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 Yodhrin wrote:

GW did Sisters and Custodes rules which were Unbound on the basis they're not common in 40K....

...Yeah, see, that excuse works for a special scenario, or an event game, not the provision of rules that let you use something anytime, anywhere.

No. Just stop with that bad bad logic.

If you want to go THAT route then almost nobody should be playing marines. They should be playing guard. Because in a universe of trillions of people and millions of conflicts, Marine intervention would so infrequent as to almost never happen.

And that would be absolute for the game.

So stop. This is fine. We have more options to play, people are happy playing with their new toys and that makes the hobby stronger.

 Moopy wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

GW did Sisters and Custodes rules which were Unbound on the basis they're not common in 40K....

...Yeah, see, that excuse works for a special scenario, or an event game, not the provision of rules that let you use something anytime, anywhere.

No. Just stop with that bad bad logic.

If you want to go THAT route then almost nobody should be playing marines. They should be playing guard. Because in a universe of trillions of people and millions of conflicts, Marine intervention would so infrequent as to almost never happen.

And that would be absolute for the game.

So stop. This is fine. We have more options to play, people are happy playing with their new toys and that makes the hobby stronger.

I would say the chance of Space Marine intervention is much larger than Custodes intervention, even if SM deployment chances are slim.

Either way, GW has focused on giving freedom to the player for quite some time, slowly lifting restrictions on what exactly you can take with you to a game. I'm all for playing authentically and playing with a big lore drive, but sometimes people just want to have fun with a little bit of everything they collect. And they should be allowed to do that.

G.A

My set should be arriving sometime this coming week, I am building a squad of ten mk IV marines from the calth set though. I was hoping to use them to bolster the options for the BoP game. Build them with special weapons and stuff so I have all the options for both sides. The missile launcher is a no no apparently, I am not sure how to build these guys yet though. Maybe i'll hold on to them and get a set of achean or thousand sons FW bits to make an elite looking squad. Or make 5 TS and 5 SW to break up the monotony of all mk III armor in the set.

I am also mixing mine with B@C. I now have two boxes of each, and will be building my Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors. I am thinking of adding a third box of BoP just so I can theme it specifically for the game within the box.

As it relates to potential future HH boxed releases, which Legions mostly used MkII and MkV power armour?

I know MkVI would be mostly associated with Raven Guard, but what about the others? Did the Dark Angels use a lot of MkII?

Yes, Dark Angels and White Scars for MKII, and maybe Night Lords too?

Also Iron Warriors and (according to FW's upgrade kits) World Eaters.

For MKV the answer is, again, World Eaters according to Jess Goodwin with the old sketches done for the Chaos Legions.


Upon thinking about it though the last 2 boxes have tied into FWs books. Betrayal at Calth came out about 6 months after Horus Heresy Book 5: Tempest (which detailed the events of the Battle for Calth) and now the Burning of Prospero coming out 3-4 months before Book 7: Inferno. No doubt the next box will continue this trend, which would probably rule out a Dark Angels vs Night Lords box as iirc Alan Bligh has said they aren't going to be doing a book based on the Thramas Crusade directly after Inferno.

Aren't going to do that book at all, or aren't going to do it as the very next book?


Oh, and thanks for the answers guys. But no one heavily used MkV?

Just not going to do it for the next book.

I'd imagine we'll find out what they're doing next Book-wise for sure in February though, even if it's just a vague "it's based on these events" or "it features these legions and forces predominately in the background".

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Also Iron Warriors and (according to FW's upgrade kits) World Eaters.

For MKV the answer is, again, World Eaters according to Jess Goodwin with the old sketches done for the Chaos Legions.


Upon thinking about it though the last 2 boxes have tied into FWs books. Betrayal at Calth came out about 6 months after Horus Heresy Book 5: Tempest (which detailed the events of the Battle for Calth) and now the Burning of Prospero coming out 3-4 months before Book 7: Inferno. No doubt the next box will continue this trend, which would probably rule out a Dark Angels vs Night Lords box as iirc Alan Bligh has said they aren't going to be doing a book based on the Thramas Crusade directly after Inferno.

World Eaters are one of those legions that look good with any armor though, I remember always liking the art of them in the collected visions book...particularly the sleek assault marines. Mk II happens to be my favorite armor so I definitely want to see it in plastic, even if its just a 10 man tactical squad on its own and not a boxed set. Is inferno really still several months away? Jeez...well at least I have plenty of time to save up money then.

