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As a counterpoint to how many minis they're "giving away" here versus other games, Mythic Battles is currently sitting at an extra 53 minis outside of their core game, some of quite significant size, plus there's still a good 20+ days for them to throw even more stuff in the box. For roughly the same price too.

MegaCon's Myth and Recon gave a fairly hefty amount of swag for their stretch goals as well.

If you notice, the goals have gotten some reasonable distance between them as well, so they seem to be somewhat fiscally observant in doling out all the freebies to us.
They also showed off how they plan on boxing up and packaging all these bonuses.

Plus Isaac just showed up to the party....


With a full day to go and another 200,000 to make, not sure if he'll get to be included. Hopefully...

Sining wrote:
Double post? Also, 1 is the lowest risk Orlando, so yours would be more like 9 to 5?

Edit: whoops, looks like I'm a bit late to the party.

Looking into them more. I am prone to agree with the 2-5. I let the fear-mongering get to me a bit. Yes, the company has as of yet been unknown, but the amount of stuff I have seen on their FB page and KS page is pretty awesome. (The pics of the sculpts are particularly promising to me as well, especially since they appear to commission the sculpt far before the model is even unlocked. I also like that there are more than one place they seem to have sent produced models - Viking Games got some, and they appear to have premiered some at a number of conventions - and I find that even more promising.)

I would not at all be surprised if it took them longer to ship than anticipated with all of these models and unlocks, but they really seem to have their poop in a group, pardon the colloquialism.

I'd put them as a 3 or 4 in the risk category.

No way it all ships on time. Wouldn't be surprised if they go the route of base game in one wave, all the extra stuff a few months later.

Just hit $1,210k, so the new sculpts for the expansions are unlocked.

Idk if anyone else covered it, but we have also unlocked the Grudge models and the special scenario themed on the Obscure.


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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'd put them as a 3 or 4 in the risk category.

No way it all ships on time. Wouldn't be surprised if they go the route of base game in one wave, all the extra stuff a few months later.

Glad I am not reading this thing horribly wrong.

I am entirely prepared for that and kind of expect it as well. But, as long as I get the core game, I will be quite happy (I would be a bit disappointed, but I expect the game to go for $100 anyway, so as long as I get a decent quality game, I'm all good. And as far as I am concerned, this game is going to be loads of fun. But my group pretty much only plays co-op and horror and sci-fi are pretty common.)

Sining wrote:
I'd put this at a 8-9 so I'm not backing it I guess. I'm not really seeing how they'll be able to produce everything for the core pledge at 100 usd.

It's 161 minis at 100usd now? That's amazing since it'll cost even less per mini than a normal Zombicide KS. It's an even better deal than Bones III, which gave you 158 minis for a 100usd pledge but without cardboard box for a game or tiles or card printing etc etc etc etc.

fwiw, It's the number of unique sculpts, not the number of mini's that drives the price up. While I haven't been following the number of sculpts, I did notice many of the miniatures were multiples. With Reaper, almost every miniature was a unique sculpt, although many were based on existing metal miniatures. I'm too lazy -- if anyone can compare the number of sculpts in DM vs. Zombicide, I'd appreciate it.

I'll give this one a 9. I'm pretty suspicious of KS campaigns nowadays, after following various KS campaigns that have pretty much dried up and left backers waiting over three years. I posted a thread on BGG and wrote PMs to the game designer and "collaborator" (who, afaik, is one of the leads on the project) to post info about the company's game and project management experience three weeks ago, with no response. Another backer said Diemensional Games wasn't answering questions about their experience, either. Also, their California office is only four months old, which doesn't fit their claim that "Deep Madness is made by Diemension Games, a board game designing and publishing company based in California." Their early updates and KS comments were in less proficient English, while their FB contests weren't. Are they using a KS liason only through the duration of the KS campaign? I dunno. I finally don't have a sense of accountability with the project. That's a vague (and weak) statement, but what if the project starts failing and they disappear? At least with Sandy Petersen, we can find his home address and bring the torches and pitchforks.

