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Tyranid607 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:
Any word on what the full rules for the Web guns are? AP* and Cocooned seem like they could be interesting.

The AP value of a wound caused by this weapon is equal to the current S characteristic of the model it was allocated to. For example if a wound from a web weapon was allocated to a SM (S4) that wound is resolved at AP4. Against vehicle or models with a S of 7 or more this weapon is AP-

Interesting... makes it kind of weak against marines, but pretty damn effective against most other infantry. Does the Seismic Cannon Resonance rule do anything, or is it just used to clarify which profile you use at what range?

changemod wrote:

 CryonicCenobyte wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

changemod wrote:
Which relics is the patriarch allowed?

Looks like dagger and scourge. The others all have a superscript restricting them to the other characters only.

The Patriarch actually cannot take Relics at all. He literally only has two options on his datasheet:
+1 Psychic ML for the usual points
Take up to two Familiars at +5ppm

No other wargear options.

Makes sense, he's a purestrain stealer after all.

For an extremely dubious definition of sense, he's entirely a sentient being, and at very least the crouching is just a psychic manifestation even if you don't like the idea of a powerful mastermind Psyker with opposable thumbs using equipment for some unfathomable reason.

Anyhow yeah, that's very dissapointing for Biomancer builds. Not as much a problem for broodmind or telepathy, I guess.

Yeah actually it's odd he can't take the Crouchling, or the Scourge of the Stars thing whatever it's called, but eh. I'm not too beat up about it. The best use of Biomancy for him is not Iron Arm or Warp Speed but Endurance, and you can spam that off of a Magus just as well.

 CryonicCenobyte wrote:

changemod wrote:

 CryonicCenobyte wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

changemod wrote:
Which relics is the patriarch allowed?

Looks like dagger and scourge. The others all have a superscript restricting them to the other characters only.

The Patriarch actually cannot take Relics at all. He literally only has two options on his datasheet:
+1 Psychic ML for the usual points
Take up to two Familiars at +5ppm

No other wargear options.

Makes sense, he's a purestrain stealer after all.

For an extremely dubious definition of sense, he's entirely a sentient being, and at very least the crouching is just a psychic manifestation even if you don't like the idea of a powerful mastermind Psyker with opposable thumbs using equipment for some unfathomable reason.

Anyhow yeah, that's very dissapointing for Biomancer builds. Not as much a problem for broodmind or telepathy, I guess.

Yeah actually it's odd he can't take the Crouchling, or the Scourge of the Stars thing whatever it's called, but eh. I'm not too beat up about it. The best use of Biomancy for him is not Iron Arm or Warp Speed but Endurance, and you can spam that off of a Magus just as well.

Iron arm is the most -fun- thing to do with him though: I even had a conversion idea for it: Swap him out for a hive tyrant converted to a giant patriarch when it goes off.

 minionboy wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:
Any word on what the full rules for the Web guns are? AP* and Cocooned seem like they could be interesting.

The AP value of a wound caused by this weapon is equal to the current S characteristic of the model it was allocated to. For example if a wound from a web weapon was allocated to a SM (S4) that wound is resolved at AP4. Against vehicle or models with a S of 7 or more this weapon is AP-

Interesting... makes it kind of weak against marines, but pretty damn effective against most other infantry. Does the Seismic Cannon Resonance rule do anything, or is it just used to clarify which profile you use at what range?

to wound rolls and armour penetration rolls of 6 made with a weapon this special rule are always resolved at ap1
way better than webber

changemod wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:
Any word on what the full rules for the Web guns are? AP* and Cocooned seem like they could be interesting.

The AP value of a wound caused by this weapon is equal to the current S characteristic of the model it was allocated to. For example if a wound from a web weapon was allocated to a SM (S4) that wound is resolved at AP4. Against vehicle or models with a S of 7 or more this weapon is AP-

I cannot think of a single practical use for that trait.

I mean, it'd kill S3 3+ units well, but so would lots of things.

It'll mess up Aspect Warriors, Necrons and Sisters (lol). Sounds like it would stack well with Enfeeble against Marines too.

changemod wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:
Any word on what the full rules for the Web guns are? AP* and Cocooned seem like they could be interesting.

The AP value of a wound caused by this weapon is equal to the current S characteristic of the model it was allocated to. For example if a wound from a web weapon was allocated to a SM (S4) that wound is resolved at AP4. Against vehicle or models with a S of 7 or more this weapon is AP-

I cannot think of a single practical use for that trait.

I mean, it'd kill S3 3+ units well, but so would lots of things.

