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Yeah, I can see how it'd be very expensive to start from scratch. Thanks to my ample collection of painted models, right now I'm not planning to buy any of the new kits. My purchases are focused on bits to convert my existing stuff to fit the codex. Although I'll pick up a Rockgrinder down the road.

My first and current project is converting some OK Acolytes to be my Metamorphs and Iconward. It's a cheap and easy job. After that I'll be retrofitting my existing hybrids with new gear and such. I'd like to enhance my trucks and Purestrains too, and I have those improvements planned out already.

There's very little in my collection that I can't make work with this codex. And most of the things that don't can still be fielded as AM allies. Thank you GW studio team!

EnTyme wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
Is it just me or does GSC seem like its going to be stupidly expensive to get an army, I mean even by usual GW standards?

That's probably the one thing keeping me away from them right now; the units tend to be large and cheap with points, and come with the 5-per-box-at-40-bucks strategy for a lot of them. They look amazing, but not sure if I can justify spending hundreds on just a small army because you need so many.

The issue is that the kit you will most likely need the most of (Acolyte/Metamorph kit) is $40 for 5 models. The list I put together on Battlescribe would require between13 and 17 boxes depending on how many extras I would get for summoning. That alone is around $500-$700 USD! I'm hoping GW will eventually do something like they've done with a lot of other kits and increase the price of the kit but include more sprues. $60 for ten would still be about $10 more than I would like to pay, but I could swing $6 per model easier than I could the current $8.

Please explain. I thought we don't summon Genestealer Cults, they are replacements. So you would already have the minis, you are not getting more, just replacing what was already killed. Unless you plan on making a huge Cult in the first place. Maybe I am misinturpiting what you are saying by "summoning".

To me these are not extra minis, just minis being replaced what is already killed.

When do yall think Battlescribe will be updated for it? I know the codex is "there" but it doesnt have any of the weapon values, or rules, or basically anything lol

Battlescribe is already updated? The detachment and everything else is there!

Davor wrote:

EnTyme wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
Is it just me or does GSC seem like its going to be stupidly expensive to get an army, I mean even by usual GW standards?

That's probably the one thing keeping me away from them right now; the units tend to be large and cheap with points, and come with the 5-per-box-at-40-bucks strategy for a lot of them. They look amazing, but not sure if I can justify spending hundreds on just a small army because you need so many.

The issue is that the kit you will most likely need the most of (Acolyte/Metamorph kit) is $40 for 5 models. The list I put together on Battlescribe would require between13 and 17 boxes depending on how many extras I would get for summoning. That alone is around $500-$700 USD! I'm hoping GW will eventually do something like they've done with a lot of other kits and increase the price of the kit but include more sprues. $60 for ten would still be about $10 more than I would like to pay, but I could swing $6 per model easier than I could the current $8.

Please explain. I thought we don't summon Genestealer Cults, they are replacements. So you would already have the minis, you are not getting more, just replacing what was already killed. Unless you plan on making a huge Cult in the first place. Maybe I am misinturpiting what you are saying by "summoning".

To me these are not extra minis, just minis being replaced what is already killed.

There is a power that lets you summon new units

Yep- Broodmind power "Telepathic Summons", with a choice between WC2 and WC3 allowing you to summon things like Acolytes, Neophytes, Metamorphs, Aberrants and Purestrains. However, unlike normal Conjurations, they don't Deep Strike in, but instead arrive using Cult Ambush.

They can also arrive with any wargear options allowed on their datasheet, but no extra models or transports. So you can bring in 10 Acolytes w/ 4 Heavy Rock Saws, or 20 Neophytes w/ 2 Webbers and 2 Heavy Seismic Cannons, etc.

Oh, and since it is Broodmind, no extra Perils chance for our summoning, unlike non-Daemons summoning Daemons.

Angry wrote:
Battlescribe is already updated? The detachment and everything else is there!

It is, but whenever i do Formation Detachment, from GSC codex, if i make an army, the numbers for the guns are all blank, as well as the rules for all the stuff (It just says the rule name, and the rest is blank)... and who has what. >.>

It was also missing the Lords of the Cult formation last time I checked.

@Davor

I'm talking about using the Broodmind summoning power as others have mentioned.

 Ambience 327 wrote:
Yep- Broodmind power "Telepathic Summons", with a choice between WC2 and WC3 allowing you to summon things like Acolytes, Neophytes, Metamorphs, Aberrants and Purestrains. However, unlike normal Conjurations, they don't Deep Strike in, but instead arrive using Cult Ambush.

They can also arrive with any wargear options allowed on their datasheet, but no extra models or transports. So you can bring in 10 Acolytes w/ 4 Heavy Rock Saws, or 20 Neophytes w/ 2 Webbers and 2 Heavy Seismic Cannons, etc.

Oh, and since it is Broodmind, no extra Perils chance for our summoning, unlike non-Daemons summoning Daemons.

If I'm not mistaken (still learning the codex), Acolytes are limited to 1 heavy weapon per 5 models, so you'd only be able to summon 2x Heavy Rock Saws (and I'd actually prefer the Heavy Rock Cutter).