I'd still say this company has a higher chance of delivering than some other KS I've followed, and some backers *can* pledge $100+ and walk away if things go south, including receiving miniatures that weren't as good as promised. Myself, I've been on KS for 3+ years, and in that "short" amount of time, am overflowing with miniatures, particularly Lovecraftian ones through Cthulhu Wars (that one was an 8 for me) and RAFM (made a mistake on underestimating the risk on that one). With Mythic Battles, Reaper, Rise of Moloch, Kingdom Death, Black Scorpion, and Steve Jackson Games (and Mythic Battles?) on the KS potential shopping list (plus two Mantic armies and Mech vs. Minions to paint), it's hard to add more projects to the painting queue, unless they really add something to my 10K miniature collection.

It'll be interesting to see the actual sculpts. Some of them, like the Eater of Worlds, are miniatures I would love. I'm not pre-ordering a year in advance without seeing a cast just for that miniature though.

@ced1106

For the core box, there are approximately 51 unique sculpts (counting the 3 sculpted counters and the sculpted closed hatches).

I wish I could say there were sculpt pics of all of their models, but it's a bit difficult to traverse the sheer amount of stuff on their FB page from my phone. Still, most of the models in the core game were already completed pre-KS or have been sculpted before the model was unlocked. One notable exception is the Unbound model, although I think that one is just getting finished up. I saw that the sculptor had posted an almost-complete WIP relatively recently.

I wonder how many man hours it would take to knock up a kickstarter that 'looked' just like a cmon kickstarter in every way possible. I bet if it took in 1million plus it would still be one heck of an hourly rate for the people involved.

There's a few figures I'm potentially interested in having, but this KS has me more worried than many other smaller less professional ones I've followed. Especially this promise of immortalising the top 3 KS commenters - filling the comments section with self important spammers - the type who do so on every KS they're involved with before moving on to the next.

Yikes!

Encouraging that KS Comment Thing is never a good idea.

Plus, how will they actually track/count that?

It has to be making the comments section even more unreadable than usual - and that's saying something!

People actually try to read Kickstarter comments?

Some people do, of course.

Some might actually have a question they'd like answered.

Some might want to see what, if anything, the creator chooses to say.

But...for the most part...they're rather unreadable.

However, some campaigns manage to handle the whole thing well.

If you're running a contest of sorts in them though?

Whilst I would have loved to stay in I just can't justify the package at the moment with the exchange rates how they currently are and with the amount of games I will be receiving within the next 12 months.

I will be giving up an early bird pledge in a few moments and I also can provide my facebook name if someone wanted to claim my free epic model (I shared a facebook post a few months ago to get a free model).

Aeneades wrote:
Whilst I would have loved to stay in I just can't justify the package at the moment with the exchange rates how they currently are and with the amount of games I will be receiving within the next 12 months.

I will be giving up an early bird pledge in a few moments and I also can provide my facebook name if someone wanted to claim my free epic model (I shared a facebook post a few months ago to get a free model).

PM sent.

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Early bird is currently available.

ced1106 wrote:

Sining wrote:
I'd put this at a 8-9 so I'm not backing it I guess. I'm not really seeing how they'll be able to produce everything for the core pledge at 100 usd.

It's 161 minis at 100usd now? That's amazing since it'll cost even less per mini than a normal Zombicide KS. It's an even better deal than Bones III, which gave you 158 minis for a 100usd pledge but without cardboard box for a game or tiles or card printing etc etc etc etc.

fwiw, It's the number of unique sculpts, not the number of mini's that drives the price up. While I haven't been following the number of sculpts, I did notice many of the miniatures were multiples. With Reaper, almost every miniature was a unique sculpt, although many were based on existing metal miniatures. I'm too lazy -- if anyone can compare the number of sculpts in DM vs. Zombicide, I'd appreciate it.

Well, depends on how much miniatures cost per model to make? As what's the base cost of just making 1 PVC miniature? 0.30 usd? 040? Anyone have any idea?

You people are paranoid...

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
I wonder how many man hours it would take to knock up a kickstarter that 'looked' just like a cmon kickstarter in every way possible. I bet if it took in 1million plus it would still be one heck of an hourly rate for the people involved.

And all the demo kits they sent out for review?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And all the demo kits they sent out for review?

Hey! I'm trying to forget Rahdo and Project: ELITE!

Not seeing a scam here, either, but I think any discussion of a scam is a sidetrack. Most KS aren't scams, and, if a KS fails because of inadequate funds or poor project management, the result is the same.

Not saying that's what will happen with Deep Madness. "In the absence of information", and all that. It's just that Diemaster Games hasn't provided that information.

