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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
is it me or the custodes a bit op?

Super Space Marines based off the Emperor's own genetic code? Nah. They're just right.

not saying fluff-wise, but point wise.

For 50 points, they seem to be way too stong. A kitted out termi is worth more points than that, and a custode is a lot stronger.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Interestingly, there's a nice wee How To Paint: Burning of Prospero guide coming out... and it features some of the other legions too which is nice. Including Alpha Legion and Death Guard . Gotta say- this paint scheme for AL is A LOT better than the blue with green highlights!

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/How-to-Paint-Burning-of-Prospero-ENG

Spoiler:

And if you wanna mix it up a bit and have Legion MkIV and MkIII, there's a BaC and BoP bundle too

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Betrayal-at-Calth-and-Burning-of-Prospero-Bundle

Schemes are alright, for paint jobs that have to stick to the Citadel range.

I'll stay with my metallics and clear colors, though, and much prefer the metallic blue with green tones via zenithal highlighting.

Prospero Termies are really bland. Was thinking about buying the box since I really like the custodes, Arihman and Gaigor, but wasn't sure since I'm not a fan of the sister, and don't really need 30 more tac marines. Thankfully the blandness of the termies made by decision easy. Will just buy the Custodes and mayber Gaigor off an Ebay seller.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Prospero Termies are really bland. Was thinking about buying the box since I really like the custodes, Arihman and Gaigor, but wasn't sure since I'm not a fan of the sister, and don't really need 30 more tac marines. Thankfully the blandness of the termies made by decision easy. Will just buy the Custodes and mayber Gaigor off an Ebay seller.

To me, it`s a plus, don`t like too much bling on Marines, or anything, really

 Nevelon wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
They might be but the SoS are nuts. For 5 points more than a squad of marines you get 5 WS4 BS4 I5 A2 models that are also Culexus assasins and swing AP2 at initiative S4. The lack if invul and only 3+ armor hurts but who cares with the huge benefits you're getting. For the same price as a culexus you can shut down half the board for psychic powers. If GW realizes they made them impossible to play.

They are T3, 1W, 3+ models. It’s not going to take a lot to erase them from the table. They are also footslogging, or bumming a transport off someone. Nasty in CC? Yup. But not without flaws and weak points.

even in close combat, they are not that scary unless they are facing termi-equivalent. A squad of ork boys of the same value would handle them easily


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SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Prospero Termies are really bland. Was thinking about buying the box since I really like the custodes, Arihman and Gaigor, but wasn't sure since I'm not a fan of the sister, and don't really need 30 more tac marines. Thankfully the blandness of the termies made by decision easy. Will just buy the Custodes and mayber Gaigor off an Ebay seller.

To me, it`s a plus, don`t like too much bling on Marines, or anything, really

lol, yeah I guess if you're a minimalist when it comes to miniature, they look great. But I don't. I think that a busy mini like the custodes or gaigor is much cooler. Or as they say in english: different stroke for different folk.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Interestingly, there's a nice wee How To Paint: Burning of Prospero guide coming out... and it features some of the other legions too which is nice. Including Alpha Legion and Death Guard . Gotta say- this paint scheme for AL is A LOT better than the blue with green highlights!

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/How-to-Paint-Burning-of-Prospero-ENG

Spoiler:

And if you wanna mix it up a bit and have Legion MkIV and MkIII, there's a BaC and BoP bundle too

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Betrayal-at-Calth-and-Burning-of-Prospero-Bundle

That AL scheme, from this distance anyway, looks really good.

Well since there's a Calth & Prospero bundle it seems Calth will be available for at least a little bit longer.

I wonder why GW don't put more pictures of the minis up - for example, they have one group shot of the Custodes which you can't really enlarge without going pixelly, but then they only give two 360 rotation shots of individual models - there isn't a decent close up of the sword chap. Similar for the Sisters.

Overall I love the box set - as others, I don't have much need for 30 more Marines but will be looking for bargains on eBay for Custodes, Sisters and Not-Bjorn.

50 pts for a S5, T5, 2W terminator with EW?

GW, you need to fix Paladins asap...

What if the SOS entry is a single data sheet that you can just drop into an army like assassins?

Aren't assassins a single elite choice that can just be added to an army?

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
50 pts for a S5, T5, 2W terminator with EW?

GW, you need to fix Paladins asap...

