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The armour values and HP of the rockgrinder is boding well for Kill Team...

I am looking forwards to unleashing my Sisters of Battle and Ordo Hereticus/Ordo Xenos Inquisitors onto the Cults.

I am also looking forwards to building my own Cult!

As far as Astra Militarum goes for allying in, what would be an optimal troop/hq tax for a CAD to get things like basilisks and wyverns?

Commissar? Command Squad? 2x10 Veteran squads? I've played vs guard enough to know what those units do, but i really don't have any experience actually using them myself.

A Lord Commissar (converted up to be some form of Magus?) and two squads of veterans toting flamers and shotguns would fit nicely with the rest of the cult, and then give you access to all the nasty artillery pieces.

Renegades, and purg detachment.

 Ambience 327 wrote:
GSC are rumored to "Allies of Convenience" with Astra Militarum - which makes it easy to ally them in.

It also means I can have my Deathstrike "Doomsday Weapon" with a very small tax of an HQ and a squad of Veterans.

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

So if you have Tyranids be Ally of Convenience to Genestealer Cult and be Ally of Convenience Astra Militrarium how does it work between Tyranids and Astra Militarium? They still be Come the Apocalypose or what ever it's called now? Or can you only ally with one other codex at the same time?

I haven't seen any conformation of this new allies chart. I suspect that it isn't true due to posted by a extreme dubious source and that we just just the one we already know of. But in the case that it is true.

A - B allies of Con
A - C Allies of Con
B - C Come at the appoc.

So A and B can come close to each other without any issues. So can A and C, but B and C have to watch follow all the rules for come at the appoc.

Davor wrote:

 Ambience 327 wrote:
GSC are rumored to "Allies of Convenience" with Astra Militarum - which makes it easy to ally them in.

It also means I can have my Deathstrike "Doomsday Weapon" with a very small tax of an HQ and a squad of Veterans.

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

So if you have Tyranids be Ally of Convenience to Genestealer Cult and be Ally of Convenience Astra Militrarium how does it work between Tyranids and Astra Militarium? They still be Come the Apocalypose or what ever it's called now? Or can you only ally with one other codex at the same time?

They still are CtA allies with each other.

It is really no new rule situation for example an army with CSM, Deamons and Orks already create a quite similar situation.

Indeed. What it really does is makes it quite inconvenient and less powerful to combine all three armies, but makes it really easy to add one or the other to the Cult to represent various possible occurrences.

A) Only in a formation there will be guard troops.

"- formations that make use of both the Genestealer Cults and Astra Militarum ranges, with notes on the wargear that Genestealer Cults scavenge and use for their own sinister ends;"

B) (Looking on the writing on the conversion page):
Normal Neophytes can take also guard equipment.

C) <.< Allies nonsense

Just noticed something....

"Any Goliath Rockgrinder may be equipped with a cache of demolition charges"

Could it be? Does GW actually have the guts to give the Genestealer Cult an actual terrorist car-bomb?


(Also, my homebrew Cult Codex "rigged systems" already being modeled on to some of my vehicles may be a nice boon. )

 Ambience 327 wrote:
Just noticed something....

"Any Goliath Rockgrinder may be equipped with a cache of demolition charges"

Could it be? Does GW actually have the guts to give the Genestealer Cult an actual terrorist car-bomb?


(Also, my homebrew Cult Codex "rigged systems" already being modeled on to some of my vehicles may be a nice boon. )

Either it's a car bomb(so would explode using a higher strength and ap than usual), or rather just a ranged demolitions charge that can be thrown from the vehicle the way Marbo used to do with his. Still, could be a nice way to add some S8 AP3 large blasts into the force.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Ambience 327 wrote:
Just noticed something....

"Any Goliath Rockgrinder may be equipped with a cache of demolition charges"

Could it be? Does GW actually have the guts to give the Genestealer Cult an actual terrorist car-bomb?


(Also, my homebrew Cult Codex "rigged systems" already being modeled on to some of my vehicles may be a nice boon. )

Either it's a car bomb(so would explode using a higher strength and ap than usual), or rather just a ranged demolitions charge that can be thrown from the vehicle the way Marbo used to do with his. Still, could be a nice way to add some S8 AP3 large blasts into the force.

Could act as assault grenade as well. For 20 points it better be something good.

Or it could be like frag launchers so genestealer assaults into cover at init. Doh ninjaed

Timeshadow wrote:
Or it could be like frag launchers so genestealer assaults into cover at init. Doh ninjaed

As much as I'd love that I really don't forsee GW rules writers allowing Genestealers to have an assault vehicle at their disposal. I'd love to be wrong about that I just don't see it happening.

 xttz wrote:
Pre-emptively getting in on the ground floor with questions now, should someone surface with access to the codex:

Can we ever take more than one Patriarch, Magus or Primus?

