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morgoth wrote:
There seem to be two main currents here...
1) I hate GW so much
2) I don't hate them and I like the fact that they're improving lately

I don't think anyone seriously thinks that they're not improving, just that the haters need a lot more improvement to stop hating.

So haters please.... just say "I'm so pissed this isn't enough to quiet my anger" instead of attempting to downplay or disregard measurable improvements.

This is a deliberately antogonistic post and against forum rules.

Why do some people have to be so binary about GW - I think for a lot of people, it doesn't boil down to loving or hating them, it's much more a case of ambivalence. I don't mind GW, I still play GW games but I very rarely buy GW product any more and that is simply due to prices. All this talk of community websites and previews and Twitter feed is all well and good but for me, GW constantly ignore the elephant in the room that is prices.

The Prices are still adequate for what they offer... I highly enjoy the daily hobby dose that GW is offering me... This offers me way more than if the prices are 10% down.

Joyboozer wrote:

morgoth wrote:
There seem to be two main currents here...
1) I hate GW so much
2) I don't hate them and I like the fact that they're improving lately

I don't think anyone seriously thinks that they're not improving, just that the haters need a lot more improvement to stop hating.

So haters please.... just say "I'm so pissed this isn't enough to quiet my anger" instead of attempting to downplay or disregard measurable improvements.

This is a deliberately antogonistic post and against forum rules.

What?
I wholeheartedly agree with the post. I don't see anything antagonist at....
Oh... I see what you did there.

 filbert wrote:
Why do some people have to be so binary about GW - I think for a lot of people, it doesn't boil down to loving or hating them, it's much more a case of ambivalence. I don't mind GW, I still play GW games but I very rarely buy GW product any more and that is simply due to prices. All this talk of community websites and previews and Twitter feed is all well and good but for me, GW constantly ignore the elephant in the room that is prices.

Yeah! If only they would put out board games with incredible value like BoC and BoP. Or boxes that make start collecting an army any easier. Or battleforces that save you a 100$ per box compared to standard retail.
Why do they keep ignoring prices?!

The box sets only appear good value because the prices are so jacked in the first place - it's a false economy and a false saving. If you are happy with that, then more power to you. Several years of falling sales at GW would suggest that a large tranche of people are not, however.

GW have always been expensive for what they are but then again, they used to have the market position and dominance to charge those prices; nowadays, I would argue they do not. I remember when they used to do buy one, get one free offers and the like. That used to be real savings and offers - not bundling some kits together that were already wildly overpriced and then knocking an arbitrary amount off to make it seem like you are getting a huge discount and a great deal - that's just the consumer equivalent of the shell game.

I see Reecius got an article up on the community site.
It even mentions ITC rules and the LVO.
How much did you bribe em Reece?

 filbert wrote:
Why do some people have to be so binary about GW - I think for a lot of people, it doesn't boil down to loving or hating them, it's much more a case of ambivalence. I don't mind GW, I still play GW games but I very rarely buy GW product any more and that is simply due to prices. All this talk of community websites and previews and Twitter feed is all well and good but for me, GW constantly ignore the elephant in the room that is prices.

+1

All the stuff that people are raving about is fine and dandy, but if people are out of the game due to prices and staying away, then being told how great the hobby website is now isn't going to address that.

For those of you who are adults with jobs: do you guys personally have a problem with the prices or is it more on principle? For me personally, I have so much stuff that I couldn't paint it in a lifetime, and anything I buy from GW is basically just an indulgence that I probably won't touch for a long time. The price doesn't really come in to it (and I don't have a huge discretionary income either). Do you guys generally have a lot of time, meaning you can purchase new stuff at such a pace that it becomes an economic problem to buy as much as you want? Or do you simply have very limited funds so even buying, say, one box in a month is too much? I can understand how students, unemployed or children would have a problem with the prices, but I would think most working adults would be able to purchase more than enough to keep busy unless they have other expensive hobbies, ESPECIALLY with these crazy box sets with 40-50% off (I would consider those prices to be very cheap for what you get).

footnote: I haven't factored in AU/NZ people... you guys are just screwed by GW.

do you guys personally have a problem with the prices or is it more on principle?

Dosent impact me at all.
My main issue with GW is sloppy rules writing/power creep/sub optimal units and no direction generally with where they want 40k to sit as a wargame.
I spend what I want when I want on them (albeit usually through discount stores etc).

