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gorgon wrote: Honestly, I never thought Sisters were that strong of a concept. Space marine nuns with guns seems shallow to me compared to the more archetypical concepts GW tends to roll with. I also think faith is a hard concept to translate into game mechanics, and GW has struggled with that IMO.
The original Sisters with their psychology-based rules, frenzy, hatred, fearlessness, etc was good.
The Magical Space Jesus but Not Psychic Powers stuff that started in 3rd edition was bad. Took them from fanatical religious zealots, and tried to turn them into D&D Clerics. Which made even less sense the more the lore tried to push the Emperor as a Secular Leader fluff. Even if the Emperor transcended to godhood, why would he grant boons to the followers of the Ecclesiarchy just because they believed in him, since he never wanted to be a god when he was alive? The irony of the Ecclesiarchy in 40K is that they're actually perverting the word of the Emperor, and not bolstering it. The Ecclesiarchy represents everything that the Emperor punished Lorgar for. Giving the Sisters of Battle faith-based powers is downright daft.
I'd love to see the Sisters get completely re-tooled. Possibly built around the Frateris Milita and other mechanisms of the Crusade or something, rather than just as an uninspiring magical fire-based Ladymarines army. And I say this as somebody who actually owns SIsters of Battle, and has since they debuted in the late 90s. This idea probably won't happen, but some kind of differentiation other than pageboy haircuts and corsets.
And I say this as someone who has actually owned Sisters models dating all the way back to the late 90s when they debuted. Their fluff doesn't make sense, the army doesn't capture enough people's imagination, and they historically haven't sold very well (at least well enough to get any new models since 2003).
Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?
NinthMusketeer wrote: The Fyreslayers release was still set under the 'old' GW mentality. The releases since then have been cheaper. The Start Collecting boxes have a number of options which offer significantly increased savings as compared to the old battalion boxes, but more importantly they are better because they more or less only include units people would actually use, whereas the majority of battalion boxes had at least one unit that was bad enough few players used it. All-in-all having a Genestealer Cult release at all is an improvement and I think the placement of symbols on limited edition dice is a minor detail.
So, 40k Armies Thread, I guess that's not the least travelled part of the forum. Maybe.
I've seen a couple of threads asking about whether or not it was worth it to purchase an armies respective Battleforce. This being the case I decided to do a basic comparison of each Battleforce's cost compared to the cost of buying each set separately. In general the Battleforce generally gets you a little over a set for free making it a good buy in most situations, especially when starting out. Additionally, should GW bump the price of all the sets by $5 as they are wont to do, the Battleforce will save you an average of $15. In absolute terms the CSM, Necron, and SM Battleforces all represent exceptionally good purchases IMHO, and the Tau might depending on your preference for Kroot.
