GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement

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**Chikout**

Those three boxes are discount bundles presumably. I wonder what they contain.

**casvalremdeikun**

Apparently we will be getting Blood Angels Vanguard, Sternguard, Assault, and Company Command kits. More than likely, they will just be the standard kits with the Blood Angels Upgrade Sprues included. I am totally okay with that too. It worked well enough for the Deathwatch, so there is no point in reinventing the wheel.

**diepotato47**

*Sweeps ten brand new, lovingly painted, just finished Blood Angel Assault Marines in to bin*
Shut up and take my money GW

**Roknar**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Apparently we will be getting Blood Angels Vanguard, Sternguard, Assault, and Company Command kits. More than likely, they will just be the standard kits with the Blood Angels Upgrade Sprues included. I am totally okay with that too. It worked well enough for the Deathwatch, so there is no point in reinventing the wheel.

Don't get me wrong, this is good news. But instead of finally getting new models for csm, we get yet more marines......sigh. And GW know that their kits suck, otherwise they wouldn't resort to what amounts to false advertising on the maelstrom of gore cover art.
On the plus side, to me that means they are at least considering to give us all new wargear options in the new codex. I can't think of any other reason they would delay releasing new kits for so long.

**MongooseMatt**

Retailers have just got this on Angel's Blade:

A 136 page Warhammer 40.000 campaign supplement and update to the Codex: Blood Angels, detailing a Chaos Space Marine invasion of the Diamor System at the beginning of Abaddon’s 13th Black Crusade, from the Blood Angels perspective. This book contains lots of new rules to be used alongside the Blood Angels Codex. It contains 9 new formations and 2 powerful new Detachments, Death Company Relics, Death Company Tactical Objectives, revised Wargear of Baal section, 3 new Altar of War missions, new datasheets for the Blood Angel Terminator Captain, Death Company Chaplain and updated datasheets of the Assault Squad and Devastator Squad.

Will be £30.

Other Stuff:

B.A. Vanguard Veteran Squad £ 28.00
B.A Assault Squad £ 28.00
B.A. Sternguard Veteran Squad £ 33.00
B.A. Company Command £ 28.00
B.A. Death Company Strike Force £ 80.00
B.A. Archangels Orbital Intervention Force £ 80.00
B.A. Chapter Ancients £ 65.00

Everything is 'Available while in demand'.

**casvalremdeikun**

Roknar wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Apparently we will be getting Blood Angels Vanguard, Sternguard, Assault, and Company Command kits. More than likely, they will just be the standard kits with the Blood Angels Upgrade Sprues included. I am totally okay with that too. It worked well enough for the Deathwatch, so there is no point in reinventing the wheel.

Don't get me wrong, this is good news. But instead of finally getting new models for csm, we get yet more marines......sigh. And GW know that their kits suck, otherwise they wouldn't resort to what amounts to false advertising on the maelstrom of gore cover art.
On the plus side, to me that means they are at least considering to give us all new wargear options in the new codex. I can't think of any other reason they would delay releasing new kits for so long.

Well, it is Blood Angels, so just how good the material is going to be is debatable. I can almost assure you the majority of it is just reprinted stuff from the Exterminatus book. One of the bundles even has the name of an Exterminatus formation (Archangels Orbital Intervention Force). The Terminator Captain and Terminator Chaplain were released last year. And like I said, the "new" kits are probably just the standard kits with a Blood Angels Upgrade Sprue packed in. So beyond the book, nothing is actually new. And even then, the book is going to be a bunch of reprints.

**godardc**

Rygnan wrote:
Gamgee wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
I can't wait for the blueberries to try and reason with the Tyranids, only to get nommed on a little. Too bad what should happen in the fluff is all but impossible to execute in the game.

I really want the Tyranids to get a new Big Bug. Something on the order of a Wraithknight or Stormsurge in terms of power and cost.

There are people who still think the Tau send peace offers to the orks and nids? They've begun to cease diplomatic contact with some races for obvious reasons. I can't wait for next years campaign. I'll have to bring my AAA game for the Farsight Enclaves (Tau).

Tau have barely had any contact with nids, so why would they know to not try diplomacy? Literally the only race fluffwise Tau don't try and negotiate with is the Orks, for obvious reasons

The Tau Empire destroyed a whole tyranid have fleet... That's not "barely any contact" to me.

**zamerion**

And where are the chaos formations? :(

**Abadabadoobaddon**

So I guess that confirms it? New CSM release was plastic Kharn and that's it?

**casvalremdeikun**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
So I guess that confirms it? New CSM release was plastic Kharn and that's it?

And a book! I don't think that is a for sure thing. We still could very well see a third volume to this. But I am not counting on it. BA are really just getting a book and some repacked kits, it seems.

Honestly, all I am hoping for is to get all the options that C:SM and DA share with BA, but with all of the options those two have added in. Like Grav Cannon Devastators and whatnot. I also want tank squadrons!