Yup, unfortunately Inferno is pretty much guaranteed to be coming out around the same time as the next Weekender (in February) at the earliest. They were still proofreading it back when the Amsterdam Open Day was happening.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Aren't going to do that book at all, or aren't going to do it as the very next book?


Oh, and thanks for the answers guys. But no one heavily used MkV?

MkV nowadays is just a catch all term for various forms of field repaired/scavenged armour, unofficial parts etc.
'This ad-hoc assemblage of various armour mark segments (including new or unoffical design elements) being created by a multitude of legions resulted in an entirely new mark of armour being 'accidentally' created; these previously non-standard, emergency/stopgap designs were retroactively termed as the Mark V once production of the Mark IV was halted and the design for the subsequent Corvus Armour mark (Mark VI) was finalised.'
So it would have been around a lot in the heresy where the fighting was thickest.

Got the November WD today, and it hinted that's there's going to be a lot more Custodies in Book 7: Infero

With the final battle being at the Palace, this is going to be fully fleshed out army. Right now they're suffering the way Mechanicus did in Book 1

clipping the sprues tonight, Ahriman is definitely the highlight of the box for me, even though i am a Space Wolves fan...
the model is just so well designed, and i really like how they have pushed the Egyptian influence...

the Tartaros Termies are even crisper in plastic than they are in resin...
the Sisters look great with their guns...
the star of the units in the box has got to be the Custodes, though...
the shield and banner are too cool not to build one, the leader's cloak is beautifully detailed, the Guardian Spear are awesome, and the armor looks very imposing...
if you don't like painting fine detail, the fine filigree on these guys will be a nightmare...
if, like me, fine detail is why you enjoy painting 28mm minis, you will enjoy these gorgeous models...

very happy with this haul

cheers
jah

I was talking about how one guy had to have his spear facing up. And the legs seem to have matching body's

I've started to assemble a some of the MKIII marines in my set. Very mild mouldlines. I Really like them.

Is it just me or do the MKIII legs stand more upright than GW's usual marine plastics? Including the MK IV in BaC.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:
Perhaps they are seconded to the Astra Telepathica as their bodyguards?

If there's one place you absolutely don't want to put Sisters of Silence, it's around psykers you're not trying to harm.

It actually makes a kind of sense, seeing as the Sisters of Silence can just step aside when the Psykers' powers need to be utilized.

Remember that Pariahs(depending on whose writing them) aren't physically harmful even to Psykers. They prevent the usage of powers and are immune to the effects of said powers. Think of them not strictly as bodyguards but also as a Sword of Damocles.

They're a blade hanging over the psyker, if the psyker slips up...down comes the blade and off rolls the head.

NivlacSupreme wrote:
I was talking about how one guy had to have his spear facing up. And the legs seem to have matching body's

In the same way that a Vanguard Veteran model will have a different style Chainsword to the next one - the hands and the Spears are separate to the actual arms, so making different poses will be easy.

The legs and torsos also function in the same way as you'd expect a plastic Space Marine to fit together

So I got my MK3 from BoP, and they are bigger than the mini's from BaC. Are the forgeworld MK3 that big too or is this just a BoP thing?

 Tagony wrote:
So I got my MK3 from BoP, and they are bigger than the mini's from BaC. Are the forgeworld MK3 that big too or is this just a BoP thing?

Iron Armour is supposed to be the most intimidating and brutal looking of all the Power Armour Marks, so I'm pretty sure that's how it's meant to be

Check that question. I just went and looked at my BaC set and they have the bigger bases too. Shocked that I never noticed until now.

 Tagony wrote:
So I got my MK3 from BoP, and they are bigger than the mini's from BaC. Are the forgeworld MK3 that big too or is this just a BoP thing?

They aren't. At least not the regular marines.

The legs of the MK III is posed standing a bit more upright (Which is great. We've seen enough of marines in that silly semi-squatting pose to last us all at least three lifetimes) making them look a bit taller. And the thicker belt-thingy might make the MK III torso look slightly wider.