Blood Angels Battleforce: $100
Battleforce Contents: $136.25
Savings: $36.25
Review for Current Codex: (Pending)
Chaos Space Marine Battleforce: $110
Battleforce Contents: $153.08
Savings: $43.08
Review for Current Codex: AcasualDream (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
Chaos Daemon Battleforce: $105
Battleforce Contents: $140.75
Savings: $35.75
Review for Current Codex: (Pending)
Dark Angels Ravenwing Battleforce: $105
Battle Force Contents: $164
Savings: $59
Review for Current Codex: sithjack (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
Dark Eldar Battleforce: $95
Battleforce Contents: $125.75
Savings: $30.75
Review for Current Codex: (Pending)
Eldar Battleforce: $95
Battleforce Contents: $128.13
Savings: $33.13
Review for Current Codex: (Pending)
Cadian Battleforce: $115
Catachan Battleforce: $115
Battleforce Contents: $151.75
Savings: $36.75
Review for Current Codex: Nitrokitty (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
Necron Battleforce: $90
Battleforce Contents: $141.66
Savings: $51.66
Review for Current Codex: Nitrokitty (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
Ork Battleforce: $100
Battleforce Contents: $132.25
Savings: $32.25
Review for Current Codex: (Pending)
Space Marine Battleforce: $110
Battleforce Contents: $153.25
Savings: $43.25
Review for Current Codex: (Polaria (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces))
Space Wolves Battleforce: $100
Battleforce Contents: $132.50
Savings: $32.50
Review for Current Codex: mynameisgrax (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
Tau Battleforce: $110
Battleforce Contents: $143.25
Savings: $33.25
Review for Current Codex: Aun'Vre (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
Tyranid Battleforce: $110
Battleforce Contents: $144.50
Savings: $34.50
Review for Current Codex: Heirodule (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
This is all up to date as of 8/17/11, should it prove helpful I will endeavor to update whenever GW introduces a new Battleforce/Army Deal or raises price
Space Marines
Tier 3
10 Tactical Marines USD $40
1 Space Marine Dreadnought USD $46.25
1 Space Marine Captain in Terminator Armor USD $33 (Based off BA captain cost)
Total: $119.25 USD, with savings of 34.25
Astra Militarum
Tier 3
1 Leman Russ $49.50
1 Heavy Weapon team $16.00
1 Commissar $16.00
10 Cadian shock troops $29.00
Total: $110.50 with savings of $25.00
Tyranids
Tier 2
1 Hive Tyrant $53.75
3 Tyranid Warriors $51.00
10 Gargoyles $29.00
Total: $133.75 with savings of $48.75
Space Wolves
Tier 3
3 Thunderwolf Calvary $54.50
10 Grey Hunters/Blood Claws $37.00
1 Wolf Lord $16.00 (Extra model usually converted from a grey hunter model. Estimated price based on HQ unit costs)
Savings: $107.50 with a savings of $22.5
Daemons of Khorne
Tier 3
1 Herald on Blood Throne $40.00
3 Bloodcrushers $50 (Retail the box comes with a total of 6 at $100)
10 Bloodletters $29
Total: $119 with savings of $34
Daemons of Nurgle
Tier 1
3 Plague Drones $60
1 Herald of Nurgle $25.00
3 Nurglings $25
10 Plague bearers $29.00
Total: $139 with a savings of $54
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as we can see, the savings were pretty much comparable (to be honest the saving on the sc boxes might be a bit better s, but their worth is inflated by the ridiculous price of the clampack HQ). And as I said before, if you buy multiple start collecting boxes, you get the same HQ numerous times, and most of the time, you don't need more than one. Personally, I think that it compensate for the ''worthless'' unit in the battleforce, but ymmv.
Anyway, it's time for some minis to leak cause we are getting dangerously off topic
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lost and damned log
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/519978.page#6525039
GW has been keeping this release really tight. Here we are roughly 2 days away from the preorders going live and we have only seen what they've publicly released. Is it safe to say there have been no real leaks?
NinthMusketeer wrote: The Fyreslayers release was still set under the 'old' GW mentality. The releases since then have been cheaper. The Start Collecting boxes have a number of options which offer significantly increased savings as compared to the old battalion boxes, but more importantly they are better because they more or less only include units people would actually use, whereas the majority of battalion boxes had at least one unit that was bad enough few players used it. All-in-all having a Genestealer Cult release at all is an improvement and I think the placement of symbols on limited edition dice is a minor detail.
So, 40k Armies Thread, I guess that's not the least travelled part of the forum. Maybe.
I've seen a couple of threads asking about whether or not it was worth it to purchase an armies respective Battleforce. This being the case I decided to do a basic comparison of each Battleforce's cost compared to the cost of buying each set separately. In general the Battleforce generally gets you a little over a set for free making it a good buy in most situations, especially when starting out. Additionally, should GW bump the price of all the sets by $5 as they are wont to do, the Battleforce will save you an average of $15. In absolute terms the CSM, Necron, and SM Battleforces all represent exceptionally good purchases IMHO, and the Tau might depending on your preference for Kroot.
