GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement

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**ImAGeek**

godardc wrote:
Calth's Space Marines were pretty neutral. If the Thousands Sons really look like this, they will sell less boxes.
But I do hope they look like this !

I'm thinking the 2 characters will be specific and everything else will be generic.

**Azreal13**

You can do a lot with decals.

The MkIII is supposedly for the Wolves, so I guess some generic MkIII and some more Legion specific MkIV for the TS are possible.

I don't think Atia or Panda has been too explicit about numbers or precise breakdown as yet.

**kenbian**

Sad Panda talk about TS, SW, Sister of silence and Custodes in the next HH box

**godardc**

Azreal13 wrote:
It's gonna be Mk3 Armour.

That'll be a big deal for a lot of 30K players, and will look dramatically different from the Calth MkIV

Exactly. Even if they sold loads of MKIV armors, there is no MKIII. They could do another generic HH box, but with MKIII and sell tons of it.

**455_PWR**

Custodes... awesome. Looks like I will have to dive further into hh (I can't decide between which legion to play -al or soh. I prefered al but everyone plays them now.

I love that chaos is getting more love too. Love the new kharn. I am a bit dissapointed for dropping $185 on the le book only to hear there are no new formations in it (I hope this is wrong). I hope there is a new abaddon and new chaos books in the not too distant future.

**Roknar**

Well there are formations. Whether they are any good is a different story. And possibly copying space marines powers and formations is setting a dangerous precedent.

**angelofvengeance**

Which armour mark do the XV Legion use in 30K then? MkIV is it?

**Abadabadoobaddon**

They could always do the existing Mk4 + a TS upgrade sprue. That's how FW does it.

**Oldmike**

angelofvengeance wrote:
Which armour mark do the XV Legion use in 30K then? MkIV is it?

FW makes upgrade kits for mk 2-4 for them with a mark 3 like head that is TS only

**shade1313**

Oldmike wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote:
Which armour mark do the XV Legion use in 30K then? MkIV is it?

FW makes upgrade kits for mk 2-4 for them with a mark 3 like head that is TS only

All of the TS heads that FW make are Mk IV. That said, the Achaean pattern helmets look dandy on Mk II/III. Pity Mk II armor is such a pain to work on if there's even slight mold slippage, and Mk III is only a little better in resin.

**Nightlord1987**

The guys on Facebook have answered that they are new formations, not just rehashed BL CS ones.

Believe or don't believe.

**Roknar**

Oh I'm sure they're new. Except, you know, "technically" new...

**Matt.Kingsley**

They've added the Fear or Hatred(Space Marines) rule to all the Formations to make them technically new, I bet.

**Wolf_in_Human_Shape**

Hatred (Imperium of Man) would be cool, but I guess not universally useful.

**Eldarain**

I just want mobility. The 4th-5th paradigm tied to a mostly assault focused list is brutal.

run and charge, deep strike and charge, outflank and charge, transport alterations, something.

**Wolf_in_Human_Shape**

Eldarain wrote:
I just want mobility. The 4th-5th paradigm tied to a mostly assault focused list is brutal.

run and charge, deep strike and charge, outflank and charge, transport alterations, something.

Hell yeah, gimme all o' that.

**JohnnyHell**

Ahriman looks a bit... squat.

**Roknar**

Well if we do get copies of the psychic powers we at least stand a much better chance of assaulting. I'll need a whole lot more sorcerers by the looks, khorne themed or not.

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I haven't heard any rumours about relics. Didn't the other campaign books come with new relics too?

**Wolf_in_Human_Shape**

No rumors, but only Renegade Knights appear to be getting relics, according to the product description.

**SicSemperTyrannis**

Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Eldarain wrote:
I just want mobility. The 4th-5th paradigm tied to a mostly assault focused list is brutal.

run and charge, deep strike and charge, outflank and charge, transport alterations, something.

Hell yeah, gimme all o' that.

Hell I would be even glad If I only could charge 1W6 inches without extra attacks and initiative 1 but just let my units fething do something afer deepstriking.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Nightlord1987 wrote:
The guys on Facebook have answered that they are new formations, not just rehashed BL CS ones.

Believe or don't believe.

Yes, they have all new names.

**Virules**

Can't believe people will start getting copies in 5 days and we have zero rules leaks so far! Only for Chaos of course haha.

**anticitizen013**

Bit the bullet and got the fancy edition of the codex. Which is brutal because I just bought the Deathwatch one...

I should sell the Deathwatch one...

Although yes, I'm also shocked there aren't more rules leaks. Usually we know what kind of formations to expect by now.

**oldzoggy**

Virules wrote:
Can't believe people will start getting copies in 5 days and we have zero rules leaks so far! Only for Chaos of course haha.

Those recent leaks where never leaks in the first place. This is an deliberate GW strategy, to manage the hype. The question is why.
Do they still want to protect some of the deathwatch hype, create a slow zone to build up the hype later on with more cool CSM releases or are the rules that bad that they want us to preorder without having seen them first.

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kodos wrote:

oldzoggy wrote:

Lol this isn't the end times this is just an other black crusade.

We now have the 40k End Times Campaign for about a year now

No we don't, we have been calling it the end times for over a year now. But this doesn't make it the end times does it.
Do we really expect an WFB/AoS game changing move where tons of characters, factions get killed and the setting being slaughtered to the point of no return or do we just expect a cool black crusade style campaign with some thematic releases and perhaps a new edition at the end. My money is on the last one, this isn't the end times. This is just an other hyped up version of a black crusade, and that isn't a bad thing.

**Azreal13**

The timeline is moving forward

The gospel according to Sad Panda

**oldzoggy**

yeah moving forward. It did so the last black crusade. Moving forward isn't the same as look pretty stuff that could destroy the world.. oops it did, reality ends all your heroes die the end.

My guess is that the only characters being flunked into the hungry void are those who still have no plastic model and don't have enough sales to justify a new mold.

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But hey who knows, I could be wrong. The emperor could die, the dragon could awake, the tau could dominate the universe and the orks could become mind controlled by eldrad. Just to be all eaten by the hungry tyranid mass. If such things happen I would gladly admit being wrong.

**Azreal13**

Yeah, because that's the only two options...

**oldzoggy**

Yaeh it kinda is.

You can't have a not so end time end time.
That's like having a national world war.

If my works don't notice anything major outside perhaps a cool waagh led by a new warboss then it's not the end time. The story just being an other chapter in the human civilwar & the linked fall of the eldar is kinda business as usual. Daemon princes and human heroes come and go. Ths would be just another crusade, or whatever you call the campaign.

If my orks suddenly become entries in codex the old ones or are no longer o this plane then it's the end time

**Eldarain**

The biggest difference being that we are essentially 3-4 books into the End Times already narratively speaking. Plenty of narrative options which advance the story that don't Sigmar the setting.

One of the Orks or Tyranids in Octarius finally gain ascendancy and a new supplement for one or both comes out representing the unique and altered effects that long struggle had on both races.

Eldrads actions will almost certainly have an affect on the Eldar story moving forward. Wraith units in particular.

The Wulfen story could have some drastic effects on the Space Wolves place in the Imperium going forward.

The biggest question is how successful will Abaddon's latest foray be. Plenty of options to play with between Cadia, Ulthwe, the Marine chapters there and the Necron links on Cadia itself.

**casvalremdeikun**

Watch, Eldrad's plan backfiring has led to no more Wraith units. They discontinue the entire frickin' line of them.