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Well, they're being included, like the Deathwatch and Sisters. That won't invalidate the existing DW and GK books, and I fully expect Sisters will get a full codex down the road as well. As has come up a few times in the thread, the Agents book is likely to have the bare bones of each faction, if you want the special toys like Dreadknights, Corvus flyers or Exorcists you go to each faction's own book.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 pretre wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Oh my. When BoLS was reporting this rumor earlier I laughed it off, but this is a real surprise.

Wow... Sisters... not squatted... but relegated to a portion of a book? I'm not sure how I feel about that... but it does make sense. Hell, I wish they rolled in my Grey Knights as that Codex is pretty damn lean with decent units, and could've easily shared this book too.

When did BOLS report this?

A few hours before I saw it circulating with Warhammer's Community-Rumor page, as a source.

The only one I see links to GW as a source.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
What if...What if...ADEPTUS ARBITES? :O

This wouldn't really fit as they aren't agents, they are just a police force. You would call people working for the Secret Service, FBI, CIA, KGB etc Agents but not anyone from the local police force. Also there are no models for them so they wouldn't be in the book (unless we'd see a release for them in Dec).

I'm getting some bad vibes from the Agents book. So from what I understand it will contain 9 smaller sub factions? So expected factions have been mentioned above, but what worries me is the wording that you can include "...Grey Knight Terminator squads...". What this leads me to believe is that the GK codex will not be included, instead all you will get is a GK Captain of sorts and perhaps a troop and elite choice. So will this book be a bad mash up that just happen to include rules on how to include 1HQ, 1Troop and 1 Elite from GK, SoB and Deathwatch? Something you can already do using the allies rules?

How big is this codex? Normal book size is 104 pages or am I completely off? If they included everything wouldn't the rules take up like 50-60 pages alone?

Arbites aren't even remotely a local police force, they're more like a cross between the FBI and the SAS. Local "Enforcers" deal with the laws of the planetary governor or equivalent, the Arbites enforce the laws of the Emperor, and in addition to their permanent precinct fortresses on most worlds of any appreciable size, they have their own Strike Cruiser analogues and are freqently seconded to Inquisitors.

 Melissia wrote:
My cynicism will soon be paid off, and once again Sisters are going to get screwed over again-- oh yey, I get to tell people "I told you so". How great for me.

Hey it's a great occasion to reduce the choice of available units once again! Sisters now include Canonness, basic Battle Sisters, Seraphims, and Exorcist, so list building will be much easier! This is great new! You don't have to worry about whether you want to take a rhino or immolator transport because they don't exist anymore! You don't have to decide between Seraphims and Dominions as FA because Dominions don't exist!
I mean, we got to share the book with not one, not two, not three, but EIGHT (8) other subfactions!
Confirmed subfactions includes:
- Grey Knights
- Deathwatch
- Inquisition
- Officio Assasinorum
- Adeptus Astra Telepathica
So there are 3 more factions that are not mentioned in the description blurb. Given that 100% of the mentioned factions already have models available (well, Wyrdwane psykers were mostly portrayed as part of the IG iirc but still they already have models), I expect those factions to be Scions/Stormtroopers, Legion of the Damned, and maybe the last one will be the Ecclesiarchy, with the Confessor, Priests, Arcoflagellants, Penitent Engine?

I think it is a bit early to have all the 'we're losing units!' tears.

ERJAK wrote:
Just for clarification, the original rumor on lady atia's blog indicated that Grey Knights ARE getting rolled in as one of the 9 factions.

If this is true the codex will be larger than the SM codex if it is to contain fluff and model pictures as well. If they roll in SoB, DW, GK, =][=, Assassins, Admech, Skitarii, Tempestus Scions, Knights, Custodes, SoS, Astra Telepathica and what else has been rumoured we are looking at well over +70ish unit entries. Many of these are duplicates though, I doubt there would be 7 entries for a Rhino as most of the factions can use those?

Perhaps it's a book of formations and nothing else? This would make sense and be more practical, basically formations for all factions that don't have them or very few of them?

 pretre wrote:
I think it is a bit early to have all the 'we're losing units!' tears.

Nope, never too early. Either I'm right and in this case it's normal, or I am wrong and I'll get a good surprise. Better get a good surprise than a bad surprise. Well who am I kidding with good surprises…

ERJAK wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 pretre wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Oh my. When BoLS was reporting this rumor earlier I laughed it off, but this is a real surprise.

Wow... Sisters... not squatted... but relegated to a portion of a book? I'm not sure how I feel about that... but it does make sense. Hell, I wish they rolled in my Grey Knights as that Codex is pretty damn lean with decent units, and could've easily shared this book too.

