GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement

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**Roknar**

Drasius wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
So the main question is whether or not we are given permission to replace the CSM with cult marines.

Nope, if you want cult units, they're their own auxiliary with no special rules, so as always, you're gak out of luck if you want to play a cult legion other than world eaters, who get their own core choice. If you want EC / TS / DG then you're looking at a CAD, same as always. Though as mentioned, you can do fluffy Death Guard with typhus / lost and damned / plague Marines / whatever else.

At least it seems like virtually all formations are indeed proper formations. So the talons and heldrake pack work well with a night lords theme. But yea, cult legions don't seem to get anything besides new psychic powers.

**Chaos Legionnaire**

So, I noticed that Ahriman can be taken in at least one of these formations.
Which of course makes me wonder, if GW has him fighting in this war zone, will he be participating in the whole Warzone Fenris thing?

**redleger**

You can take Ahriman in the warband, command, or in the terminator formation. Look at the numbers and footnotes.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

So Word Bearers are mentioned as participating in this campaign and the superformation has a Dark Apostle-themed core formation. We also got a core Khorne formation.

What are the chances the next Fenris book features a core Alpha Legion-themed formation alongside the core Tzeentch one? Alpha Legion were mentioned in one of the promo pieces for that warzone.

**techsoldaten**

Huh. This is better than what I expected. Thinking the gems in this... update... might not be obvious.

1) Warp Talons that can assault the turn they deep strike might actually be useful, what with blind and all. Thinking this is a nice close-assault bomb to drop on some long range guns.

2) That's 4 - 9 units of cultists that can re-enter combat outflanking after they are destroyed. Thinking this is a good tactic for seizing objectives late in the game, you can just start dropping them on anything that is not already secured.

3) Maulerfiends with Rage is just nuts. Others have pointed this out, but thinking this is now the primary way for CSMs to eat tanks.

4) Berzerkers can finally charge like they mean it. Thinking the items above are big enough distractions that maybe they stand a chance of getting into combat.

**Eldarain**

The Obliterators formation just confuses me.

With the state of the shooting nightmares across the table these days why do they have to cycle through all their guns?

**sfshilo**

The amount of hand wringing over this is nuts.

Obsec tzeench termies?
Obsec bikers at cheaper prices than imperials?
Warpsmith formations with multiple daemonforge uses and a 4++ on one unit?
Deep strike jump packs?

This has all kinds of good stuff.

**Bulldogging**

redleger wrote:
You can take Ahriman in the warband, command, or in the terminator formation. Look at the numbers and footnotes.

I think in this current fluff he and Magnus are not friends anymore, enemies even.

So if Magnus is attacking the fang, I'd guess Ahriman is not.

EDIT: Then again, it doesn't seem his style to be part of the crusade. Who knows.

**Gamgee**

I keep telling people this is great. More useful than the Tau formations you almsot never see used. Even all the updates that added in formations not every single one was a winner. The fact that chaos looks like it has 3-4 really solid ones is damn good. All Necrons have is decurion ect.

**Bulldogging**

Gamgee wrote:
I keep telling people this is great. More useful than the Tau formations you almsot never see used. Even all the updates that added in formations not every single one was a winner. The fact that chaos looks like it has 3-4 really solid ones is damn good. All Necrons have is decurion ect.

I'm surprised the assaulting after deepstriking lord isn't exciting more people. .

**Eldarain**

Bulldogging wrote:
Gamgee wrote:
I keep telling people this is great. More useful than the Tau formations you almsot never see used. Even all the updates that added in formations not every single one was a winner. The fact that chaos looks like it has 3-4 really solid ones is damn good. All Necrons have is decurion ect.

I'm surprised the assaulting after deepstriking lord isn't exciting more people. .

There is definitely a couple gems here. The Lord is very cool, and just as I was plotting out my Slaughterpriest conversion with Possessed wings too

**Gamgee**

Tau top lists in the itc only use the regular old cad. I wish our formations were good enough to see play.

**Leth**

I am just glad it's not broken busted like tau and eldar, lots of versatility, decent bonuses, and overall a interesting feel to the entire thing. Will be interesting to see all the rules together and potentially the relics/renegade Knights.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Sooooooo what does the Terminator one do?