True, but now Draigo has his bad ass bodyguards to gate around the table.

ya the custodians and sisters both seem underpointed compared to other type units point wise.

So yet more power creep for new releases as usual.

An AP 2 STR 4 wpn alone at initiative is normally 15+ pts lol.....and sisters get that + a ton of special rules.

Custodes for 50ppm far outshine any other unit at that ppm level.

 Nevelon wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
They might be but the SoS are nuts. For 5 points more than a squad of marines you get 5 WS4 BS4 I5 A2 models that are also Culexus assasins and swing AP2 at initiative S4. The lack if invul and only 3+ armor hurts but who cares with the huge benefits you're getting. For the same price as a culexus you can shut down half the board for psychic powers. If GW realizes they made them impossible to play.

They are T3, 1W, 3+ models. It’s not going to take a lot to erase them from the table. They are also footslogging, or bumming a transport off someone. Nasty in CC? Yup. But not without flaws and weak points.

You misunderstand, the fact that they have reasonable CC stats makes them nuts because the psychic shut off+peruls grenade is worth 75 points by itself. So they're relatively easy to kill in shooting and are fragile in close combat. That doesn't matter because most death stars have VERY minimal shooting and the they won't even be in CQC with a star until you're sure you can kill it. Plus you can take 2 squads for the same price as the culexusish and shut off a huge area. Oh and at 2 attacks base I5 S4 Ap 2 and 3+ armor equal points of ork boys lose half their unit and flees and gets swept.

Sisters of silence are also t3 with no transports.

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
What if the SOS entry is a single data sheet that you can just drop into an army like assassins?

Aren't assassins a single elite choice that can just be added to an army?

Sorry if double post but to answer No. The assasins have their own detachment you can allie in.

ERJAK wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
They might be but the SoS are nuts. For 5 points more than a squad of marines you get 5 WS4 BS4 I5 A2 models that are also Culexus assasins and swing AP2 at initiative S4. The lack if invul and only 3+ armor hurts but who cares with the huge benefits you're getting. For the same price as a culexus you can shut down half the board for psychic powers. If GW realizes they made them impossible to play.

They are T3, 1W, 3+ models. It’s not going to take a lot to erase them from the table. They are also footslogging, or bumming a transport off someone. Nasty in CC? Yup. But not without flaws and weak points.

You misunderstand, the fact that they have reasonable CC stats makes them nuts because the psychic shut off+peruls grenade is worth 75 points by itself. So they're relatively easy to kill in shooting and are fragile in close combat. That doesn't matter because most death stars have VERY minimal shooting and the they won't even be in CQC with a star until you're sure you can kill it. Plus you can take 2 squads for the same price as the culexusish and shut off a huge area. Oh and at 2 attacks base I5 S4 Ap 2 and 3+ armor equal points of ork boys lose half their unit and flees and gets swept.

lol, not even close. YOu need to do some stats before claiming something like that, cause it is simply not true. I did, and a unit of 12 boys will easily handle a unit of 5 sisters (considering both are not charging, cause if both charge, the sister would get even more of a trouncing because of furious charge)) in cc, and the boys are 3 points less expensive.


5 sisters do 10 attacks, need 4+ to hit (5 left) and 4+ to wounds (so an average of 2.5, we will round it up to 3 wounds)
12-3= 9 boys left, 3 attacks each make 27 attacks, 13,5 hit (round up to 14), 4+ to hit, so 7 wounds. Sisters would in average take a bit more than 2 wounds, but we roud it down

After, it is a disaster for the sister

3 sisters left, so 6 attacks, 3 hit, 1,5 wounds , so 2 dead orks

9-2= 7 orks, so 21 attacks, 10 hits (rounded down from 10, 5 to give the sisters the benefit of the doubt), which translate to 5 wounds, sisters would take 2 wounds.

last round

1 sister left, 2 attacks, 1 hit, 1 wound (rounded up, to give the sister a chance)
6 orks left, 18 attacks, 9 hit, 4 wounds (rounded down to give the sister a chance), a dead unit of sisters.



I have an excel matrix on my other computer which use mathematical expectation to calculate who would win in a cc between 2 units, I can run it if you want to, but it is obvious orks boys would win anyway. it's true that the orlks could run after the first round of combat, but it is a very slim one, and it is the only chance for the sisters to win this encounter. Anyway, no ork general worth his salt would have a unit of boys not being led by a nobz.