 Mymearan wrote:
For those of you who are adults with jobs:

Speaking as one of these, I personally couldn't give a damn about prices. I'm primarily a painter/collector, so I get what tickles my paintbrush. I usually have a monthly budget of about £50 give or take and I find that more than enough to build up an army or collection over time. I'll never understand people who need to buy a whole army in one go and especially not direct. Who would ever buy from GW direct unless you absolutely had too? There are so many resellers that do 15-20% off. A good example is the new Rubric Marines. £30 direct, but I guarantee you'll be able to find them for about £24 from other sellers on Saturday. Which in my opinion, is a fair price for them.

 Mymearan wrote:
For those of you who are adults with jobs: do you guys personally have a problem with the prices or is it more on principle? For me personally, I have so much stuff that I couldn't paint it in a lifetime, and anything I buy from GW is basically just an indulgence that I probably won't touch for a long time. The price doesn't really come in to it (and I don't have a huge discretionary income either). Do you guys generally have a lot of time, meaning you can purchase new stuff at such a pace that it becomes an economic problem to buy as much as you want? Or do you simply have very limited funds so even buying, say, one box in a month is too much? I can understand how students, unemployed or children would have a problem with the prices, but I would think most working adults would be able to purchase more than enough to keep busy unless they have other expensive hobbies, ESPECIALLY with these crazy box sets with 40-50% off (I would consider those prices to be very cheap for what you get).

footnote: I haven't factored in AU/NZ people... you guys are just screwed by GW.

I have not problem, in principle, with the pricing - if you are a student, just play low point games or KT with your friends. Is what we used to do.
Most models are good, many are gorgeous, some is ugly, or to better say is finely sculpted but the concept is idiotic.
My biggest problem is that the models are models for a wargame and GW do not put a good enough effort in making these models valuable as a gaming pieces, at least in a coherent way. Plus, there are models that risk to become obsolete with a change of edition, and even being completely removed/retconned out.

I can afford GW stuff but I don't consider five toy soldiers for £35 to be good value for my money so I won't buy it.

Their prices are not reasonable by any standard I certainly wouldn't let my kid start any GW games I'd point them to a cheaper game every time.

People forget we don't hate GW just for the sake of it, they earnt our bile through years of abuse, a few minor improvements don't make up for years of crappy treatment.

hobojebus wrote:
I can afford GW stuff but I don't consider five toy soldiers for £35 to be good value for my money so I won't buy it.

Pretty much this. I have a wife and 2 small kids so I am time poor but I have a decent enough job that would allow me to buy what I want, when I want. Having the money to buy stuff isn't the issue for me; I just don't consider it of value. GW's prices have gone above and beyond what I consider reasonable for a few plastic soldiers. It also helps that my dad worked in the dip and injection moulding industry for 30+ years so I am painfully aware of exactly what it costs GW to produce this stuff so I probably baulk more than most at GW prices.

Anecdotally, GW have always been expensive - I remember working at a summer job in 1994 to save up some money, some of which I spent on my Epic Ork army and I distinctly remember thinking that £10 or whatever it was at the time was hugely expensive for an Ork gargant model - and that was a fully metal model to boot.

 filbert wrote:
The box sets only appear good value because the prices are so jacked in the first place - it's a false economy and a false saving. If you are happy with that, then more power to you. Several years of falling sales at GW would suggest that a large tranche of people are not, however.

GW have always been expensive for what they are but then again, they used to have the market position and dominance to charge those prices; nowadays, I would argue they do not. I remember when they used to do buy one, get one free offers and the like. That used to be real savings and offers - not bundling some kits together that were already wildly overpriced and then knocking an arbitrary amount off to make it seem like you are getting a huge discount and a great deal - that's just the consumer equivalent of the shell game.

Admittedly I lack the knowledge to compare them to other major manufactures like that Warmahordesthing.
And while I can agree on ridiculous prices for single character models... Does it really matter THAT much to you if that single character costs 27€ instead of 20€?
Looking at the AdMech Battleforce, you get 4 large miniatures, 11 human sized miniatures and 3 medium miniatures. for 130€, that is about 7,20€ per miniature.

Looking up the price on a Warjack, which hovers around 30€ and is the size of a dreadnought...
While abox of infantry is about 45€ compared to GW'S start collecting which gives you the squad, a dread and an HQ...