Blood Angels Battleforce: $100
Battleforce Contents: $136.25
Savings: $36.25
Review for Current Codex: (Pending)
Chaos Space Marine Battleforce: $110
Battleforce Contents: $153.08
Savings: $43.08
Review for Current Codex: AcasualDream (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
Chaos Daemon Battleforce: $105
Battleforce Contents: $140.75
Savings: $35.75
Review for Current Codex: (Pending)
Dark Angels Ravenwing Battleforce: $105
Battle Force Contents: $164
Savings: $59
Review for Current Codex: sithjack (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
Dark Eldar Battleforce: $95
Battleforce Contents: $125.75
Savings: $30.75
Review for Current Codex: (Pending)
Eldar Battleforce: $95
Battleforce Contents: $128.13
Savings: $33.13
Review for Current Codex: (Pending)
Cadian Battleforce: $115
Catachan Battleforce: $115
Battleforce Contents: $151.75
Savings: $36.75
Review for Current Codex: Nitrokitty (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
Necron Battleforce: $90
Battleforce Contents: $141.66
Savings: $51.66
Review for Current Codex: Nitrokitty (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
Ork Battleforce: $100
Battleforce Contents: $132.25
Savings: $32.25
Review for Current Codex: (Pending)
Space Marine Battleforce: $110
Battleforce Contents: $153.25
Savings: $43.25
Review for Current Codex: (Polaria (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces))
Space Wolves Battleforce: $100
Battleforce Contents: $132.50
Savings: $32.50
Review for Current Codex: mynameisgrax (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
Tau Battleforce: $110
Battleforce Contents: $143.25
Savings: $33.25
Review for Current Codex: Aun'Vre (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
Tyranid Battleforce: $110
Battleforce Contents: $144.50
Savings: $34.50
Review for Current Codex: Heirodule (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
This is all up to date as of 8/17/11, should it prove helpful I will endeavor to update whenever GW introduces a new Battleforce/Army Deal or raises price
Space Marines
Tier 3
10 Tactical Marines USD $40
1 Space Marine Dreadnought USD $46.25
1 Space Marine Captain in Terminator Armor USD $33 (Based off BA captain cost)
Total: $119.25 USD, with savings of 34.25
Astra Militarum
Tier 3
1 Leman Russ $49.50
1 Heavy Weapon team $16.00
1 Commissar $16.00
10 Cadian shock troops $29.00
Total: $110.50 with savings of $25.00
Tyranids
Tier 2
1 Hive Tyrant $53.75
3 Tyranid Warriors $51.00
10 Gargoyles $29.00
Total: $133.75 with savings of $48.75
Space Wolves
Tier 3
3 Thunderwolf Calvary $54.50
10 Grey Hunters/Blood Claws $37.00
1 Wolf Lord $16.00 (Extra model usually converted from a grey hunter model. Estimated price based on HQ unit costs)
Savings: $107.50 with a savings of $22.5
Daemons of Khorne
Tier 3
1 Herald on Blood Throne $40.00
3 Bloodcrushers $50 (Retail the box comes with a total of 6 at $100)
10 Bloodletters $29
Total: $119 with savings of $34
Daemons of Nurgle
Tier 1
3 Plague Drones $60
1 Herald of Nurgle $25.00
3 Nurglings $25
10 Plague bearers $29.00
Total: $139 with a savings of $54
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as we can see, the savings were pretty much comparable (to be honest the saving on the sc boxes might be a bit better s, but their worth is inflated by the ridiculous price of the clampack HQ). And as I said before, if you buy multiple start collecting boxes, you get the same HQ numerous times, and most of the time, you don't need more than one. Personally, I think that it compensate for the ''worthless'' unit in the battleforce, but ymmv
It's also meaningful to take into account that some of the new Start Collecting kits (notably, the orks, Necron, Blood Angels and SM) have their value artificially inflated by the ridiculous price GW charge for new clampack charcter. Still, looking at the % of savings, it seems the new Start Collecting kits offers a greater discount on average
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Grot 6 wrote: Does anyone know where the plans are located to make the old school limo?
