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KDK also has art for the fluff entries, models for the rules entries.

Anyone try the genestealer formation yet?

They always do bundle boxes of whatever is new and cool at xmas time.. so I'm betting there will be a GSC bundle of some sort. I'm starting with a Deathwatch Overkill box for now, and then I'm gonna see what else they have for the holidays when it's xmas bonus time

It'll probably take me 3 months to build and paint the deathwatch minis anyway.

Sorry, that was badly phased.

I have been told that another issuing of the dice is "very likely" by the store that couldn't fulfill my pre-order of them - having been told so by GW

I saw a set of Cult dice on eBay that had been bid up to $76.

Methinks that the seller will never collect on it, but I certainly wish I'd ordered another set...

 gorgon wrote:
I saw a set of Cult dice on eBay that had been bid up to $76.

Methinks that the seller will never collect on it, but I certainly wish I'd ordered another set...

Geeze, kind of glad I added a second set at the last moment when checking out.

Yeah I ordered 2 also... but still waiting for my stuff to show up. I'm impatient, want my toys now.

 CoteazRox wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
One thing I definitely noticed in this codex vs other 7th ed dexes: Art instead of just model pictures when it comes to the unit fluff entries! I'll have to check my other recent codexes when I get home, but I thought they'd removed that, and if they have, it's great to have it back!

The Chaos Daemons codex also have art instead of models for the fluff entries. Like it and looking forward to GSC codex.

CD I think is old enough that it would have that. The first codex where they switched to photos I think was 7th ed orks?

 Necros wrote:
Yeah I ordered 2 also... but still waiting for my stuff to show up. I'm impatient, want my toys now.

Well, my delivery got moved up again to tomorrow. If it happens, that's not too bad after all.

Here's the dice link in case anyone wants to bid $77.

link

tneva82 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Oh indeed, it's a non-question but TFGs abound...

For that logic to be valid there would have to be specific purestrain genestealer model so the TFG's for example couldn't use old genestealer models on 32mm bases to claim that logic as by their logic they aren't then anymore using purestrain stealer models but proxying it at which point you could say "no proxying" and hey presto he cannot field them.

Anybody seen specific purestrain stealer models from GW that are different to non-purestrain and which are on 32mm bases? Currently GW shop shows only one result for purestrain and that's stealers with 25mm base.

So if anybody tries it's laughably easy to prove them wrong. If I were in tournament with 'stealers I would find it amusing if somebody tried to pull that stunt since I could embarass them ridiculously easily.

The Overkill Box has pure strain Genestealers on 32mm.

Like I said. I get the logic they used to come to that conclusion, but it's not great logic. lol TBH if I start the army I would prob put them on 32's just because the genestealer arms over hang off the 25mm bases so bad. But that dosen't mean the 25mm bases are wrong.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Maybe I missed it in the last few pages or something, but is there any chance they will release the Ghosar Quintus Broodkin (all the GSC models from DW:OK) as a boxed set kind of like how they did Kill Team Cassius? I was hoping to pick up a set at some point just to have all the models from the game (I'm regretting splitting the box with a friend nowadays).

Unlikely.
The box contains the character sprue (Patriarch, Primus, Magus, two Familiars) which has been made available separately, and two copies of a second sprue with all the other models on it.
That sprue is not designed to be "folded" into a unit-sized box and you need two frames to fill a "monster" box. Additionally each sprue contains one Genestealer, two Aberrants, nine Acolytes, and eight Neophytes; that's one really weird mix for a box, considering it makes components for four separate units and not enough to make MSU for two of them.

It could possibly work if you got two of the frames plus a character-frame (perhaps the Iconward?) in a "getting started" size box. Though it wouldn't represent awesome value unless it was cheaper than the other getting started sets.

Even if GW orders another print of the Dice, they were made in China. It will be weeks, to months, before they can be produced and shipped.

Also, there are multiple sets going for nearly $40 + $15 shipping right now.

It would be awesome if GW made the dice they actually advertised, with symbols on the 6 and skulls on the 1.

 gorgon wrote:

 Necros wrote:
Yeah I ordered 2 also... but still waiting for my stuff to show up. I'm impatient, want my toys now.

Well, my delivery got moved up again to tomorrow. If it happens, that's not too bad after all.

Here's the dice link in case anyone wants to bid $77.

link

According to the FedEx tracker my order won't show up for 10 days!

Ragnar69 wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Can someone then answer what the differences are in the enhanced, gamers, and the other version are?

