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 BloodGrin wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
This look so amazing. Except for the 1 on the dices. Damn is GW stubborn and moronic sometime. Eveybody and their mothers been asking for the symbol on the 6, yet they continue to put it on the 1. They lose a lot of sales because of that.

It's actually a perfect metaphor for what is wrong tho.. even something as simple as dice they do the exact opposite of what people have wanted for years and years.

Horse gak.
What will it take for people to get over the cliche "Games Workshop bad" brain disease that permeates this place?
GW has done pretty much everything right now for well over a year.
You want FAQs? BOOM
You want lower priced boxes? BOOM
You want to move the story? BOOM
Plastic HH? BOOM
Deathwatch? BOOM
Genestealer Cult? BOOM
Admech? Harlequins? Making good codexes with alot of updates and campaigns? BOOM
Even White Dwarf is fantastic again.

Get over living in the boo hoo past and enjoy what is happening, if you don't you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Squats, Sisters when those return then... then you can say GW has reformed.

S.Y.

 streetsamurai wrote:
what are the lower priced boxes you are talking about? A lot of their release are still outrageously expensive.

Don't say the start collecting boxes, since they are not different than the batallion we had before, and are therefore not something new (GW always had some discounted bundles). The problem never was the price of what is included in these bundles, but the price of the minis that you have to buy individually. And they have done nothing to change this (Kharn at 35 USD, and 10 ugly monoposed naked swarves at 60 USD)

Agreed for the rest of your post ( except that I don't think a lot of people actually wanted GW to move the storyline, at least, not the majority of the customers

Storm cloud boxes, knight renegade boxes they've had a few discount bundles, free sprues in deathwatch boxes, death masque etc. To name a few

I don't see, why SC boxes aren't a good example of
Lower prices. Instead of making every kit in existence a little bit cheaper, they make bundles,(not online one-click crap, like before) that offers a good discount. Making every kit cheaper won't happen. Ever. Can you give me an example of any other wargaming company, that lowers their price on already existing models
Afaik, not unless it's Black Friday or something, but that's just for a limited period of time.
Death Masque, Imperial Knight game- they give you a chance to save, thus a sum you spend per army is less= cheaper product. Death watch vets are cheaper, than sternguard, as well as the master of the watch.

Squats are eaten by nids though plus they would just be stunty marines, which is kinda boring, imho.. In my opinion everything further away from SM design is cooler.

It turning into a pricing thread again, so back on topic

I hope sentinels are in the list- converting some ad mech dragoons into Giger-walkers with a gene cult theme would be awesome! Leman Russes are a tougher to "Giger/gene cult-tify"... Maybe carnifexes adjacent to hybrids?

 streetsamurai wrote:
what are the lower priced boxes you are talking about? A lot of their release are still outrageously expensive.

Don't say the start collecting boxes, since they are not different than the batallion we had before, and are therefore not something new (GW always had some discounted bundles). The problem never was the price of what is included in these bundles, but the price of the minis that you have to buy individually. And they have done nothing to change this (Kharn at 35 USD, and 10 ugly monoposed naked swarves at 60 USD)

Agreed for the rest of your post ( except that I don't think a lot of people actually wanted GW to move the storyline, at least, not the majority of the customers

How is the Start Collecting box not different? It's a starting force with an exclusive formation. All you need is the codex and a rule book to start playing. Or grab an AoS one where the rules are free, and the Handbook is only required for points play

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
I don't see, why SC boxes aren't a good example of
Lower prices. Instead of making every kit in existence a little bit cheaper, they make bundles,(not online one-click crap, like before) that offers a good discount. Making every kit cheaper won't happen. Ever. Can you give me an example of any other wargaming company, that lowers their price on already existing models
Afaik, not unless it's Black Friday or something, but that's just for a limited period of time.
Death Masque, Imperial Knight game- they give you a chance to save, thus a sum you spend per army is less= cheaper product. Death watch vets are cheaper, than sternguard, as well as the master of the watch.
It turning into a pricing thread again, so back on topic

I hope sentinels are in the list- converting some ad mech dragoons into Giger-walkers with a gene cult theme would be awesome! Leman Russes are a tougher to "Giger/gene cult-tify"... Maybe carnifexes adjacent to hybrids?