I have plenty of the old school hybrids, a couple of boxes of IG, and some conversion stuff for Genestealers....
Would like to see the old school Deathwing story scenarios, as well.
There werent plans for scratchbuilding limos, were there? I remember the text-only WD article and this excellent, recent report by the Eldritch Epistle blog also showing the underside of the original limos:
That is exactly the information on what I was looking for. The added bonus is the add on of the old IG troopers as fodder. I have them as well...
Absolutely amazing!!!!
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streetsamurai wrote: Agreed. I like the old school focus of GW, but squats would be a disaster. What an uninteresting concept that was.
Not really. I have the old school RT books, and the concept fits in context to the original game. Mantic took the idea and ran with it, and even if it was a half step, it was at least in the right direction. IIRC, didn't Bob Olley have a few in the till for sale over in his neck of the woods? "Old School" was pretty much get your figures and use them from wherever.... That's what is drawing me back to 40K after a little Hiatus to get my some time to drink Bacardi and chase Bikinis. Now back and well rested, its time to get back to the serious side of collecting and digging up RT era figures.
I like the Old school focus as well, and I want to take it back a step and gather my stuff at reasonable prices, while at the same time try to catch the essence of the game. scratch build some stuff, paint and possibly play, depending on the reaction to the projects.
On another topic, can these Genestealers capture a titan/ knight? Are we going to see other races Hybrids within the cults?
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Quarterdime wrote: GW has been keeping this release really tight. Here we are roughly 2 days away from the preorders going live and we have only seen what they've publicly released. Is it safe to say there have been no real leaks?
Yes. Their marketing department seems to have gone from "shaky leaked photos" to releasing more teaser stuff instead.
Indeed, it odd that we have the November White Dwarf cover and not the October one. That said there is still two weeks before the release of the October issue.
I am looking forward to seeing the new miniatures and if they are half as good as the ones in Deathwatch Overkill then we are in for a treat.
We get week one previews on Saturday and then the white dwarf will be out from Monday or Tuesday, so it will not be long until we see everything this release has to offer.
NinthMusketeer wrote: The Fyreslayers release was still set under the 'old' GW mentality. The releases since then have been cheaper. The Start Collecting boxes have a number of options which offer significantly increased savings as compared to the old battalion boxes, but more importantly they are better because they more or less only include units people would actually use, whereas the majority of battalion boxes had at least one unit that was bad enough few players used it. All-in-all having a Genestealer Cult release at all is an improvement and I think the placement of symbols on limited edition dice is a minor detail.
So, 40k Armies Thread, I guess that's not the least travelled part of the forum. Maybe.
I've seen a couple of threads asking about whether or not it was worth it to purchase an armies respective Battleforce. This being the case I decided to do a basic comparison of each Battleforce's cost compared to the cost of buying each set separately. In general the Battleforce generally gets you a little over a set for free making it a good buy in most situations, especially when starting out. Additionally, should GW bump the price of all the sets by $5 as they are wont to do, the Battleforce will save you an average of $15. In absolute terms the CSM, Necron, and SM Battleforces all represent exceptionally good purchases IMHO, and the Tau might depending on your preference for Kroot.