Sorry, you cannot claim that GW with these sets is more expensive than Warmahordes per model. These boxes offer great value even when compared to competition.
Unless I misjudge the prices and sizes I see on the Warjacks and corresponding models.

GW have almost equal prices compared to most of the model kit companies out there. A quick run on their site and amazon results into this:

Tacom Mark IV tank 1/35 is from ~43 - 60~ USD depending on the store.
GW Land Raider which is aprox ~1/35 is ~45.

Bandai (1/100 Scale), Astray Red Frame is about ~60 USD and
GW Imperial Knight beats it with some 95~ (don't know the scale here)

Yeah, you can say that they are ripping us off with large price for box of 10 marines, but still those marines are better quality than any Tamiya or w/e miniatures are selling out there. So yeah for the same price you may get 20 frostgrave soldiers, but I'd pick any Sigmar models to play Frostragve to their original models.

 filbert wrote:
Why do some people have to be so binary about GW - I think for a lot of people, it doesn't boil down to loving or hating them, it's much more a case of ambivalence. I don't mind GW, I still play GW games but I very rarely buy GW product any more and that is simply due to prices. All this talk of community websites and previews and Twitter feed is all well and good but for me, GW constantly ignore the elephant in the room that is prices.

Exactly. I have my own reasons for being anti-GW, which I won't go into, but taking a neutral perspective, I've always seen the prices as GW's major problem.

Their product quality is very good, no question of that, but when other companies are producing paints and brushes of equal quality, then you vote with your wallet.

Also, their pricing structure makes no sense. £80 for silver tower is stonking value for me, because it would take me months to paint all that stuff and it's a self-contained game. £80 spread over 6 months is loose change and very good value...

But then, you see 5 stern guard for £35 and then compare to an IG command squad for £35 and I'm left scratching my head, because both of those sets are almost identical in packaging and weight, and the amount of plastic you get...

It's very bizarre.

hobojebus wrote:
I can afford GW stuff but I don't consider five toy soldiers for £35 to be good value for my money so I won't buy it.

Their prices are not reasonable by any standard I certainly wouldn't let my kid start any GW games I'd point them to a cheaper game every time.

People forget we don't hate GW just for the sake of it, they earnt our bile through years of abuse, a few minor improvements don't make up for years of crappy treatment.

Cosmetic improvements, at that.

 Mymearan wrote:
For those of you who are adults with jobs: do you guys personally have a problem with the prices or is it more on principle?

For me it's down to value; now that I have a kid I have almost no hobby time (and need to internally justify money). Compared to my other hobby projects (primarily Frostgrave/Malifaux/painting for the sake of it) GW just doesn't provide the value for me. I can fill my hobby time a dozen times over with stuff that's cheaper than GW's stuff, and since I don't have time to play the games either it's lost more appeal. Occasionally I'll spot something that's good value, and then usually the store is shut for lunch and I move on.

Tacom Mark IV tank 1/35 is from ~43 - 60~ USD depending on the store.
GW Land Raider which is aprox ~1/35 is ~45.

No, it's $59-73 depending on seller/variant.

 DalinCriid wrote:
GW have almost equal prices compared to most of the model kit companies out there. A quick run on their site and amazon results into this:

Tacom Mark IV tank 1/35 is from ~43 - 60~ USD depending on the store.
GW Land Raider which is aprox ~1/35 is ~45.

Bandai (1/100 Scale), Astray Red Frame is about ~60 USD and
GW Imperial Knight beats it with some 95~ (don't know the scale here)

Yeah, you can say that they are ripping us off with large price for box of 10 marines, but still those marines are better quality than any Tamiya or w/e miniatures are selling out there. So yeah for the same price you may get 20 frostgrave soldiers, but I'd pick any Sigmar models to play Frostragve to their original models.

That Tacom Mk IV tank is bigger than a landraider, it should be 23cm long and 12cm wide. Land raider is 17cm long and 10cm wide.

It also comes with with photoetch parts, polycaps (I assume for movable or removable parts), a length of chain (as in, actual scale chain, not just plastic), metal gun barrels and a 1000 piece track system that from what I understand lets you make movable tracks.