First Kickstarter I ever went into was the original Zombicide. Didn't know anything about the company making it, didn't know anything about Kickstarter - it just looked like a cool game.

And stuff was delayed, took longer than expected, and arrived piecemeal. And you know what? It taught me that some Kickstarters take forever, and I can live with that.

Sometimes I bug out (like the Soda Pop Relic Knights one where I got a refund), and other times I just forget about them until they arrive (like the first Raging Heroes).

So we're got a group of newbies who are about to launch a big game with lots of expansions. Something's going to go wrong. They're going to hit Chinese New Year and not realise how much of an impact it will cause. Things will be late, and some things might get shifted into different waves, or more waves might be added.

*shrugs*

Thems the breaks, and the cost of doing business, and [insert another cliche here]. It's just how KS operates. Not everyone can be the super-efficient short-KS-running hero that is Christopher West, but then again most game Kickstarters are bigger than what he does.

Personally I'm just happy that this campaign was filled with stretch goals and not add-ons. Yes, add-ons appeared, but compared to some others there weren't that many of them, and in most cases they made bundles that make things cheaper if you were getting all the items anyway. They also weren't essential add-ons either. Dice bags? More dice? Plastic counters? Plastic doors? An artbook? I don't need any of these things. I added enough for an extra set of dice as I think having another one will be handy (and so I can lose the monster die and not freak out!), but that's enough for me. And look at all the Investigators. Are any of them paid expansions like Zombicide? No. And I find that amazing. Every single Investigator was a free add-on, with the exception of the few bundled into the expansions, and even the expansions got free add-ons.

And if it all gets delayed 6-8 months? 12 months? Then it gets delayed. We'll find other things to do in the meantime.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You people are paranoid...

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
I wonder how many man hours it would take to knock up a kickstarter that 'looked' just like a cmon kickstarter in every way possible. I bet if it took in 1million plus it would still be one heck of an hourly rate for the people involved.

And all the demo kits they sent out for review?

It's not really fear that it's a scam, it's a fear that like all new KS companies, there is a high chance this company could fail due to incorrect costing or whatever. A lot more people would be reassured if there was y'know actually anyone with experience running this thing and not just having a known manufacturer on standby. Someone asked what level of risk this would be and why, and people responded. Sorry if it wasn't positive enough.

Also, the demo kits didn't include all the stretch goals did they?

How could they. Not all of the components are made. But that wasn't my point. My point was who goes to the effort of making demo games and sending them out as part of a Kickstarter scam?


Anyway, enough'a that.


The last three:

We will probably reach this:


I doubt we will reach this, which is a shame as I would have liked this one quite a bit:


And as with the one above, this one seems unlikely, which is fine ultimately:

I think we'll definitely make the Scenario Kit, which is great. Not sure about the last character, though. That'll be tight ...

Just o ver 4 hours to go

Sweet!



You were right Mutter.




[EDIT]: Life sometimes sucks. Talk about the 11th hour. Bills are too high, and I can't afford this any more. I'm out. FETH!

If anybody wants an EB, now is a good time, I watched already hald a dozen or so get available (nabbed one, too).

Obviously some people that were sitting on them got cold feet.

Which makes it highly unlikely to unlock the last character, unless Diemension feels generous (seen as almost 1k backers are in for a buck to spend money later).

We'll see ...


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Wow, already at 1.380k and two and a half hours to go.

This is gonna be sooooo close!

Isaac is up!

27 minutes to go and we're at $1,425k! I doubted we were going to get him, but damn, that's so cool.

I keep missing the opportunity to grab someone's EB... it would be nice to switch that last $10 over to something silly and extra like a dice bag (or maybe pay $8 more in and pick up the KS exclusive epic Devourer of Worlds. He's so cool.).

Anyway, sorry if it frustrated people. I will admit that asking for a rating was my fault.

Well it is funded and now its the waiting time.

Yay! See you guys back in this thread next year (hopefully).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And all the demo kits they sent out for review?

I finally checked out the reviews on BGG and the only reviews are by Undead Viking and Beasts of War. BoW, as usual, was enthusiastic and more advertising than review.

Undead Viking (and Learn to Play) showed prototypes, with standees, and BoW's miniatures were test samples. So we still don't have an idea of how well DG will be able to fulfill this KS.