The point is that these kind of bundles always existed and are not something new for GW. Pointing to them as an example of lowering prices is not a good example since they only replaced the batallion and strike force that existed before, and which offered a comparable discount.


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 jreilly89 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
what are the lower priced boxes you are talking about? A lot of their release are still outrageously expensive.

Don't say the start collecting boxes, since they are not different than the batallion we had before, and are therefore not something new (GW always had some discounted bundles). The problem never was the price of what is included in these bundles, but the price of the minis that you have to buy individually. And they have done nothing to change this (Kharn at 35 USD, and 10 ugly monoposed naked swarves at 60 USD)

Agreed for the rest of your post ( except that I don't think a lot of people actually wanted GW to move the storyline, at least, not the majority of the customers

How is the Start Collecting box not different? It's a starting force with an exclusive formation. All you need is the codex and a rule book to start playing. Or grab an AoS one where the rules are free, and the Handbook is only required for points play

Same thing applied for the strikeforce/battalion (minus the formation, which didn't exist at the time), yu cpould play a game out of the box with them (yes you had to convert a guy to a HQ, but it's easy to do)

 aka_mythos wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Well, yeah. Agreed! The right one is definitely a Leman Russ. The one of the left looks...different! Like a jeep or something!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2016/9/21/1a73d8207ac85f81ea1c4d27186f09b9_1787.jpg

The "jeep" looks to have the same wheel base and proportions as that "armored car" we've seen art for... it seems easy to believe GW might have two versions from one kit for it. One purely open topped as the silhouette version looks like and then the semi-enclosed with the parapet like the art.

This is exactly what I thought when I saw this image...I think this is a variant of the armored car from the teaser video.

I think the kit will be the spiritual ancestor of the Arbites Riot Control Vehicle scratch built by McVey back in the day...



And with their current track record of bringing back all that was once cool, we'll see an Arbites release sooner than later...and this vehicle may likely be the basis for an Arbites armored vehicle...just like they have multiple variants based on the Chimera chassis.

The discount wasn't as good, iirc. Also, the new boxes may be played legally straight out of the box. Meaning you don't also then have to buy an H.Q. model to play, thereby also lowering the entry price point by another $25-$35.

Anyway, if they don't include an upgrade sprue for any guard vehicles for gsc I'll be disappointed. It would be a perfect way to create even more genestealer cult models because any head swaps etc would be compatible with the rest of the guard range.

Variety being the spice of life, and all that.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
what are the lower priced boxes you are talking about? A lot of their release are still outrageously expensive.

Don't say the start collecting boxes, since they are not different than the batallion we had before, and are therefore not something new (GW always had some discounted bundles). The problem never was the price of what is included in these bundles, but the price of the minis that you have to buy individually. And they have done nothing to change this (Kharn at 35 USD, and 10 ugly monoposed naked swarves at 60 USD)

Agreed for the rest of your post ( except that I don't think a lot of people actually wanted GW to move the storyline, at least, not the majority of the customers

How is the Start Collecting box not different? It's a starting force with an exclusive formation. All you need is the codex and a rule book to start playing. Or grab an AoS one where the rules are free, and the Handbook is only required for points play

Same thing applied for the strikeforce/battalion (minus the formation, which didn't exist at the time), yu cpould play a game out of the box with them (yes you had to convert a guy to a HQ, but it's easy to do)

So GW raised the prices, people complained, then GW did the right thing and made deals and you're still mad? Sure, it's not new, but the sitrkeforce/battalions are no longer in production and can only be bought on eBay or Amazon for a higher amount.

I do hope we'll at least get a reference in the fluff to other species succumbing to GC's. But, it's looking Imperium heavy.

Orks definitely used to have a freebooter faction, but the ork genome at least partly resisted the cult. Also, I can imagine Tau, with their shorter lifespans working as well. Kroot? Ratlings? Eldar would be difficult, slow, long gestation etc. But possible. - Has their ever been a Chaos world that was infiltrated?

I suppose the lifespan and inherent psykers make humans the most viable, but still.

BloodGrin wrote:Horse gak.
What will it take for people to get over the cliche "Games Workshop bad" brain disease that permeates this place?
GW has done pretty much everything right now for well over a year.