It's not really a comparable kit, the Takom has a lot of value added bits that you pay extra for. If GW included photoetch, chain and metal gun barrels they'd probably double the price of the kit for you

I don't know about the Bandai kit. But just googling it also doesn't look comparable, it goes to the extreme of having chrome plating on some parts and multicoloured sprues so if you want all you have to do is assemble it then weather it. It's also heavily articulated where as the IK is mostly static. Even if you don't care about those things (some people do, some people don't) they're things that add expense to a kit beyond GW's typical cheaply mass produced kits.

I consider the price of the models + the quality of the games rules. GW games fail the test for me, I do recognize that GW improved WD and has answered FAQ questions after 3 years. I will agree that GW slowed down on digging that hole but it's one heck of a deep hole.

morgoth wrote:There seem to be two main currents here...
1) I hate GW so much
2) I don't hate them and I like the fact that they're improving lately

I don't think anyone seriously thinks that they're not improving, just that the haters need a lot more improvement to stop hating.

So haters please.... just say "I'm so pissed this isn't enough to quiet my anger" instead of attempting to downplay or disregard measurable improvements.

You forgot 3) You love GW so much they can do no wrong. As for measurable improvements, I would disagree. So since I have a differing opinion than you I am hater now?

Ratius wrote:I see Reecius got an article up on the community site.
It even mentions ITC rules and the LVO.
How much did you bribe em Reece?

I am curious, how is he getting away selling GW products at 25% off and still be on a GW site. I thought GW was against such large discounts being offered on their products.

Davor wrote:

morgoth wrote:There seem to be two main currents here...
1) I hate GW so much
2) I don't hate them and I like the fact that they're improving lately

I don't think anyone seriously thinks that they're not improving, just that the haters need a lot more improvement to stop hating.

So haters please.... just say "I'm so pissed this isn't enough to quiet my anger" instead of attempting to downplay or disregard measurable improvements.

You forgot 3) You love GW so much they can do no wrong. As for measurable improvements, I would disagree. So since I have a differing opinion than you I am hater now?

You're at least a cynic... Seeing change but screaming "Smoke and Mirrors" all along.

Anecdotally, GW have always been expensive - I remember working at a summer job in 1994 to save up some money, some of which I spent on my Epic Ork army and I distinctly remember thinking that £10 or whatever it was at the time was hugely expensive for an Ork gargant model - and that was a fully metal model to boot.

Try having no shops in Ireland and having to pay P&P back then plus the price of sterling VS the Punt at the time.
Boy did we scrimp and save like demons back then.....

I am curious, how is he getting away selling GW products at 25% off and still be on a GW site. I thought GW was against such large discounts being offered on their products.

I have no idea. Typical lack of GW proof reading again?

SKR.HH wrote:
You're at least a cynic... Seeing change but screaming "Smoke and Mirrors" all along.

Oh I agree GW is changing, thing is, once the dice start rolling what has changed in the end? I keep saying Smoke and Mirrors as a reminder that this can end at any second and it can still be the same GW in the end. For now I am enjoying the ride but being a cynic/realist so I don't end up getting disappointed in the end.

Davor wrote:

morgoth wrote:There seem to be two main currents here...
1) I hate GW so much
2) I don't hate them and I like the fact that they're improving lately

I don't think anyone seriously thinks that they're not improving, just that the haters need a lot more improvement to stop hating.

So haters please.... just say "I'm so pissed this isn't enough to quiet my anger" instead of attempting to downplay or disregard measurable improvements.

You forgot 3) You love GW so much they can do no wrong. As for measurable improvements, I would disagree. So since I have a differing opinion than you I am hater now?

Ratius wrote:I see Reecius got an article up on the community site.
It even mentions ITC rules and the LVO.
How much did you bribe em Reece?

I am curious, how is he getting away selling GW products at 25% off and still be on a GW site. I thought GW was against such large discounts being offered on their products.

The comment about no measurable improvements is objectively wrong.
Lets compare now to 2 years ago.
2 years ago- no actively supported specialist games.
Now bloodbowl is out. adeptus titanicus and more are on the way.
2 years ago 1 boardgame in print.
Now 9 boargames in print.
2 years ago just the warhammer world Facebook page.
Now many Facebook pages, community site, twitch streams etc.
2 years ago a handful of discount bundles at about 20% off each.
Now over 30 discount bundles at 30 to 40% off each.
2 years ago white dwarf weekly with little more than new prouduct info and painting guides.
Now white dwarf monthly. More pages per month for a lower prices with a wider range of articles.
2 years ago a very strict one week preview window.
Now a much more free approach to previews
2 years ago. No official acknowledgement of independent events.
Now attending independent events and streaming from them.
The negatives.
Prices of newly released products are very expensive.
International prices are often high compared to UK prices.
7th edition rules are bloated and messy.
The list of changes I mentioned is simple fact.
If we compare modern Gw to 1998 gw then it is a whole different conversation, but it is literally undeniable that Gw has made a lot of positive changes in the last 18 months unless you think any of those changes are for the worse. Do you?