When did BOLS report this?

A few hours before I saw it circulating with Warhammer's Community-Rumor page, as a source.

Just for clarification, the original rumor on lady atia's blog indicated that Grey Knights ARE getting rolled in as one of the 9 factions.

Well, no, it mentions Grey Knights terminator squads. I imagine the basic troops will be included, and ditto for Sisters, not the whole faction.

Maybe it would be a good idea to split the topic between the Chaos stuff and the Imperium stuff? Each one is very independent from the other…

I keep going into this thread and the Magnus one every hour like a loser anticipating new information.

been doing that since yesterday

 ImAGeek wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 pretre wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Oh my. When BoLS was reporting this rumor earlier I laughed it off, but this is a real surprise.

Wow... Sisters... not squatted... but relegated to a portion of a book? I'm not sure how I feel about that... but it does make sense. Hell, I wish they rolled in my Grey Knights as that Codex is pretty damn lean with decent units, and could've easily shared this book too.

When did BOLS report this?

A few hours before I saw it circulating with Warhammer's Community-Rumor page, as a source.

Just for clarification, the original rumor on lady atia's blog indicated that Grey Knights ARE getting rolled in as one of the 9 factions.

Well, no, it mentions Grey Knights terminator squads. I imagine the basic troops will be included, and ditto for Sisters, not the whole faction.

My statement is still correct, just not as pandantically thorough.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
My cynicism will soon be paid off, and once again Sisters are going to get screwed over again-- oh yey, I get to tell people "I told you so". How great for me.

Hey it's a great occasion to reduce the choice of available units once again! Sisters now include Canonness, basic Battle Sisters, Seraphims, and Exorcist, so list building will be much easier! This is great new! You don't have to worry about whether you want to take a rhino or immolator transport because they don't exist anymore! You don't have to decide between Seraphims and Dominions as FA because Dominions don't exist!
I mean, we got to share the book with not one, not two, not three, but EIGHT (8) other subfactions!
Confirmed subfactions includes:
- Grey Knights
- Deathwatch
- Inquisition
- Officio Assasinorum
- Adeptus Astra Telepathica
So there are 3 more factions that are not mentioned in the description blurb. Given that 100% of the mentioned factions already have models available (well, Wyrdwane psykers were mostly portrayed as part of the IG iirc but still they already have models), I expect those factions to be Scions/Stormtroopers, Legion of the Damned, and maybe the last one will be the Ecclesiarchy, with the Confessor, Priests, Arcoflagellants, Penitent Engine?

It could be that they only include some mixed detachments / formations for Grey knights and deathwatch while referencing to their codexes. It sort of makes sense, why rewrite the Deathwatch codex when it is only a few months old. This would leave more space for the othersm but I am still quite anxious about losing stuff.

You'll notice that literally everything that is mentioned in the blurb already has official rules, actually. So what are they going to do? Replace all those rules and provide new ones? Or just put all the old rules together? Or what?

A Codex: Imperial Agents was planned for 2nd Edition 40k



The new one allows you to add small forces - like a single squad of Grey Knight Terminators - to your army. GW already posted an overview of the Imperial Agents army list.

I havent read the new WD yet but this Codex should come with all the needed datasheets. For Grey Knight Terminators, Assassins, Inquisitors etc. so we won't have to buy the other books.

You cannot mix factions in a detachment. GW could change the faction symbol on the new datasheets to Imperial Agents, like they did with KDK and Renegade Knights. Which I guess is what they will do to make it work.

I get very annoyed when I read "Adeptus" Sororitas, was really annoyed when I read it in the short story Casting a Hungry Shadow that featured a Battle Sisters that had been taken by a genestealer cult and even had 2 genestealer hybrid sons.

So were they originally Adeptus or has allot of GW people just gotten it wrong for years and years and years? The 3E Witch Hunter codex was my first ever codex and it has them as Adepta and not Adeptus. Afaik Adepta is female and Adeptus is male.

Could someone explain it to me so I know for future endeavors.

Seriously. If a sports team is made of women only, does the word team change its gender? Both are correct afaik, GW decided to change it in 3rd Edition. It is just a made up word

Adeptus Custodes was the original title of the Codex in 2nd Edition. Edit: Or was it only in some countries?

It was just called "Codex: Sisters of Battle" in the UK. But they were definitely Adeptus Sororitas for a very long time. I think Codex: Witch Hunters was the first time they used Adepta instead, but it's been applied inconsistently until 6th Edition, when they renamed the Codex and clarified the terminology.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Seriously. If a sports team is made of women only, does the word team change its gender?