Blood Angels Battleforce: $100
Battleforce Contents: $136.25
Savings: $36.25
Review for Current Codex: (Pending)
Chaos Space Marine Battleforce: $110
Battleforce Contents: $153.08
Savings: $43.08
Review for Current Codex: AcasualDream (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
Chaos Daemon Battleforce: $105
Battleforce Contents: $140.75
Savings: $35.75
Review for Current Codex: (Pending)
Dark Angels Ravenwing Battleforce: $105
Battle Force Contents: $164
Savings: $59
Review for Current Codex: sithjack (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
Dark Eldar Battleforce: $95
Battleforce Contents: $125.75
Savings: $30.75
Review for Current Codex: (Pending)
Eldar Battleforce: $95
Battleforce Contents: $128.13
Savings: $33.13
Review for Current Codex: (Pending)
Cadian Battleforce: $115
Catachan Battleforce: $115
Battleforce Contents: $151.75
Savings: $36.75
Review for Current Codex: Nitrokitty (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
Necron Battleforce: $90
Battleforce Contents: $141.66
Savings: $51.66
Review for Current Codex: Nitrokitty (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
Ork Battleforce: $100
Battleforce Contents: $132.25
Savings: $32.25
Review for Current Codex: (Pending)
Space Marine Battleforce: $110
Battleforce Contents: $153.25
Savings: $43.25
Review for Current Codex: (Polaria (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces))
Space Wolves Battleforce: $100
Battleforce Contents: $132.50
Savings: $32.50
Review for Current Codex: mynameisgrax (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
Tau Battleforce: $110
Battleforce Contents: $143.25
Savings: $33.25
Review for Current Codex: Aun'Vre (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
Tyranid Battleforce: $110
Battleforce Contents: $144.50
Savings: $34.50
Review for Current Codex: Heirodule (The Comparative Worth of Battleforces)
This is all up to date as of 8/17/11, should it prove helpful I will endeavor to update whenever GW introduces a new Battleforce/Army Deal or raises price
Space Marines
Tier 3
10 Tactical Marines USD $40
1 Space Marine Dreadnought USD $46.25
1 Space Marine Captain in Terminator Armor USD $33 (Based off BA captain cost)
Total: $119.25 USD, with savings of 34.25
Astra Militarum
Tier 3
1 Leman Russ $49.50
1 Heavy Weapon team $16.00
1 Commissar $16.00
10 Cadian shock troops $29.00
Total: $110.50 with savings of $25.00
Tyranids
Tier 2
1 Hive Tyrant $53.75
3 Tyranid Warriors $51.00
10 Gargoyles $29.00
Total: $133.75 with savings of $48.75
Space Wolves
Tier 3
3 Thunderwolf Calvary $54.50
10 Grey Hunters/Blood Claws $37.00
1 Wolf Lord $16.00 (Extra model usually converted from a grey hunter model. Estimated price based on HQ unit costs)
Savings: $107.50 with a savings of $22.5
Daemons of Khorne
Tier 3
1 Herald on Blood Throne $40.00
3 Bloodcrushers $50 (Retail the box comes with a total of 6 at $100)
10 Bloodletters $29
Total: $119 with savings of $34
Daemons of Nurgle
Tier 1
3 Plague Drones $60
1 Herald of Nurgle $25.00
3 Nurglings $25
10 Plague bearers $29.00
Total: $139 with a savings of $54
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as we can see, the savings were pretty much comparable (to be honest the saving on the sc boxes might be a bit better s, but their worth is inflated by the ridiculous price of the clampack HQ). And as I said before, if you buy multiple start collecting boxes, you get the same HQ numerous times, and most of the time, you don't need more than one. Personally, I think that it compensate for the ''worthless'' unit in the battleforce, but ymmv.
Anyway, it's time for some minis to leak cause we are getting dangerously off topic
Just to point out that you show that the new Start Collecting boxes are a better saving.
Average savings on the battalions: 73%
Average savings on Start Collecting: 68%
Also, on the Age of Sigmar side, newer boxes for troops have been going down since Roundtree took over. The cost of large 5 man infantry boxes were $55 to $57 during the Ends Times release, $50 for the new Ironjaws Brutes. Prices of new boxes are have remained flat or have gone down for the most part.
Somewhat back on topic, I suspect the recent plastic custodes leak might have been a GW trap to get one of their leakers. With him out of the picture, we may truly have to rely on GW for info. But on the bright side, they are actually showing stuff a couple weeks earlier for some things.