False. Over a year? It's only been 8 months that GW started the Smoke and Mirrors. Not over a year at all.

You want FAQs? BOOM

SHUKALAKA! Where are they? I don't seem them anywhere. Just first drafts that are not official or on GW website. Oh yeah FAQs on GW web site are over a year old.

You want lower priced boxes? BOOM

SHUKALAKA. I think people wanted cheaper prices on what they want, not WHAT GW is telling you to buy. Where are my cheaper prices for the Pyrovore? Where are my cheaper prices for Raveners? Where are my cheaper prices or anything that is not in a Get Started box? GW is not cheaper, just an illusion it
s cheaper to get into. $100 Canadian is still a good chunk of coin to get started. Cheaper yes, but then shockingly expensive when you have to buy the rule book, codices and OTHER MINIS that ARE NOT CHEAPER.

You want to move the story? BOOM

SHUKALAKA. OOOOOOO the throne has started to fail. That is story advancement? Not very original. Oh wait, a story GW did Years ago, they are doing it again. Been there done that. Not very exciting since it can all disappear just like the first time.

Plastic HH? BOOM

SHUKALAKA. What was that about cheaper prices?

Deathwatch? BOOM

Out of how many BOOM you are doing you only have one fact correct. I guess that is the crap that stuck to the wall?

Genestealer Cult? BOOM

SHUKALAKA. Ah tooting the horn before it's even released? You know that poop I was just talking about? It might stick to the wall. But again it can slide right now. Looks like you may have BOOMED pre maturely

Admech? Harlequins? Making good codexes with alot of updates and campaigns? BOOM

SHUKALAKA. Not really seeing the Harlequins on the table. Are they really that good? Has the crap stuck to the wall or did it slide down? Might have to give you this one.

Even White Dwarf is fantastic again.

No it's not. It just doesn't smell as bad. Yet. Again why not wait after 12 issues and then toot your horn. Already two pre matures shots? Is this a third?

Get over living in the boo hoo past and enjoy what is happening, if you don't you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Or you have people like you white knighting everything and making excuses where people actually have LEGITAMITE reasons?

Oh you forgot your last BOOM!

 BloodGrin wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
This look so amazing. Except for the 1 on the dices. Damn is GW stubborn and moronic sometime. Eveybody and their mothers been asking for the symbol on the 6, yet they continue to put it on the 1. They lose a lot of sales because of that.

It's actually a perfect metaphor for what is wrong tho.. even something as simple as dice they do the exact opposite of what people have wanted for years and years.

Horse gak.
What will it take for people to get over the cliche "Games Workshop bad" brain disease that permeates this place?
GW has done pretty much everything right now for well over a year.
You want FAQs? BOOM
You want lower priced boxes? BOOM
You want to move the story? BOOM
Plastic HH? BOOM
Deathwatch? BOOM
Genestealer Cult? BOOM
Admech? Harlequins? Making good codexes with alot of updates and campaigns? BOOM
Even White Dwarf is fantastic again.

Get over living in the boo hoo past and enjoy what is happening, if you don't you have nobody to blame but yourself.

GW is getting better, but they're nowhere near as good as youre making them out to be. Codexes are still widely imbalanced and prices have gone up if anything. Those Genestealer cultists for example are probably going to be over $40 a box MSRP for models that are maybe 50-60 pts a squad tops.

I'm not arguing that they're not improving, just that they're nowhere near as good as you make them sound.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
what are the lower priced boxes you are talking about? A lot of their release are still outrageously expensive.

Don't say the start collecting boxes, since they are not different than the batallion we had before, and are therefore not something new (GW always had some discounted bundles). The problem never was the price of what is included in these bundles, but the price of the minis that you have to buy individually. And they have done nothing to change this (Kharn at 35 USD, and 10 ugly monoposed naked swarves at 60 USD)

Agreed for the rest of your post ( except that I don't think a lot of people actually wanted GW to move the storyline, at least, not the majority of the customers

How is the Start Collecting box not different? It's a starting force with an exclusive formation. All you need is the codex and a rule book to start playing. Or grab an AoS one where the rules are free, and the Handbook is only required for points play

Same thing applied for the strikeforce/battalion (minus the formation, which didn't exist at the time), yu cpould play a game out of the box with them (yes you had to convert a guy to a HQ, but it's easy to do)

So GW raised the prices, people complained, then GW did the right thing and made deals and you're still mad? Sure, it's not new, but the sitrkeforce/battalions are no longer in production and can only be bought on eBay or Amazon for a higher amount.