In English? No. But if you're trying to sound Latin, it wouldn't hurt to observe some simple rules.

 pretre wrote:
I think it is a bit early to have all tSOmehe 'we're losing units!' tears.

Sadly some people can not help but be negative.
It is some kind of genetic flaw.


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Thommy H wrote:
It was just called "Codex: Sisters of Battle" in the UK. But they were definitely Adeptus Sororitas for a very long time. I think Codex: Witch Hunters was the first time they used Adepta instead, but it's been applied inconsistently until 6th Edition, when they renamed the Codex and clarified the terminology.

They changed it to Adepta the when the made the digi only codex a bit back.
And they did it for the same reason that they changed Imperial Guard.
No more, no less.
They want names that they can copyright.

You're not going to tell me you think Adepta Soraritas is more copyrightable than Adeptus Soraritas.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Seriously. If a sports team is made of women only, does the word team change its gender? Both are correct afaik, GW decided to change it in 3rd Edition. It is just a made up word

Adeptus Custodes was the original title of the Codex in 2nd Edition. Edit: Or was it only in some countries?

Mine looks like this

Warhams-77 wrote:
A Codex: Imperial Agents was planned for 2nd Edition 40k



The new one allows you to add small forces - like a single squad of Grey Knight Terminators - to your army. GW already posted an overview of the Imperial Agents army list.

I havent read the new WD yet but this Codex should come with all the needed datasheets. For Grey Knight Terminators, Assassins, Inquisitors etc. so we won't have to buy the other books.

You cannot mix factions in a detachment. GW could change the faction symbol on the new datasheets to Imperial Agents, like they did with KDK and Renegade Knights. Which I guess is what they will do to make it work.

Do you have a link to the GW post? I can't find it/am missing it atm.

IMPERIAL AGENTS Loyal sons and daughters of the Imperium take heart, as whilst the Ruinous Powers may seek to be in ascendance as the year wanes, the God-Emperor's most righteous agents stalk the stars ready to enact his will.
Codex: Imperial Agents contains nine subfactions of the Imperial war-machine, from agents of the Inquisition to Wyrdvane Psykers of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica to reinforce your armies of the Imperium. After all, Deathwatch Kill Teams and Imperial Assassins are just as likely to be found working alongside regiments of the Astra MIlitarum or Space Marine strike forces as they are working by themselves, giving the Armies of the Imperium increased tactical choice and scope to conquer any foe.
Within this volume you'll find background and rules for using nine smaller factions alongside your existing armies of the Imperium, from the Grey Knight Terminator squads to the BATTLE SISTERS OF THE ADEPTA SORORITAS.

Where is this taken from? I can't seem to find where it's from, does anyone have to url to where it originated from.

Thing that worries me right now is if the sisters will use the same horrible faith system as from the digital version of the codex.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

IMPERIAL AGENTS Loyal sons and daughters of the Imperium take heart, as whilst the Ruinous Powers may seek to be in ascendance as the year wanes, the God-Emperor's most righteous agents stalk the stars ready to enact his will.
Codex: Imperial Agents contains nine subfactions of the Imperial war-machine, from agents of the Inquisition to Wyrdvane Psykers of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica to reinforce your armies of the Imperium. After all, Deathwatch Kill Teams and Imperial Assassins are just as likely to be found working alongside regiments of the Astra MIlitarum or Space Marine strike forces as they are working by themselves, giving the Armies of the Imperium increased tactical choice and scope to conquer any foe.
Within this volume you'll find background and rules for using nine smaller factions alongside your existing armies of the Imperium, from the Grey Knight Terminator squads to the BATTLE SISTERS OF THE ADEPTA SORORITAS.

Where is this taken from? I can't seem to find where it's from, does anyone have to url to where it originated from.

Thing that worries me right now is if the sisters will use the same horrible faith system as from the digital version of the codex.

It is from reddit. The user copied it word for word from white dwarf along with the the traitor legion text. We have photographic evidence to show the traitor stuff was correct aside from the typo so I'm sure this is correct too.

the adeptus/adepta thing feels more like " the berenstein bears" at this point.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
You're not going to tell me you think Adepta Soraritas is more copyrightable than Adeptus Soraritas.

Adepta is the feminine of Adeptus.
It fits.

 BloodGrin wrote:
Adepta is the feminine of Adeptus.
It fits.

I know the difference. It's not what I was asking about.

 BloodGrin wrote:
Sadly some people can not help but be negative.
It is some kind of genetic flaw.

It's acquired not innate.

 BloodGrin wrote:

Sadly some people can not help but be negative.
It is some kind of genetic flaw.

Oof. The irony. Eeeet burnssss.