 Mymearan wrote:
For those of you who are adults with jobs: do you guys personally have a problem with the prices or is it more on principle?

...

footnote: I haven't factored in AU/NZ people... you guys are just screwed by GW.

Even as an AU people, I can afford the models GW sells.

The problem is collecting Games Workshop miniatures isn't my only hobby.

The fact their games are also a mess doesn't help matters.

When I look at a new Games Workshop kit, I might think "That looks alright, I wouldn't mind having that". Then I see the price and am more like "erm, nah, it's not that good". Even though I could buy it if I really wanted it, Games Workshop miniatures competing with other miniature manufacturers like Perry or Battlefront for my money, they're competing with historical kit makers like Tamiya, Airfix, etc, they're even competing with with the car market and car-part manufacturers because my other hobby is classic cars.

Maybe if their games didn't suck quite so much, but I have barely played a game with my Tyranids in the past 6 or so years, most of them are hiding away in boxes. So when I see a new Tyranid beastie, I might think for 2 seconds "oh that would be a nice addition to my Tyranid army" followed by the thought "Wait, most of my Tyranid army hasn't seen the light of day in recent history".

That means the value of that kit is purely as a display piece. And frankly I don't think GW models hold up well when compared to other potential display pieces. I often was tempted by getting an Imperial Knight as a display piece, I never ended getting it though. Compare it to another display piece for a similar price that I DID buy, Tamiya's 1/32 Spitfire IXc. The Spitfire comes with photoetch parts, vinyl parts, steel pins, magnets, metal screws and mounting blocks for interchangable parts, canopy masking sheet, self adhesive name plates for display, an A5 coloured booklet with reference photos of real Spitfires, a fully modelled engine, movable rudders, elevators and a landing gear that can interchanged between up and down.

So yeah, I'm looking at the Imperial Knight model thinking "sure, I could buy one, I have enough money.... but why?"

The thing applies to damned near every kit in GW's line up these days. If I valued GW's kits more than the kits from half a dozen other companies I might be willing to pay more for them, but I simply don't. Tamiya is a company I am definitely willing to pay more for their kits because they do such a tremendous job on them.

For me personally, I have so much stuff that I couldn't paint it in a lifetime, and anything I buy from GW is basically just an indulgence that I probably won't touch for a long time.

I guess you're proving Tom Kirby right...

Tom Kirby wrote:What will not change is the eternal desire for some always to want yet more of the small, jewel-like objects of magic and wonder that we call Citadel miniatures.

For many of us, though, Citadel miniatures aren't more jewel-like than any other mass produced injected moulded plastic kits.

In total honesty having given it a lot more thought I do not think it can never be said that GW has improved until they show they are willing to fix the game. Age of Sigmar with the generals handbook was an improvement but the car still has messy and unclear rules such as being able to always shoot or having terrain not really matter. 40K is a complete cluster and games take about twice as long as they should because of it. As someone who now has a good amount of disposable income and still find myself buying things but ultimately end up realizing the game itself is absolute trash and don't end up playing.

If they fix the game to actually be a measure of skill and not list building and actually encourage tactical decisions rather than I'm going to take this big bad thing and shoot you off the board comma then it might be worth playing but until then everything that they do no matter how much of an improvement it might be compared to what they did before is ultimately useless because they need to realize they make a game more than just figures.

As long as the rules are intentionally vague and require FAQs which are also intentionally vague or completely ignore what is being asked or allow for stupid questions should be obvious and as long as games take 4 to 5 hours to play because the rules are not streamlined, nothing will actually improve.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
For those of you who are adults with jobs: do you guys personally have a problem with the prices or is it more on principle?

...

footnote: I haven't factored in AU/NZ people... you guys are just screwed by GW.

Even as an AU people, I can afford the models GW sells.