 EnTyme wrote:
If I'm not mistaken (still learning the codex), Acolytes are limited to 1 heavy weapon per 5 models, so you'd only be able to summon 2x Heavy Rock Saws (and I'd actually prefer the Heavy Rock Cutter).

For Acolytes it's 2 per 5 models, with a max of 8. Oddly though, Neophytes don't get any additional heavy ranged weapons for increasing their squad size.

Honestly if you want to curb cost just buy the crap out of DWOK. You get 12 acolytes and 16 neophytes, normally thats $96 for the acolytes and &64 for the neophytes, thats $160 not counting the characters or aberrants, counting the three characters and thats another $70, so $230 again not counting the genestealers of aberrants. You can buy the box for $140 with shipping. You can then sell kill team cassius for 40 bucks easy. So $230+ value for $100 after you sell off the marines. All you need are a couple boxes to get all the gear to flesh out the units.

You can also convert some of the special weapons and such. The Ork range has some good saw bits you can use for rock saws.

Is it the neophytes box that comes with all the extra bits, or is that the acolytes? or both? Or is it a whole separate upgrade sprue for mixing with cadians?

I have 2 boxes of Skitarii that I never really did anything with, was thinking of mixing in the stealer guns and heads with them.. but I'd need like 20 guns & heads altogether

Neither contain the upgrade sprue, it is only the Cadian shock troop box, armoured claw and the Leman Russ boxes that have it. You do get plenty of spare heads and weapons with the Neophytes though.

 Necros wrote:
Is it the neophytes box that comes with all the extra bits, or is that the acolytes? or both? Or is it a whole separate upgrade sprue for mixing with cadians?

I have 2 boxes of Skitarii that I never really did anything with, was thinking of mixing in the stealer guns and heads with them.. but I'd need like 20 guns & heads altogether

You can view both sprues online at GW's website. Both kits come with a ton of heads and arms and someone earlier in this thread posted on the ease of which the extra bits fit onto DWOK models.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Honestly if you want to curb cost just buy the crap out of DWOK. You get 12 acolytes and 16 neophytes, normally thats $96 for the acolytes and &64 for the neophytes, thats $160 not counting the characters or aberrants, counting the three characters and thats another $70, so $230 again not counting the genestealers of aberrants. You can buy the box for $140 with shipping. You can then sell kill team cassius for 40 bucks easy. So $230+ value for $100 after you sell off the marines. All you need are a couple boxes to get all the gear to flesh out the units.

Overkill boxes interspersed with acolytes and neophytes from the poseable kits would work as well; you get more heavy/special weapons in the kit than you can use in a single unit so if you make them up with all specials etc you can disperse them amongst the generic mono-pose dudes to get the most bang for your buck without converting anything.

hmm.. I'll see what I have left over after I'm done building the DWOK models.. maybe get an extra box of neophytes.

I always end up with hordespam armies, probably why I never finish painting them.

Does that upgrade sprue come with the truck model? Didn't see the pic on the product page for it, but it also doesn't seem to show the rockgrinder dozer blade sprue either unless I'm missing it.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Honestly if you want to curb cost just buy the crap out of DWOK. You get 12 acolytes and 16 neophytes, normally thats $96 for the acolytes and &64 for the neophytes, thats $160 not counting the characters or aberrants, counting the three characters and thats another $70, so $230 again not counting the genestealers of aberrants. You can buy the box for $140 with shipping. You can then sell kill team cassius for 40 bucks easy. So $230+ value for $100 after you sell off the marines. All you need are a couple boxes to get all the gear to flesh out the units.

Overkill boxes interspersed with acolytes and neophytes from the poseable kits would work as well; you get more heavy/special weapons in the kit than you can use in a single unit so if you make them up with all specials etc you can disperse them amongst the generic mono-pose dudes to get the most bang for your buck without converting anything.

Exactly, that's what my last sentence was alluding to. You can even use spare heads on the DWOK models.

Is the upgrade sprue the same for ones which come in the troop box as well as those which come in the Leman Russ box? I guess the soonest we will know is the 8th when new orders come available?

Funfact for all you "english" people.

Here in Germany the Codex has some...interesting differences.

For example: In our codex the neophytes have to choose between heavy weapon team or mining weapons or special weapons.

Not heavy weapon team or mining weapons + up to 2 special weapons.

EnTyme wrote:@Davor

I'm talking about using the Broodmind summoning power as others have mentioned.

 Ambience 327 wrote:
Yep- Broodmind power "Telepathic Summons", with a choice between WC2 and WC3 allowing you to summon things like Acolytes, Neophytes, Metamorphs, Aberrants and Purestrains. However, unlike normal Conjurations, they don't Deep Strike in, but instead arrive using Cult Ambush.

They can also arrive with any wargear options allowed on their datasheet, but no extra models or transports. So you can bring in 10 Acolytes w/ 4 Heavy Rock Saws, or 20 Neophytes w/ 2 Webbers and 2 Heavy Seismic Cannons, etc.