**Roknar**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Roknar wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Apparently we will be getting Blood Angels Vanguard, Sternguard, Assault, and Company Command kits. More than likely, they will just be the standard kits with the Blood Angels Upgrade Sprues included. I am totally okay with that too. It worked well enough for the Deathwatch, so there is no point in reinventing the wheel.

Don't get me wrong, this is good news. But instead of finally getting new models for csm, we get yet more marines......sigh. And GW know that their kits suck, otherwise they wouldn't resort to what amounts to false advertising on the maelstrom of gore cover art.
On the plus side, to me that means they are at least considering to give us all new wargear options in the new codex. I can't think of any other reason they would delay releasing new kits for so long.
Well, it is Blood Angels, so just how good the material is going to be is debatable. I can almost assure you the majority of it is just reprinted stuff from the Exterminatus book. One of the bundles even has the name of an Exterminatus formation (Archangels Orbital Intervention Force). The Terminator Captain and Terminator Chaplain were released last year. And like I said, the "new" kits are probably just the standard kits with a Blood Angels Upgrade Sprue packed in. So beyond the book, nothing is actually new. And even then, the book is going to be a bunch of reprints.

I hear you. I don't play marines, but even I can see that blood angels get treated barely any better than csm these days. Only chapter can think of that gets shafted even harder might be black templar

**diepotato47**

Hopefully Vanguard Vets get a nice boost to make them a viable choice against Death Company, but I'm overjoyed with just formations to be honest, and probably tank squadrons.

**Whirlwind**

BrookM wrote:
But how can the Blood Angels be back in number when they've lost close to everything during the Shield of Baal campaign?

How about in M35 three quarters of the Chapter got lost in the Warp. But the Warp being a fickle thing spat them back out in the M41, but from the BA's perspective only a day has passed. As if by magic the BA's are now back up to full strength.

**reds8n**

MongooseMatt wrote:
d updated datasheets of the Assault Squad and Devastator Squad.

.

Hope for options for them to be troops and take grav , respectively then.

**kronk**

Spoiler:

I would not get your hopes up for Frag Cannons, but Grav would be a no brainier for GW to add.

**Thraxas Of Turai**

I wish that GW would go the AOS style Grand Alliance books for the codex's and supplements. Cheap, softback and full to the brim of the relevant warscrolls (data sheets for 40k obviously). It does not feel like a long time since I shelled out for the BA codex upon its initial release and a lot of the changes (scouts, dreadnought extra attacks) we already know about.

Background and fiction could then go in a separate release.

**casvalremdeikun**

kronk wrote:

Spoiler:

casvalremdeikun wrote:
zamerion wrote:
From war of sigmar (atia blog)

So this week we will hear about the new Supplement for Blood Angels, called Angel's Blade. It will involve Chaos Space Marines invasion on some planet (of course). 9 new formations, 2 new detachments as well as Death Company relics and tactical objectives, wargear upgrades and 3 new missions to top it all of.
New Blood Angel Termie Captain DC Chaplain and updates to Assault and Devastator squads.

Angels' Blade (supplement) - 30GBP / 39EUR
BA Death Company Strike Force - 80GBP / 105EUR
BA Archangels Orbital Intervention Force - 80GBP / 100EUR
BA Chapter Ancients - 65GBP / 80EUR

We will also get new boxes for Blood Angels Vanguard, Assault, Sternguard and Company Command.
Well, feth. They might actually get some money out of me for my Blood Angels. Especially if the formations are actually good. At any rate, I will probably get Angel's Blade.

Now, I am curious if the updates to the Assault and Devastator Squads are going to be new kits or just updated rules. If it is new kits, PLEASE BE FRAG CANNON DEVASTATORS! If it is just new rules, Grav Cannons for Blood Angels Devastators confirmed! Which is great, because I only need to get one box of Devastators.

I would not get your hopes up for Frag Cannons, but Grav would be a no brainier for GW to add.

Oh I know. A man can dream though. And it isn't like man-portable Frag Cannons don't exist. But I am still going to make a Grav Cannon Dev Squad for sure.

**Matt.Kingsley**

That moment when BA are getting more stuff than CSMs in a campaign series about the Black Crusade.

Fething typical.

At least this means people can't say CSMs are better than BA and are more loved by GeeDubs... Ah who am I kidding they'll say it anyway while they blast us to bits with their new Grav Cannons just because they aren't mounted on Centurions.

**SicSemperTyrannis**

From what I constantly read people complain about grav all the time. So could someone please complete the following sentence for me?

Having more grav in the game is good because _____________ .

**kronk**

SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
From what I constantly read people complain about grav all the time. So could someone please complete the following sentence for me?

Having more grav in the game is good because _____________ .

Off topic.

Please start a thread in 40k General.

**motyak**

Indeed. This isn't the thread for that discussion, it'll take us waaaay too far away from the N&R part.

**casvalremdeikun**

BA will still pay more for practically everything than their C:SM and DA counterparts, so it isn't like we are getting a huge boost. And reprinted formations are hardly a great addition.

**SagesStone**

SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
From what I constantly read people complain about grav all the time. So could someone please complete the following sentence for me?

Having more grav in the game is good because _____________ .

Because it's close to the word gravy?