Just need to see one pic of one dude to set my hype in check. Seriously mining weapons and theme is just perfect for my renegades force but I just hope they dont look too tyranidy and can be made to look like mutants which is also perfect for me.
I was gonna just do a renegade army from Vraks book but if GC have loads of AM units I might just do the artillery and militia from Vraks and mining force from GC, damn I hope it looks good.
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Woa, open topped vehicle, get in.
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Looks like the transport vehicle from the teaser. If it's one of the "tools if the oppressors", hopefully that means imperial guard get that transport too. That'd make me a happy Bull0
I would approve of Demiurg, but not squats. Squats are the one race I would raise my eyebrow at big time. Sisters of Battle are cooler than squats and I think the SOB are the most bland faction in the game by a light year. Both in terms of fluff, rules, and model design. Demiurg would finally see the Tau have a cool battle brother to throw down with.
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Gamgee wrote: Don't forget a totally cool Kroot Mercenaries with a Predator (movie)theme to it and not the lame space chicken theme. They can evolve to look different. Just say they evolved already and give the Kroot a cooler look than space chickens.
If Squats and Sisters come out before Kroot Mercenaries/Hunters/New Xenos faction ima be pissed.
I'll be equally pissed if the almighty Tau ie Kroots get yet more stuff rather than actually giving the Sisters new models and a updated Codex.
Back on topic rather than which other Codex needs stuff: A Genestealer Cult based 40k or Kill team campaign pack with rules for Arbites and the like would be very interesting and with lots of potential for varied scenarios.
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Why? Space Marines get stuff all the time. Eldar get stuff all the time. If a race is becoming popular support it I say. The SOB are so low priority since the IoM is absolutely bloated with factions and support.
Look at the poor Necrons. Cool rules but they haven't had a model release in ages.
I don't personally like the GSC, but I say support it anyways! Good to see more Xenos and less IoM bloat.
Gamgee wrote: Why? Space Marines get stuff all the time. Eldar get stuff all the time. If a race is becoming popular support it I say. The SOB are so low priority since the IoM is absolutely bloated with factions and support.
Look at the poor Necrons. Cool rules but they haven't had a model release in ages.
I don't personally like the GSC, but I say support it anyways! Good to see more Xenos and less IoM bloat.
Tau get stuff all the time - not just from GW but from FW - were you not get excited at the all the new super suits?
Why is the IOM so bloated - manly due to the constant Marine releases. So Space Marines get all the stuff so the Sisters should get SFA? Awesome.
If you don't realise anything for it how exactly does it become popular - its a self fulfilling prophecy.
I am more than happy to see GSC - its looks ace - and hence why I bought the recent boxed set.
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Tricky to see if that Russ is actually being directed to fire at the commandeered transport by its commander?
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Maybe Alan Merrett had a point, because I'm going to play Devil's advocate here and say I do not like this idea of a Genestealer Cult.
First and foremost, I will say the cult models we have to date are wonderful models, and I have no doubt that these new models will be equally as good, none the less, for me, the fluff is important here, and the fluff doesn't add up IMO.
I'm a huge Space Hulk fan, and for me, the terror of genestealers has always been those dark, narrow corridors, and that heart in mouth feeling when a genestealer is rushing towards your terminator, and then your storm bolter jams....
I like the genestealer models, and have always seen them as shock troops to tear apart power or terminator armour, but I never saw them as infiltrators (the lictor is far better for that IMO) or even as cultists...
For me, the dark heart of the Imperium, the enemy within, has always been Chaos cultists, and these are far more terrifying than any alien cult, because these humans, are no different to you or I, fluff wise...
If they could fall, so could we...
To my mind, it seems nonsensical to have two different cults like this in the background, because it dilutes the impact like both...
So yeah, great models, but gak fluff.
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