Oh, and since it is Broodmind, no extra Perils chance for our summoning, unlike non-Daemons summoning Daemons.

If I'm not mistaken (still learning the codex), Acolytes are limited to 1 heavy weapon per 5 models, so you'd only be able to summon 2x Heavy Rock Saws (and I'd actually prefer the Heavy Rock Cutter).

Thank you very much. I thought we only had one rule that made units come back. I thought it was one and the same. Didn't read the codex entirely. Having a hard time digesting what is in the codex right now. Thank you for the clarification.

I saw a few people on ths thread speculating about kitbashing the acolytes with the bodies of ork boyz - I had a few bodies kicking around from Assault on Black Reach, so I tried it out.

There are enough arms (15 pairs), and enough heads (21) to make about 10 acolytes and 5 metamorphs, if you use one box of acolytes and one box of boyz. This saves you 32 pounds sterling, even if you are buying multipart orks instead of the snap-fits I used.

One thing to be weary of - whilst the big hybrid heads look fine on ork torsos (which also have that hunched look), the arms of the hybrids are super spindley compared to the boyz torsos; a bit of clever painting may be in order to show where the hybrid's vest ends and their armpits begin. SImilarly, you won't get quite the right leg shape or the cool mining suit on ten of your hybrids, but c'est la vie and all that.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Is the upgrade sprue the same for ones which come in the troop box as well as those which come in the Leman Russ box? I guess the soonest we will know is the 8th when new orders come available?

Seeing as how the sprue has vehicle icons and vehicle commander heads...and there are 16 heads total, I'd wager that the Leman Russ with Neophyte squad comes with just the one upgrade sprue.

Interesting that they are not selling a sentinel kit with the upgrade sprue...so you HAVE to buy one or more of the other kits to 'cultify' it with the upgrades...

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the inevitable Genestealer Cult Start Collecting is going to be 2x Metamorph/Acolyte boxes, an Iconward, and a Chimera or something.

It will be neophytes. Search your heart, you know it to be true. 10 neophytes + iconward + goliath truck.

Or even worse, 10 Cadians + Cadian HWT + GSC upgrade sprue + Chimera.

Finally got my dice sets and le codex. Having bought most le books, this is one of the nicer le books. The dice are pretty cool too. I heard complaints about the darkness, translucency, and coloring. They look great in various lighting. They are more or less lightly tinted with darker swirls of purple.

Very happy with this release so far

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the inevitable Genestealer Cult Start Collecting is going to be 2x Metamorph/Acolyte boxes, an Iconward, and a Chimera or something.

It will be neophytes. Search your heart, you know it to be true. 10 neophytes + iconward + goliath truck.

I highly doubt it will be a Goliath. The Goliath is going to be a hot ticket item. Start Collectings tend towards selling dud items.

Hence why I said Acolytes rather than Neophytes. Neophytes are looking to be a hot ticket item.

Or even worse, 10 Cadians + Cadian HWT + GSC upgrade sprue + Chimera.

Nah.

They didn't even do that with the Armored Claw set, which is 10 Cadians, GSC upgrade frame and a Chimera. HWT sold separately.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the inevitable Genestealer Cult Start Collecting is going to be 2x Metamorph/Acolyte boxes, an Iconward, and a Chimera or something.

It will be neophytes. Search your heart, you know it to be true. 10 neophytes + iconward + goliath truck.

I highly doubt it will be a Goliath. The Goliath is going to be a hot ticket item. Start Collectings tend towards selling dud items.

Hence why I said Acolytes rather than Neophytes. Neophytes are looking to be a hot ticket item.

With this being a new line it's Start Collecting isn't going to be as prone to "dud" units. Most of the Start Collecting sets have a focal point model but beside the Goliath or the IG borrowed unit that army doesn't really have anything like that.

In general I think it would be better if GW simply repackaged the Overkill cultist as the getting started set.

455_PWR wrote:Finally got my dice sets and le codex. Having bought most le books, this is one of the nicer le books. The dice are pretty cool too. I heard complaints about the darkness, translucency, and coloring. They look great in various lighting. They are more or less lightly tinted with darker swirls of purple.

Very happy with this release so far

I do like the dice. Wish I bought more. Really wanted the Collector's Edition, but just couldn't justify the price. So much for so little for me. I am curious, what is your number on the codex?

 adamsouza wrote:
Even if GW orders another print of the Dice, they were made in China. It will be weeks, to months, before they can be produced and shipped.

Also, there are multiple sets going for nearly $40 + $15 shipping right now.

It would be awesome if GW made the dice they actually advertised, with symbols on the 6 and skulls on the 1.

Yup that would be awesome sauce with a side of epic win. I just hope they release all the chapter dice they used for the DW dice set...I would love me a set of IF dice.....if the Fist was on the six and not the 1 sadly.....

My GSC stuff arrived today! Apparently I can't read and the CE came with the data cards, so I didn't need to order them separately. Whoops!