I wonder how on earth you arrived to the conclusion that I'm mad by reading my post. Only thing I did was correct the fallacy that GW has reduced their prices recently, by pointing out that bundle box is not something new from GW.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Really don't know what the problem is with GSC stealing Guard vehicles. Them getting Russes is nothing new.

I'm pretty exited about the GSC, but I can see how looted vehicle can be irritating to IG players.
Tanks are IG's thing. The Leman Russ is an iconic model, and is part of what defines IG. If another army is given the right to use that model, then IG looses some of what makes it unique.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
The discount wasn't as good, iirc. Also, the new boxes may be played legally straight out of the box. Meaning you don't also then have to buy an H.Q. model to play, thereby also lowering the entry price point by another $25-$35.

Anyway, if they don't include an upgrade sprue for any guard vehicles for gsc I'll be disappointed. It would be a perfect way to create even more genestealer cult models because any head swaps etc would be compatible with the rest of the guard range.

Variety being the spice of life, and all that.

The discount were in fact pretty much the same iirc. And the fact that no HQ were included actually made these boxes more usefull, since you weren't stuck with a bunch of useless HQ if you bought more than one.

For example, for the same price of the start collecting boxes (50 pounds) the Orks battleforce included 82,50 worth of stuffi, while the start collecting only include 80 pounds worth of stuff. And, as I said, if you bought multiple battleforce, you weren't stuck with multiple painboyz, as would be the case with the start collecting boxes.

Am I raging mind at GW for it? No. But I won't give them credit for doing something they always done like some white knights do.

Does anyone know where the plans are located to make the old school limo?

I have plenty of the old school hybrids, a couple of boxes of IG, and some conversion stuff for Genestealers....


Would like to see the old school Deathwing story scenarios, as well.

fresus wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Really don't know what the problem is with GSC stealing Guard vehicles. Them getting Russes is nothing new.

I'm pretty exited about the GSC, but I can see how looted vehicle can be irritating to IG players.
Tanks are IG's thing. The Leman Russ is an iconic model, and is part of what defines IG. If another army is given the right to use that model, then IG looses some of what makes it unique.

Orks had the Leman Russ, LatD too, even Space Wolves (the Exterminator version). It's really not that new.


Regarding the dice: just perform the old and sacred ritual of changing them with your opponent before the match and it all makes sense.

Yeah, nearly all the IGuard vehicles were included in the last "official", proper Genestealer Cult list (2nd Edition). The idea being that it would represent Planetary Defense Forces that had been infiltrated and subverted by cultists.

I see no problem with the Cult getting tanks and APCs. In fact, I'd be disappointed if they didn't.

StupidYellow wrote:

 BloodGrin wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
This look so amazing. Except for the 1 on the dices. Damn is GW stubborn and moronic sometime. Eveybody and their mothers been asking for the symbol on the 6, yet they continue to put it on the 1. They lose a lot of sales because of that.

It's actually a perfect metaphor for what is wrong tho.. even something as simple as dice they do the exact opposite of what people have wanted for years and years.

Horse gak.
What will it take for people to get over the cliche "Games Workshop bad" brain disease that permeates this place?
GW has done pretty much everything right now for well over a year.
You want FAQs? BOOM
You want lower priced boxes? BOOM
You want to move the story? BOOM
Plastic HH? BOOM
Deathwatch? BOOM
Genestealer Cult? BOOM
Admech? Harlequins? Making good codexes with alot of updates and campaigns? BOOM
Even White Dwarf is fantastic again.

Get over living in the boo hoo past and enjoy what is happening, if you don't you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Squats, Sisters when those return then... then you can say GW has reformed.

S.Y.

People actually want Squats? What would they even do with them nowadays as an army type anyways? The better stuff for them was epic and I doubt we'd see some strange train weaponry.