Can there be more than 2 Broodmind psykers in an army? Do Cult psykers still get the Telepathy discipline?

What options Brood Brothers get compared to an IG infantry platoon? Do they get command/heavy/special weapons squads, etc?

Do we get any Leman Russ variants?

Are there any anti-air options in the codex?

I really don't see the need for anti-air, to be honest. Your Nid allies provide you with flying hive tyrants, i.e. one of the best anti-air units in the game. If that doesn't strike your fancy, take a Crone, or just ignore the enemy flyers. With the notable exception of Flyrants, most flyers aren't that great a dealing with hordes.

I don't think that the cult is intended to be used with tyranid allies. Those "allies" will also devour the cult when they reach the planet, thats the whole fun of the fluff behind this army ; )

shadowfinder wrote:
Could act as assault grenade as well. For 20 points it better be something good.

Timeshadow wrote:
Or it could be like frag launchers so genestealer assaults into cover at init. Doh ninjaed

I thought about that, but the Goliath Rockgrinder is not Open-Topped nor an Assault Vehicle, so how would that work? On the next turn?

No, I don't think it will be like the Frag Launchers. It will probably either be a car-bomb type deal, or else anti-assault defense like fire barrels.

 Asmodas wrote:
I really don't see the need for anti-air, to be honest. Your Nid allies provide you with flying hive tyrants, i.e. one of the best anti-air units in the game. If that doesn't strike your fancy, take a Crone, or just ignore the enemy flyers. With the notable exception of Flyrants, most flyers aren't that great a dealing with hordes.

Either that, or just take a fortification with anti-air guns.

Theory for Tyranids, Genestealer Cults and Astra Militarum allies.

It is possible that Genestealer Cults's Astra Militarum become brood brother and cannot mix them up because of issues order and different rank. Military and mining don't mix. Military won't let mining people use their vehicle or ride one.

Same story as Tyranids don't want ride in mining tank or accept order from genestealer cult. Warriors dislike non-biotech anyway.

Astra Militarum become part of Genestealer cult instead of imperial then can be allies with Tyranids.

Theory!

Aren't they just giving the squad free Imperial guard style demo charges the turn they disembark. This doesn't seem bad at all.


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Solidcrash wrote:
Theory for Tyranids, Genestealer Cults and Astra Militarum allies.
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Same story as Tyranids don't want ride in mining tank or accept order from genestealer cult. Warriors dislike non-biotech anyway.
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Tyrands are the eldritch horrors of the 40k universe they come from the depths of the void when called by an insane cult. They don't play nice or ask for a ride, they just eat everybody : P

 Ambience 327 wrote:
GSC are rumored to "Allies of Convenience" with Astra Militarum - which makes it easy to ally them in.

It also means I can have my Deathstrike "Doomsday Weapon" with a very small tax of an HQ and a squad of Veterans.

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

100% sure IG and Tyranids are allies of convenience

Tyranid607 wrote:

100% sure IG and Tyranids are allies of convenience

100% sure they're not lol. You mean GSC and IG?

Timeshadow wrote:
Or it could be like frag launchers so genestealer assaults into cover at init. Doh ninjaed

That's is called blasting charge , almost all unit have that by default

 jifel wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:

100% sure IG and Tyranids are allies of convenience

100% sure they're not lol. You mean GSC and IG?

He means IG and Tyranids are AoC to GSC.

Maybe the 20pts charge transform the goliath into an assault vehicle. Especially if purestrains (and maybe abherrants or metamorph) are not able to embark upon vehicles.

 jifel wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:

100% sure IG and Tyranids are allies of convenience

100% sure they're not lol. You mean GSC and IG?

I can't remember the exact wording they use but GSC can be ally of convenience with Tyranids/IG, and all other is Apocalypose
But the problem is, is it "Tyranids and IG" or "Tyranids or IG"

 jifel wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:

100% sure IG and Tyranids are allies of convenience

100% sure they're not lol. You mean GSC and IG?

Pretty sure what was meant was "IG and Tyranuds are allies of convenience with Genestealer Cult

As I told both of the new tank is not open top and can fire up to 6 from rear and I can't recall seeing anything like IG troop inside

The tank have ability to destroy/ignore terrains
And one of the tank is able to do something like tank shock ( no idea what it is)


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One of the tank see water as a open ground instead of different terrain

Tyranid607 wrote:
As I told both of the new tank is not open top and can fire up to 6 from rear and I can't recall seeing anything like IG troop inside

The tank have ability to destroy/ignore terrains
And one of the tank is able to do something like tank shock ( no idea what it is)


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One of the tank see water as a open ground instead of different terrain

Do you know what the transport capacity is on the Goliath? Not the Rockgrinder version; we already know that one.