I think enhanced is the Apple Version with interaktive links and 360 degree views. gamers esitions are just rules, No fluff

The big thing about the interactive edition is when you see a rule, you tap/click on it and the rule is explained. For example blah blah weapon is assault and shred, then it goes on to explain what assault and shred do without turning pages.

 streamdragon wrote:
According to the FedEx tracker my order won't show up for 10 days!

Yeah, I seriously lost my cool with GW mail order when I pre-ordered the same product from GW and then a 3rd Party retailer and the 3rd party product arrived the same week as the release, but had to wait another week for the GW package to arrive.

Released on Saturday
Picked up on Monday
5-10 business days to arrive.

Feth GW's Mailorder. If I'm going to wait that long I might as well get a 20% discount.

I remember back when they shipped it to you so you would have it on release day.

Now they wait for release day before they even ship it.

*goes back to waiting impatiently for gribbly goodness*

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I remember back when they shipped it to you so you would have it on release day.

Now they wait for release day before they even ship it.

That is exactly why I was heated. I didn't realize that the policy had changed.

I was quite irrate to receive an email the Monday after it was released, telling me that Fedex had received earlier that morning and it would be more than a week until the expected delivery date.

FFS they get it to the retailers on Thursdays and Fridays before release, but the loyal custumer who buys it direct can sit and spin.

 adamsouza wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I remember back when they shipped it to you so you would have it on release day.

Now they wait for release day before they even ship it.

That is exactly why I was heated. I didn't realize that the policy had changed.

I was quite irrate to receive an email the Monday after it was released, telling me that Fedex had received earlier that morning and it would be more than a week until the expected delivery date.

FFS they get it to the retailers on Thursdays and Fridays before release, but the loyal custumer who buys it direct can sit and spin.

This isn't a new policy. They've been doing this since late 6th. I've been told its so that every pre order is filled - they've had issues with selling more than they make and then having to refund customers. Not sure as to the authenticity of that.

 adamsouza wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
According to the FedEx tracker my order won't show up for 10 days!

Yeah, I seriously lost my cool with GW mail order when I pre-ordered the same product from GW and then a 3rd Party retailer and the 3rd party product arrived the same week as the release, but had to wait another week for the GW package to arrive.

Released on Saturday
Picked up on Monday
5-10 business days to arrive.

Feth GW's Mailorder. If I'm going to wait that long I might as well get a 20% discount.

I would be more concerned if I played regularly (or at all, really). Also, the FedEx tracker keeps moving the day up. Now it is in a city an hour away from me, so I suspect it will not take the now 8 days they are estimating! Now I just have to wait for package number 2 (dice and kill team box) to see if I can convince a friend to start back up!

 Lockark wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Oh indeed, it's a non-question but TFGs abound...

For that logic to be valid there would have to be specific purestrain genestealer model so the TFG's for example couldn't use old genestealer models on 32mm bases to claim that logic as by their logic they aren't then anymore using purestrain stealer models but proxying it at which point you could say "no proxying" and hey presto he cannot field them.

Anybody seen specific purestrain stealer models from GW that are different to non-purestrain and which are on 32mm bases? Currently GW shop shows only one result for purestrain and that's stealers with 25mm base.

So if anybody tries it's laughably easy to prove them wrong. If I were in tournament with 'stealers I would find it amusing if somebody tried to pull that stunt since I could embarass them ridiculously easily.

The Overkill Box has pure strain Genestealers on 32mm.

Like I said. I get the logic they used to come to that conclusion, but it's not great logic. lol TBH if I start the army I would prob put them on 32's just because the genestealer arms over hang off the 25mm bases so bad. But that dosen't mean the 25mm bases are wrong.

But GW has purestrain stealers on sale with 25mm.

Only way they could arque is that the OK models are ONLY purestrain stealer models. Ie you cannot use the ones on GW store with 32mm bases as one and OK models cannot be used as normal stealers.

Good luck for them trying to convince anybody OK stealers and GW store stealers are totally different models. They are going to embarass themselves with the claim.

I'm sorry I seem to have started the pointless basing debate here by commenting about it. Because it is totally pointless.

tneva82 wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Oh indeed, it's a non-question but TFGs abound...

For that logic to be valid there would have to be specific purestrain genestealer model so the TFG's for example couldn't use old genestealer models on 32mm bases to claim that logic as by their logic they aren't then anymore using purestrain stealer models but proxying it at which point you could say "no proxying" and hey presto he cannot field them.

Anybody seen specific purestrain stealer models from GW that are different to non-purestrain and which are on 32mm bases? Currently GW shop shows only one result for purestrain and that's stealers with 25mm base.