Agreed. I like the old school focus of GW, but squats would be a disaster. What an uninteresting concept that was.

Heh the GSC seems to taken mining/industrial theme now anyway.

 gorgon wrote:
Well, Obi-Wan called them precise, so perhaps they're BS2 in a universe of BS1.

I know I'm a bit late to the party, but I couldn't stop laughing when I saw this.

And the amazing thing is that Obi-Wan is probably right. I deal with precision and accuracy at work a fair deal, precision is essentially your ability to replicate similar results, and accuracy being your ability to obtain your intended target. Thus one can be precise and not accurate. When I read your comment I just imagined stormtroopers continually firing at Obi-Wan in cover, and continuously hitting the same barrel and him thinking "Man are these guys precise!"

All goofiness aside, I'm really excited a proper Cult codex is coming out. I don't really have interest in 40k for a number of reasons, but I'm pretty keen on putting together a Kill Team from my Overkill stuff, and this gives me that option now. Hopefully the boxed sets have some cool new options. I'm really intrigued by the idea they could be getting more mining based weapons.

Honestly, I never thought Sisters were that strong of a concept. Space marine nuns with guns seems shallow to me compared to the more archetypical concepts GW tends to roll with. I also think faith is a hard concept to translate into game mechanics, and GW has struggled with that IMO.

When you see them on the tabletop, I don't think there's enough differentiation from SM. The freakshow stuff, sure. But Sisters themselves are still more or less weaker SM, carrying similar equipment and riding around in similar vehicles. Maybe that's just a matter of better rules for the freakshow units that get them on the table.

I think they're mostly strong visually, but to me they don't seem like a polished concept despite having been through a few codices and permutations. Not saying they should be squatted, mind you. Given how they're getting through concepts as old as GCults, I'm sure they have something planned.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 BloodGrin wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
This look so amazing. Except for the 1 on the dices. Damn is GW stubborn and moronic sometime. Eveybody and their mothers been asking for the symbol on the 6, yet they continue to put it on the 1. They lose a lot of sales because of that.

It's actually a perfect metaphor for what is wrong tho.. even something as simple as dice they do the exact opposite of what people have wanted for years and years.

Horse gak.
What will it take for people to get over the cliche "Games Workshop bad" brain disease that permeates this place?
GW has done pretty much everything right now for well over a year.
You want FAQs? BOOM
You want lower priced boxes? BOOM
You want to move the story? BOOM
Plastic HH? BOOM
Deathwatch? BOOM
Genestealer Cult? BOOM
Admech? Harlequins? Making good codexes with alot of updates and campaigns? BOOM
Even White Dwarf is fantastic again.

Get over living in the boo hoo past and enjoy what is happening, if you don't you have nobody to blame but yourself.

GW is getting better, but they're nowhere near as good as youre making them out to be. Codexes are still widely imbalanced and prices have gone up if anything. Those Genestealer cultists for example are probably going to be over $40 a box MSRP for models that are maybe 50-60 pts a squad tops.

I'm not arguing that they're not improving, just that they're nowhere near as good as you make them sound.

Agreed, btw, I never expected to see someone praise GW for the quality of their codex Guess it shows that Roundtree could talk a gak directly in these fanboys mouth and make them believe it's chocolate ice cream (which they'll have to pay for of course)

 Dryaktylus wrote:

fresus wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Really don't know what the problem is with GSC stealing Guard vehicles. Them getting Russes is nothing new.

I'm pretty exited about the GSC, but I can see how looted vehicle can be irritating to IG players.
Tanks are IG's thing. The Leman Russ is an iconic model, and is part of what defines IG. If another army is given the right to use that model, then IG looses some of what makes it unique.

Orks had the Leman Russ, LatD too, even Space Wolves (the Exterminator version). It's really not that new.


Regarding the dice: just perform the old and sacred ritual of changing them with your opponent before the match and it all makes sense.

Space Wolves used to be able to take Leman Russ Tanks, too. Right?

Anyway, it doesn't matter anymore with Allies and Formations and gak. My Black Templars can take Leman Russ tanks buffed by Sanctioned Psychers!