The problem is collecting Games Workshop miniatures isn't my only hobby.

The fact their games are also a mess doesn't help matters.

When I look at a new Games Workshop kit, I might think "That looks alright, I wouldn't mind having that". Then I see the price and am more like "erm, nah, it's not that good". Even though I could buy it if I really wanted it, Games Workshop miniatures competing with other miniature manufacturers like Perry or Battlefront for my money, they're competing with historical kit makers like Tamiya, Airfix, etc, they're even competing with with the car market and car-part manufacturers because my other hobby is classic cars.

Maybe if their games didn't suck quite so much, but I have barely played a game with my Tyranids in the past 6 or so years, most of them are hiding away in boxes. So when I see a new Tyranid beastie, I might think for 2 seconds "oh that would be a nice addition to my Tyranid army" followed by the thought "Wait, most of my Tyranid army hasn't seen the light of day in recent history".

That means the value of that kit is purely as a display piece. And frankly I don't think GW models hold up well when compared to other potential display pieces. I often was tempted by getting an Imperial Knight as a display piece, I never ended getting it though. Compare it to another display piece for a similar price that I DID buy, Tamiya's 1/32 Spitfire IXc. The Spitfire comes with photoetch parts, vinyl parts, steel pins, magnets, metal screws and mounting blocks for interchangable parts, canopy masking sheet, self adhesive name plates for display, an A5 coloured booklet with reference photos of real Spitfires, a fully modelled engine, movable rudders, elevators and a landing gear that can interchanged between up and down.

So yeah, I'm looking at the Imperial Knight model thinking "sure, I could buy one, I have enough money.... but why?"

The thing applies to damned near every kit in GW's line up these days. If I valued GW's kits more than the kits from half a dozen other companies I might be willing to pay more for them, but I simply don't. Tamiya is a company I am definitely willing to pay more for their kits because they do such a tremendous job on them.

For me personally, I have so much stuff that I couldn't paint it in a lifetime, and anything I buy from GW is basically just an indulgence that I probably won't touch for a long time.

I guess you're proving Tom Kirby right...

Tom Kirby wrote:What will not change is the eternal desire for some always to want yet more of the small, jewel-like objects of magic and wonder that we call Citadel miniatures.

For many of us, though, Citadel miniatures aren't more jewel-like than any other mass produced injected moulded plastic kits.

GW kits aren't "jewel-like" to me. I buy them because I love the fluff, the designs and because I play the games. I buy a lot of models from other manufacturers but I do not buy anything I don't play to use in a game. Were I painting display models I would get 70mm stuff from Nutsplanet or Nocturnal and make dioramas, but I I'm not so I don't. Still, price is probably my last consideration, since as I wrote above, even with GW prices I have more stuff than I could ever paint. Even buying one of the new Battleforce boxes would keep me busy for a year, which would be a paltry sum per month of hobbying. That's why I asked the questions I did in my post. I wanted to know if people who have some amount of disposable income and not very much time to hobby still prioritise price over things like visual or fluff appeal even if they don't have time to paint everything they get. Personally I would not consider two different models to be interchangeable. If I want a model I want it because I want that particular model, not because it's cheaper than something else.

 Mymearan wrote:
....but I do not buy anything I don't play to use in a game....

....I have more stuff than I could ever paint...

....and anything I buy from GW is basically just an indulgence that I probably won't touch for a long time....

Bit of conflicting going on So you just play with them unpainted?

If I'm misinterpreting you it's because you said you have more than you could paint and anything you buy you won't touch for a long time, so to me that just says you're impulse buying stuff you aren't going to use.

If I want a model I want it because I want that particular model, not because it's cheaper than something else.

For me and I think most people, the price isn't a big issue, it is just one of many smaller issues.

I do not value the time I spend on GW miniatures any higher than the time I spend on any other quality models. I would like to build and paint an Imperial Knight, sure, but in a world where I have a finite amount of time to spend on models I am not going to have more fun building an Imperial Knight than I am building any one of a couple of dozen other models, so why would I pay more for an Imperial Knight?

I don't see models as interchangeable, an Imperial Knight is an Imperial Knight and a Spitfire is a Spitfire, but they both compete for my time, my display shelf space and my wallet.

As a gaming piece, I don't value 40k higher than other games and so in turn I do not value 40k models higher than those I can get for other games.