I'm glad to see the void generator back, hopefully for a lot longer than the last time... thing got up to crazy prices on ebay.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
That moment when BA are getting more stuff than CSMs in a campaign series about the Black Crusade.

Fething typical.

In the first 13th Black Crusade Space Wolves received more releases than CSM. It's pretty much expected.

**oldzoggy**

Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I wish that GW would go the AOS style Grand Alliance books for the codex's and supplements. Cheap, softback and full to the brim of the relevant warscrolls (data sheets for 40k obviously). It does not feel like a long time since I shelled out for the BA codex upon its initial release and a lot of the changes (scouts, dreadnought extra attacks) we already know about.

Background and fiction could then go in a separate release.

Two questions for you.

Would you buy an expensive supplement that included both fluff and rules. If those rules where good / "needed" for your army ?

Would you buy the campaign fluff book if there was no rules in them when it was priced the same as the rules only campaign book with good /"needed" rules for your army ?

Of only the first is yes then you know why GW doesn't sell the second option.

**casvalremdeikun**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
That moment when BA are getting more stuff than CSMs in a campaign series about the Black Crusade.

Fething typical.

At least this means people can't say CSMs are better than BA and are more loved by GeeDubs... Ah who am I kidding they'll say it anyway while they blast us to bits with their new Grav Cannons just because they aren't mounted on Centurions.

In what universe is BA getting more here? They are getting a book and some repacked kits (confirmed by Atia). That's it. CSM is getting Khârn. While not much, it is more than BA is getting.

**gungo**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Matt.Kingsley wrote:
That moment when BA are getting more stuff than CSMs in a campaign series about the Black Crusade.

Fething typical.

At least this means people can't say CSMs are better than BA and are more loved by GeeDubs... Ah who am I kidding they'll say it anyway while they blast us to bits with their new Grav Cannons just because they aren't mounted on Centurions.
In what universe is BA getting more here? They are getting a book and some repacked kits (confirmed by Atia). That's it. CSM is getting Khârn. While not much, it is more than BA is getting.

You are getting more new packing material and box covers!!!

**Hulksmash**

oldzoggy wrote:
Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I wish that GW would go the AOS style Grand Alliance books for the codex's and supplements. Cheap, softback and full to the brim of the relevant warscrolls (data sheets for 40k obviously). It does not feel like a long time since I shelled out for the BA codex upon its initial release and a lot of the changes (scouts, dreadnought extra attacks) we already know about.

Background and fiction could then go in a separate release.

Two questions for you.

Would you buy an expensive supplement that included both fluff and rules. If those rules where good / "needed" for your army ?

Would you buy the campaign fluff book if there was no rules in them when it was priced the same as the rules only campaign book with good /"needed" rules for your army ?

Of only the first is yes then you know why GW doesn't sell the second option.

Or they could transition to the AoS format and there are rules but they are literally for the campain setting and all pointed formations and units are strictly kept to battletomes. And those books seem to get bought. Lord knows I started buying the gw ones not because of rules but because of plot advancement. AND I'm primarily a tournament player and not a narrative player.

**Matt.Kingsley**

@casvalremdeikun:
The contents of the book.

The only thing CSMs gets more of it Formations (11 to 9), however BA also get a 2nd Detachment, relics, new wargear, and 2 'new' units (Terminator Captain technically isn't new, but the DC Chaplain is).

The only thing CSMs get that BA don't is 4 'new' Disciplines... that BA had access to RAI before-hand.

Also this is what... the 4th set of Relics for BA (including the ones in their codex already) and the second set of Tactical Objectives?

You're getting more rules, and splash repacks is better than Kharn given how expensive he is. While they aren't new, it's more releases than CSMs are getting.

If it turns out that there's a 3rd part with more CSM stuff, I'll shut my mouth after admitting I was wrong and too hasty. Until then though BAs look to be getting the better deal out of the major CSM campaign.

**gungo**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
@casvalremdeikun:
The contents of the book.

The only thing CSMs gets more of it Formations (11 to 9), however BA also get a 2nd Detachment, relics, new wargear, and 2 'new' units (Terminator Captain technically isn't new, but the DC Chaplain is).

The only thing CSMs get that BA don't is 4 'new' Disciplines... that BA had access to RAI before-hand.

Also this is what... the 4th set of Relics for BA (including the ones in their codex already) and the second set of Tactical Objectives?

You're getting more rules, and splash repacks is better than Kharn given how expensive he is. While they aren't new, it's more releases than CSMs are getting.

If it turns out that there's a 3rd part with more CSM stuff, I'll shut my mouth after admitting I was wrong and too hasty. Until then though BAs look to be getting the better deal out of the major CSM campaign.

Time to keep your word
Because not only Is the csm book bigger with more new formations
And new powers but they also have new relics not just for traitors hate but also for the renegade knight.
There are no new models for ba the DC chaplain already exists. And with 4+ supplments for chaos I wouldn't be claiming a BA have more relics.
There are two detschments (yippee) which can only ever use one of. And even with that extra detschment your still less than the csm supplements 11+1
So how are BA getting more rules again?