So if anybody tries it's laughably easy to prove them wrong. If I were in tournament with 'stealers I would find it amusing if somebody tried to pull that stunt since I could embarass them ridiculously easily.

The Overkill Box has pure strain Genestealers on 32mm.

Like I said. I get the logic they used to come to that conclusion, but it's not great logic. lol TBH if I start the army I would prob put them on 32's just because the genestealer arms over hang off the 25mm bases so bad. But that dosen't mean the 25mm bases are wrong.

But GW has purestrain stealers on sale with 25mm.

Only way they could arque is that the OK models are ONLY purestrain stealer models. Ie you cannot use the ones on GW store with 32mm bases as one and OK models cannot be used as normal stealers.

Good luck for them trying to convince anybody OK stealers and GW store stealers are totally different models. They are going to embarass themselves with the claim.

the genestealer models are now added under the genestealer cult army under the purestrain genestealers name, so even that argument is busted now

Is it just me or does GSC seem like its going to be stupidly expensive to get an army, I mean even by usual GW standards?

That's probably the one thing keeping me away from them right now; the units tend to be large and cheap with points, and come with the 5-per-box-at-40-bucks strategy for a lot of them. They look amazing, but not sure if I can justify spending hundreds on just a small army because you need so many.

Wayniac wrote:
Is it just me or does GSC seem like its going to be stupidly expensive to get an army, I mean even by usual GW standards?

That's probably the one thing keeping me away from them right now; the units tend to be large and cheap with points, and come with the 5-per-box-at-40-bucks strategy for a lot of them. They look amazing, but not sure if I can justify spending hundreds on just a small army because you need so many.

Yup it is stupid crazy to make, especially a full 2000 point or more army.

Indeed .
That's why I won't get more than a 1000 points, probably... With nids allies most likely.

Dwk seems to help, but you can only care to sell so many deathwatch marines.
I hope "start collecting" is on its way..

It's not cheap but it's no crazier than a marine battle company and can be massaged cheaper than it initially looks.

I'm also going to be using Nid allies at first too.. starting with the Deathwatch overkill minis and then I probably won't get anything else besides a truck or 2 until they start doing the discounted bundles later on.

Wayniac wrote:
Is it just me or does GSC seem like its going to be stupidly expensive to get an army, I mean even by usual GW standards?

That's probably the one thing keeping me away from them right now; the units tend to be large and cheap with points, and come with the 5-per-box-at-40-bucks strategy for a lot of them. They look amazing, but not sure if I can justify spending hundreds on just a small army because you need so many.

The issue is that the kit you will most likely need the most of (Acolyte/Metamorph kit) is $40 for 5 models. The list I put together on Battlescribe would require between13 and 17 boxes depending on how many extras I would get for summoning. That alone is around $500-$700 USD! I'm hoping GW will eventually do something like they've done with a lot of other kits and increase the price of the kit but include more sprues. $60 for ten would still be about $10 more than I would like to pay, but I could swing $6 per model easier than I could the current $8.

 EnTyme wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
Is it just me or does GSC seem like its going to be stupidly expensive to get an army, I mean even by usual GW standards?

That's probably the one thing keeping me away from them right now; the units tend to be large and cheap with points, and come with the 5-per-box-at-40-bucks strategy for a lot of them. They look amazing, but not sure if I can justify spending hundreds on just a small army because you need so many.

The issue is that the kit you will most likely need the most of (Acolyte/Metamorph kit) is $40 for 5 models. The list I put together on Battlescribe would require between13 and 17 boxes depending on how many extras I would get for summoning. That alone is around $500-$700 USD! I'm hoping GW will eventually do something like they've done with a lot of other kits and increase the price of the kit but include more sprues. $60 for ten would still be about $10 more than I would like to pay, but I could swing $6 per model easier than I could the current $8.

I wouldn't be surprised if the inevitable Genestealer Cult Start Collecting is going to be 2x Metamorph/Acolyte boxes, an Iconward, and a Chimera or something.


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 Hulksmash wrote:
It's not cheap but it's no crazier than a marine battle company and can be massaged cheaper than it initially looks.

Especially if someone goes in on Overkill once or twice.

Hmm yeah. I had an idea to do like a 1k point army or something; I am wanting to try pushing smaller size games, because I feel they can be a lot more interesting than big throwdowns. Hard part is going to be getting people to agree... seems it's not that terrible at low points, just ramps up quickly.

I think its priced right for the models and sprues you get, its just that per point(which is also about right) its very expensive.

Luckily I think that kit bashing is going to be pretty easy and is encouraged.