Is it a template because that's an infantry killer. It will kill most infantry except non scout marines. Considering most flamer type templates are only ap4/5 anyway and the majority of units are str 3-4. Not everything needs to be ap2.

gungo wrote:

changemod wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:
Any word on what the full rules for the Web guns are? AP* and Cocooned seem like they could be interesting.

The AP value of a wound caused by this weapon is equal to the current S characteristic of the model it was allocated to. For example if a wound from a web weapon was allocated to a SM (S4) that wound is resolved at AP4. Against vehicle or models with a S of 7 or more this weapon is AP-

I cannot think of a single practical use for that trait.

I mean, it'd kill S3 3+ units well, but so would lots of things.

Is it a template because that's an infantry killer. It will kill most infantry except non scout marines. Considering most flamer type templates are only ap4/5 anyway and the majority of units are str 3-4. Not everything needs to be ap2.

Both the pistol and the regular webber are small blast, not template.

So I've just decided to incorporate the GSC as my "Counts as Chaos Cultist list", using cultists as neophytes and Daemonettes/beastmen as Genestealers.

Well I think I know what Formations I'll be basing my eventual GSC army around.

 minionboy wrote:

gungo wrote:

changemod wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:
Any word on what the full rules for the Web guns are? AP* and Cocooned seem like they could be interesting.

The AP value of a wound caused by this weapon is equal to the current S characteristic of the model it was allocated to. For example if a wound from a web weapon was allocated to a SM (S4) that wound is resolved at AP4. Against vehicle or models with a S of 7 or more this weapon is AP-

I cannot think of a single practical use for that trait.

I mean, it'd kill S3 3+ units well, but so would lots of things.

Is it a template because that's an infantry killer. It will kill most infantry except non scout marines. Considering most flamer type templates are only ap4/5 anyway and the majority of units are str 3-4. Not everything needs to be ap2.

Both the pistol and the regular webber are small blast, not template.

Well that sucks for overwatch...

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Well I think I know what Formations I'll be basing my eventual GSC army around.

I'm glad you do, because I have no clue other than all of them.

SO... no "non" Unique HQ's?

 minionboy wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Well I think I know what Formations I'll be basing my eventual GSC army around.

I'm glad you do, because I have no clue other than all of them.

Who said that wasn't my plan

 Amishprn86 wrote:
SO... no "non" Unique HQ's?

Only in the Cult Insurrection Detachment, you can still double up on them all you want in a CAD.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
SO... no "non" Unique HQ's?

The only unique GWs are the ones in overkill. The ones in the codex are generic.

Tyranid607, can you confirm the purestrains are 13 pts each, and how much is it to give them scything talons? (Please be 2ppm)


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Generic but no doubling in a cult insurrection. You can do multiple CADs for extra magi or patriarchs etc.

Oh ok, thanks just overlooked then.

tyvm.

can you confirm the purestrains are 13 pts each, and how much is it to give them scything talons? (Please be 2ppm)

I can confirm that for you. And ScyTals are 3 pts each.

 CryonicCenobyte wrote:

can you confirm the purestrains are 13 pts each, and how much is it to give them scything talons? (Please be 2ppm)

I can confirm that for you. And ScyTals are 3 pts each.

SWEET. genestealers are back in a big way! Even when I main my tyranids I'll be using the first curse alongside.

 CryonicCenobyte wrote:

can you confirm the purestrains are 13 pts each, and how much is it to give them scything talons? (Please be 2ppm)

I can confirm that for you. And ScyTals are 3 pts each.

3 PPM is really skirting the line. For 208 points you get 16 stealers, or 13 with scything talons. 48 vs 52 attacks, I'd rather have 3 extra bodies than 4 more attacks for the same points, but that's just me.

Side note, has anyone bought the Genestealer Cults novel now available from Black Library, and is it any good?

 minionboy wrote:

 CryonicCenobyte wrote:

can you confirm the purestrains are 13 pts each, and how much is it to give them scything talons? (Please be 2ppm)

I can confirm that for you. And ScyTals are 3 pts each.

3 PPM is really skirting the line. For 208 points you get 16 stealers, or 13 with scything talons. 48 vs 52 attacks, I'd rather have 3 extra bodies than 4 more attacks for the same points, but that's just me.

Side note, has anyone bought the Genestealer Cults novel now available from Black Library, and is it any good?

The efficacy of talons in a squad is better served by only upgrading roughly half. The stock purestrains lead the unit and as they lose casualties, you still have your bonus attacks.