But they're absolutely in scale with each other and with the FW MK III. If anything the plastic MK IV looks a tad chunky next to FW resin MK IV.

depends wich FW MKIII you are comparing them to

the old models used to have pretty thin legs

 Moopy wrote:
Got the November WD today, and it hinted that's there's going to be a lot more Custodes in Book 7: Inferno

With a Custodes Grav tank on the way, it's not surprising lol.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:

According to the War of the Beast books they had fallen into decline and only one known Sect of them was going.
They only helped when they knew Vulcan was involved. Even then they basically thought the Imperium was fundamentally different from what they were originally fought for and basically didn't care if it fell.
They only helped because of Vulcan. They were mistrusted too as they still had a flying Rhino. I'm guessing by M32 technology had begun to become stagnated.

And yet, after that point we still have no idea what became of them. Sure, only one sect is left at that point, but perhaps they continued to exist in small numbers, serving the Imperium when needed, then disappearing again.

Works for me. Sounds a lot like the Legion of the Damned in some ways, who are almost-mythological amongst the Imperium's servants and so according to the fluff should be so rare you never get to... oh, wait. They've had rules since RT.

 Tagony wrote:
So I got my MK3 from BoP, and they are bigger than the mini's from BaC. Are the forgeworld MK3 that big too or is this just a BoP thing?

Medusan Immortal Mk3 is bigger than BaC Mk4, the other mk3
stuff is beefier.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:
Perhaps they are seconded to the Astra Telepathica as their bodyguards?

If there's one place you absolutely don't want to put Sisters of Silence, it's around psykers you're not trying to harm.

It actually makes a kind of sense, seeing as the Sisters of Silence can just step aside when the Psykers' powers need to be utilized.

Remember that Pariahs(depending on whose writing them) aren't physically harmful even to Psykers. They prevent the usage of powers and are immune to the effects of said powers. Think of them not strictly as bodyguards but also as a Sword of Damocles.

They're a blade hanging over the psyker, if the psyker slips up...down comes the blade and off rolls the head.

It would still depend on how far away 'aside' is.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Remember that Pariahs(depending on whose writing them) aren't physically harmful even to Psykers. They prevent the usage of powers and are immune to the effects of said powers. Think of them not strictly as bodyguards but also as a Sword of Damocles.

They're a blade hanging over the psyker, if the psyker slips up...down comes the blade and off rolls the head.

I like that theory and will happily run with it, as all psykers need a kill-button, but I took Pariahs as pretty bad to have in the near proximity of Psykers.
I am basing most of my reasoning on Jurgan of Commissar Cain fame, being too close to him caused one of Amberly Vail's pet psykers to go into an absolute fit due to pain.
While it might not be direct physical injury like a sword thrust I would think it is still a bad situation and would probably result in hearts bursting and brains frying from stress.

Though on the other hand the lady null from the Eisenhorn series was just disquieting and only physically painful when they were in actual physical contact, so you are supported by that in the variation.
Perhaps the effect is strengthened by the strength of the psyker? As i recall Gregor wasn't a particularly strong one.

Bah GW went for sales after all. But worse than that they also managed to do it in worse style of formations. Free rules with ZERO negatives.

Imagine if there was note you can use those squads in elite slot of SM/IG etc. Even then only idiot would NOT use formations. They have zero cost and only can get free rules.

AOS has only one saving grace rulewise and that's cost per formations.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:
Perhaps they are seconded to the Astra Telepathica as their bodyguards?

If there's one place you absolutely don't want to put Sisters of Silence, it's around psykers you're not trying to harm.

It actually makes a kind of sense, seeing as the Sisters of Silence can just step aside when the Psykers' powers need to be utilized.

Remember that Pariahs(depending on whose writing them) aren't physically harmful even to Psykers. They prevent the usage of powers and are immune to the effects of said powers. Think of them not strictly as bodyguards but also as a Sword of Damocles.

They're a blade hanging over the psyker, if the psyker slips up...down comes the blade and off rolls the head.

They might not kill them by being close but then again if you are trying to have psykers do something useful do you want to subject them to extreme uncomfortable? Even non-psykers will feel immediate distataste and uneasiness in front of pariah. Psykers suffer much worse(actually wasn't in Eisenhorn trilogy note of psyker actually passing out when pariah gene wielder came into same area).

Kinda hard to work if you are throwing up constantly!

Got my Prospero box this morning, and I got an extra Sisters of Silence sprue in mine so I can build 1 extra sister. Bargain!