Perhaps it's intentional that they can only be used Unbound? So you can only take them if you give up your command benefits.

ERJAK wrote:

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
What if the SOS entry is a single data sheet that you can just drop into an army like assassins?

Aren't assassins a single elite choice that can just be added to an army?

Sorry if double post but to answer No. The assasins have their own detachment you can allie in.

Ah back to the drawing board. Seriously though how to we add them in? I wonder if we getting a small glimpse of what the new 8ed foc. might end up looking like.

Thanks for the quick reply

Did anyone else catch the white dwarf + prospero box in NZ for $133 NZ feth up earlier today?

Too bad I'm in AUS, was refreshing the AUS page for ages to see if the feth up spills over to us, store hasn't updated yet.

Perhaps they are fixing it :(

SoS seem very much a rock/paper/scissor unit. They will take down well over their points in top end deathstars, but go down like 2 copper harlots to basic troops.

Seeing I’m not a big fan of deathstars, psychic or otherwise, I’m OK with this.

Those Custodes rules are definitely making me think Deathstars. It would just need a delivery outside the bloody Spartan.

I need Azrael, Pedro, and Smashfether, and someone for Hit And Run. Basically creating a bad Wolfstar.

 Nevelon wrote:
SoS seem very much a rock/paper/scissor unit. They will take down well over their points in top end deathstars, but go down like 2 copper harlots to basic troops.

Seeing I’m not a big fan of deathstars, psychic or otherwise, I’m OK with this.

Agreed.

I like these kind of units. They have an utility against a certain type of ennemies, but will not dominate the battlefield against everyone. You will need tactics and good manouvering for them to be worth their points.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
is it me or the custodes a bit op?

Super Space Marines based off the Emperor's own genetic code? Nah. They're just right.

not saying fluff-wise, but point wise.

For 50 points, they seem to be way too stong. A kitted out termi is worth more points than that, and a custode is a lot stronger.

They're not way too strong at all. Who cares what their stats are if they are too slow to do anything. With their basic loadout they have no invul save, and with stormshields they simply have terrible AP3 power swords. If they got to keep their spears AND have a stormshield then they would be strong (Doesn't matter if both items are two handed, just look at thunderhammers and relic blades)

However, they don't so they aren't.

NatWest online bank is down from 2am - 2:40am, really!?

Sat up to order and still bloody can't because of the bank haha.
May be worth buying the full box just for the custodes and sisters then selling the rest back again.
Should get them for less than the current £45 price for both.

The custodes seem a bit like assault terminators, where you need to decide between survivability and offense. But unlike the termis, the good AP2 hits are not the same guys as the defense. For the termis, you might just want some lightning claws to help cut your way out of tarpits. For the Custodes, I think of their options more like hidden power fists. A couple of guys up front tanking hits, and the cleavers behind them.

Also, welcome back wound allocation shenanigans. A squad where everyone is a character with 2W. Hello, Look out Sir!

So basically the squad is bought as it's own formation, and counts as an ally, in a similar manner to assassins, just worded poorly.

 stompygitz wrote:
So basically the squad is bought as it's own formation, and counts as an ally, in a similar manner to assassins, just worded poorly.

If by "worded poorly" you mean "not worded in any way what so ever to do what you're saying", then yes.

Just finished watching the video. Kind of amused they got near the end and said something like "oh, and you get a bunch of cool miniatures, too".

The scenarios sound pretty cool esp. the teleporting travel one. I've really liked their board games from the past year plus and am hoping this one has rules that are just as engaging. I buy these for the board game and it was interesting to see them devote half an hour to focusing just on game play.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 stompygitz wrote:
So basically the squad is bought as it's own formation, and counts as an ally, in a similar manner to assassins, just worded poorly.

If by "worded poorly" you mean "not worded in any way what so ever to do what you're saying", then yes.

Yeah, people are speculating about a special detachment like assassins have, but it hasn't actually been shown.

Outpost preorders up @71.25 (25% off) , gre eBay sellers now listing infantry blocks at 18.99 a set (10 marines, 5 sisters etc). I suspect 25% will be the norm for this weekend. Pretty bad that 3 from outpost is only £30 more than the equivalent of one at rrp from GW in New Zealand!