Considering the ability to charge from deployment or reserves, albeit a small one (unless you roll a 6 on warlord trait), you still have stealth and an invulnerable save while you set up charges or simply deter your opponent from going near a particular part of the board.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
SO... no "non" Unique HQ's?

The only unique GWs are the ones in overkill. The ones in the codex are generic.

Tyranid607, can you confirm the purestrains are 13 pts each, and how much is it to give them scything talons? (Please be 2ppm)


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Generic but no doubling in a cult insurrection. You can do multiple CADs for extra magi or patriarchs etc.

No Geneterstealer is 14ppm and Scything Talons 3ppm
WS6 S4 T4 W1 I6 A3 LD10 SV5++ YEs 5++
and gain furious charge if join by Partriarch

 CryonicCenobyte wrote:

can you confirm the purestrains are 13 pts each, and how much is it to give them scything talons? (Please be 2ppm)

I can confirm that for you. And ScyTals are 3 pts each.

Can you buy upgrade? Toxin sac ,,, adrenal glands, any other upgrades?

i sill dont understand what is the use of scything talons on genestealer


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shadowfinder wrote:

 CryonicCenobyte wrote:

can you confirm the purestrains are 13 pts each, and how much is it to give them scything talons? (Please be 2ppm)

I can confirm that for you. And ScyTals are 3 pts each.

Can you buy upgrade? Toxin sac ,,, adrenal glands, any other upgrades?

scything talons is the only upgrade

Tyranid607 wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
SO... no "non" Unique HQ's?

The only unique GWs are the ones in overkill. The ones in the codex are generic.

Tyranid607, can you confirm the purestrains are 13 pts each, and how much is it to give them scything talons? (Please be 2ppm)


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Generic but no doubling in a cult insurrection. You can do multiple CADs for extra magi or patriarchs etc.

No Geneterstealer is 14ppm and Scything Talons 3ppm
WS6 S4 T4 W1 I6 A3 LD10 SV5++ YEs 5++
and gain furious charge if join by Partriarch

And the unit size?

Tyranid607 wrote:
i sill dont understand what is the use of scything talons on genestealer


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shadowfinder wrote:

 CryonicCenobyte wrote:

can you confirm the purestrains are 13 pts each, and how much is it to give them scything talons? (Please be 2ppm)

I can confirm that for you. And ScyTals are 3 pts each.

Can you buy upgrade? Toxin sac ,,, adrenal glands, any other upgrades?

scything talons is the only upgrade

It's an extra melee weapon so they get +1 attack.

Are you sure they're 14 points base? You said earlier it was 13.

Any info on the magus? Upgrades cost?

 tetrisphreak wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:
i sill dont understand what is the use of scything talons on genestealer


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shadowfinder wrote:

 CryonicCenobyte wrote:

can you confirm the purestrains are 13 pts each, and how much is it to give them scything talons? (Please be 2ppm)

I can confirm that for you. And ScyTals are 3 pts each.

Can you buy upgrade? Toxin sac ,,, adrenal glands, any other upgrades?

scything talons is the only upgrade

It's an extra melee weapon so they get +1 attack.

Are you sure they're 14 points base? You said earlier it was 13.

14, my mistake

 tetrisphreak wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:
i sill dont understand what is the use of scything talons on genestealer


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shadowfinder wrote:

 CryonicCenobyte wrote:

can you confirm the purestrains are 13 pts each, and how much is it to give them scything talons? (Please be 2ppm)

I can confirm that for you. And ScyTals are 3 pts each.

Can you buy upgrade? Toxin sac ,,, adrenal glands, any other upgrades?

scything talons is the only upgrade

It's an extra melee weapon so they get +1 attack.

Are you sure they're 14 points base? You said earlier it was 13.

For the cost of a full unit upgrade. You can get one more acelote or meta!


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Any info on the magus?

shadowfinder wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:
i sill dont understand what is the use of scything talons on genestealer


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shadowfinder wrote:

 CryonicCenobyte wrote:

can you confirm the purestrains are 13 pts each, and how much is it to give them scything talons? (Please be 2ppm)

I can confirm that for you. And ScyTals are 3 pts each.

Can you buy upgrade? Toxin sac ,,, adrenal glands, any other upgrades?

scything talons is the only upgrade

It's an extra melee weapon so they get +1 attack.

Are you sure they're 14 points base? You said earlier it was 13.

For the cost of a full unit upgrade. You can get one more acelote or meta!


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Any info on the magus?

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Got to take a break

Ok well it feels like Christmas! Iconward and Leman Russ squadron?


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Ok thanks!