Fluffy at feth!

 gorgon wrote:
Honestly, I never thought Sisters were that strong of a concept. Space marine nuns with guns seems shallow to me compared to the more archetypical concepts GW tends to roll with. I also think faith is a hard concept to translate into game mechanics, and GW has struggled with that IMO.

When you see them on the tabletop, I don't think there's enough differentiation from SM. The freakshow stuff, sure. But Sisters themselves are still more or less weaker SM, carrying similar equipment and riding around in similar vehicles. Maybe that's just a matter of better rules for the freakshow units that get them on the table.

I think they're mostly strong visually, but to me they don't seem like a polished concept despite having been through a few codices and permutations. Not saying they should be squatted, mind you. Given how they're getting through concepts as old as GCults, I'm sure they have something planned.

Indeed, I love the religious holy theme but I do hope they gain some more additional 'Unique' things to themselves.

Agreed, btw, I never expected to see someone praise GW for the quality of their codex Guess it shows that Roundtree could talk a gak directly in these fanboys mouth and make them believe it's chocolate ice cream (which they'll have to pay of course)

Not the 40k, but I can certainly say I'm enjoying the AoS Battletomes.

Not even the finest Dakka whining can dampen my excitement for this release. 20+ years I've waited, only now the minis are better and we get pretty tank toys too and big silly buzzsaws and mining lasers that even Marine players twist about. It's amazing!

And then I'll line them all up and they'all get shot to pieces before getting near assault and I'll still be smiling because GUYS IT'S FULL-ON GENESTEALER CULT.

DAE TOOKAR TAHHHNKS! Ah, dry 'em.

In the most recent pic the multi melta isn't on the Russ.
It's a sentinel in front of it.
You can see the front shape of it pretty well.

fresus wrote:
I'm pretty exited about the GSC, but I can see how looted vehicle can be irritating to IG players.

I'm an IG player. Doesn't bother me. Doesn't stop me from using my tanks or 'devalue' the tanks I have. The whole notion is absurd.

fresus wrote:
Tanks are IG's thing.

And infantry. And guns. GSC got them to. The thieves!!!

fresus wrote:
The Leman Russ is an iconic model, and is part of what defines IG. If another army is given the right to use that model, then IG looses some of what makes it unique.

Wolves had access to the Russ in 3rd Ed as well. Just sayin'. Plus with all the allies shenanigans that's been added to the game over the past few editions, I don't think that armies having units from other armies that big a deal. Again, it doesn't devalue the Russ, and it certainly doesn't stop people using it. Besides, the Leman Russ being part of GSC has been around for quite some time. I used to field them (and Land Raiders!) back in the day.

This is a complete non-issue, and is just Kan getting annoyed about nothing.

 BloodGrin wrote:
Horse gak.
What will it take for people to get over the cliche "Games Workshop bad" brain disease that permeates this place?
GW has done pretty much everything right now for well over a year.
You want FAQs? BOOM
You want lower priced boxes? BOOM
You want to move the story? BOOM
Plastic HH? BOOM
Deathwatch? BOOM
Genestealer Cult? BOOM
Admech? Harlequins? Making good codexes with alot of updates and campaigns? BOOM
Even White Dwarf is fantastic again.

Get over living in the boo hoo past and enjoy what is happening, if you don't you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Dude, are you for real?

 Grot 6 wrote:
Does anyone know where the plans are located to make the old school limo?

I have plenty of the old school hybrids, a couple of boxes of IG, and some conversion stuff for Genestealers....

Would like to see the old school Deathwing story scenarios, as well.

There werent plans for scratchbuilding limos, were there? I remember the text-only WD article and this excellent, recent report by the Eldritch Epistle blog also showing the underside of the original limos:

http://eldritchepistles.blogspot.de/2013/06/bryan-ansells-genestealer-cult.html

The Fyreslayers release was still set under the 'old' GW mentality. The releases since then have been cheaper. The Start Collecting boxes have a number of options which offer significantly increased savings as compared to the old battalion boxes, but more importantly they are better because they more or less only include units people would actually use, whereas the majority of battalion boxes had at least one unit that was bad enough few players used it. All-in-all having a Genestealer Cult release at all is an improvement and I think the placement of symbols on limited edition dice is a minor detail.