generic 30k sm is a bit saturated

**Azreal13**

It's gonna be Mk3 Armour.

That'll be a big deal for a lot of 30K players, and will look dramatically different from the Calth MkIV

**Eldarain**

That is fantastic. Somehow I missed that this whole time. My Word Bearers are all in MK III (My favourite) but damn was it financially off-putting to think about expanding the infantry in the future.

**streetsamurai**

what's supposed to be in the box besides space marines. Wasn't there supposed to be some sisters of silence and arbiters?

I'd be honestly surprised if some of the marines are not distinctively thousand sons. With Arihman in the box, it would be a bit weird if all the other marines are generic. But then, what do I know.