**Tarnag**

Gamgee wrote:
Tau top lists in the itc only use the regular old cad. I wish our formations were good enough to see play.

Well, one is (Riptide Wing)

**Charax**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Sooooooo what does the Terminator one do?

Nominate a unit before deployment, the formation get Hatred (because OF COURSE it'd be Hatred) against that unit and can shoot at that unit immediately after they Deep Strike, as well as shooting normally that turn (against the same or a different target.

If the target unit is completely destroyed at any point, you immediately pick a new target and get the same bonuses against them

**Slayer-Fan123**

Shame that you already will have Hatred against half the armies out there, but it makes Reaper Autocannons less junky, not that I'd encourage ANYBODY to use them. It does make Termicide better though and that's what counts. Go all out with 6-8 Plasma shots and then finish with the meh Bolters.

**VeteranNoob**

Bulldogging wrote:
Gamgee wrote:
I keep telling people this is great. More useful than the Tau formations you almsot never see used. Even all the updates that added in formations not every single one was a winner. The fact that chaos looks like it has 3-4 really solid ones is damn good. All Necrons have is decurion ect.

I'm surprised the assaulting after deepstriking lord isn't exciting more people. .

It's exciting the hell out of me and I'm glad you mentioned it.

**Wolf_in_Human_Shape**

If only they were obsec and/or had deep strike mitigation. Oh well.

Edit: in regards to the terminator formation.

**Gamgee**

Tarnag wrote:
Gamgee wrote:
Tau top lists in the itc only use the regular old cad. I wish our formations were good enough to see play.

Well, one is (Riptide Wing)

Could have fooled me. May as well be the standard. Hahah. Hopefully triple Y'vahrahs in a Riptide Wing becomes legal.

**WangoFett**

Ok how about this: DS, pop all those plasma shots, then RUN so you are closer to an objective or at least no-longer in a tasty pie shape.

**Eldarain**

WangoFett wrote:
Ok how about this: DS, pop all those plasma shots, then RUN so you are closer to an objective or at least no-longer in a tasty pie shape.

Hadn't considered it that way. Much better than some ineffectual bolter fire in most cases.

**Leth**

Also that terminator formation will get to fire before interceptor shots can hit it!!!

That is baller!!

**SicSemperTyrannis**

Leth wrote:
Also that terminator formation will get to fire before interceptor shots can hit it!!!

That is baller!!

Source? I can´t find it anywhere.

**Eldarain**

Leth wrote:
Also that terminator formation will get to fire before interceptor shots can hit it!!!

That is baller!!

Nice! When does Coteaz's special Interceptor trigger?

**Leth**

SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
Leth wrote:
Also that terminator formation will get to fire before interceptor shots can hit it!!!

That is baller!!

Source? I can´t find it anywhere.

Guy above said they get to shoot immediately after deep strike, which is in the movement phase.

**Charax**

it's VERY situational - to use the rule fully you have to DS in and hope you land in range/LOS of your nominated target

Between the Terminators and the Raptors I can see the Dimensional Key becoming way more popular - pop the key, get the Raptors exactly where you want them and DS in the Annihilation squad near their target

Taking the Burning Brand on the lord might be a good idea - DS in, burn, burn again in the shooting phase

**fearzffs**

what a dissapointing release .. makes me sad the only formation that will see a lot of play is the spawns one with mark of nurgle and we will see even more armies with spawn tide. Basically worst release ever.

**Orthon**

fearzffs wrote:
what a dissapointing release .. makes me sad the only formation that will see a lot of play is the spawns one with mark of nurgle and we will see even more armies with spawn tide. Basically worst release ever.

LOL! Sadly, the spawn is the cheapest auxiliary and might actually be the best even though it has no special rules...

**Vain**

fearzffs wrote:
what a dissapointing release .. makes me sad the only formation that will see a lot of play is the spawns one with mark of nurgle and we will see even more armies with spawn tide. Basically worst release ever.

Yes, you are quite right, this is the worst release ever, and no other formations will get a look in. Especially not the formations being discussed above.