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Maybe it would be safest to lock until any actual information on what is and is not in it is available and I suggest Separatethreads on each are then opened?

Both Chaos and Sisters played have long been neglected.

It appears some work has been done for Chaos, following on from other recent releases - or at least some elements of them.

I would hope that at least something - if only something like formations is there for Sisters players.

Specualtion time however based on previous GW modus operandi.

GW have just released Thousand Sons who will absolutely dominate in the psychic phase.

Looking at some of the formations in Warzone Fenris they are going to be quite tough for some armies to beat.

GW normally releases new toys that change the meta and dominate for a couple of months and then release something to counter them.

In the case of Thousand Sons the counter is going to be anti-psyker.

Agents of the Imperium fits the bill and will give Imperial players a way to effectively counter them.

So initially this would have been Grey Knights, Culexus Assassins or Inquisition however GW did just release plastic Sisters of Silence so I reckon they will be in and be available to buy seperately.

As much as I want Sisters of Battle in plastic and Jes Goodwin did say back in 2009 they were being worked on I have a feeling they might take a bit of a back seat to Sisters of Silence but both will be playable.

The only reason I am not 100% confident plastic Sisters will be available with this release is because of the photo taken at Warhammer World of boxes of metal Sisters blisters being labelled up in the Warhammer World store a couple of months ago.

I have a feeling Sisters will remain in metal and be direct only for a while longer but will be available to buy in the Warhammer World store as part of this release.

As I say though that's speculation on my part - but I do think the Imperial Agents supplement will predominantly be anti-psyker.

I still believe that there could be a Sisters HQ/Sisters basic Squad release for this book. It would just be so weird to include Sisters and just put pics of the now-ancient metal minis in there.

Nvs wrote:
Sifting through all the side conversations I may have missed it, but is there anything new for Thousand Sons in the legion book? Will it be a direct port so if you have no interest in demons maybe you're better off going with the legion book over magnus?

I really hope so. I don't want to buy the Campaign Book II: Wrath of KHAN Magnus.



I just want the Chaos gak.

 kronk wrote:

Nvs wrote:
Sifting through all the side conversations I may have missed it, but is there anything new for Thousand Sons in the legion book? Will it be a direct port so if you have no interest in demons maybe you're better off going with the legion book over magnus?

I really hope so. I don't want to buy the Campaign Book II: Wrath of KHAN Magnus.



I just want the Chaos gak.

Now that we've had it noted by the Warhammer Community page that there are Relics, Warlord tables, and Detachments made up of Formations I think it's safe to say that it includes the new Thousand Sons stuff from Wrath of Magnus.

 Cothonian wrote:
I am really looking forward to Codex Imperial Agents. No more having to buy 3+ codex's for armies with only four or five units.

Agreed. That, and I prefer hard copies to electronica by like x45 or at least x44.7.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I still believe that there could be a Sisters HQ/Sisters basic Squad release for this book. It would just be so weird to include Sisters and just put pics of the now-ancient metal minis in there.

There was a rumor about a hq, so it might happen

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I still believe that there could be a Sisters HQ/Sisters basic Squad release for this book. It would just be so weird to include Sisters and just put pics of the now-ancient metal minis in there.

I am hoping so. I wouldn't mind adding some Sisters and Canoness to my models.

This book should allow me to warrant picking up singular squads from the different Imperial armies. Some Sisters and some Grey Knights would be fun. Perhaps a formation for Assassins other than their existing one.

 dan2026 wrote:
We live in a world where Genestealer Cults are once again a full army. Why are people so sure Sisters won't come back as well?

Because we've had rumors of plastic Sisters of Battle for over a decade, and absolutely nothing to show for it. Not even new resin models, never mind plastics.

Thus my comment about Chaos players-- chaos players get updates, new miniatures, new codices that have actual expansions of the army, and simply don't like the updates they get. And I'm not saying they don't have valid reasons to dislike whar they've gotten; in actuality, I don't care either way, that's beside the point, which is that they HAVE gotten stuff.

Sisters players, by contrast, simply don't get updates at all, merely rehashes of the same units for the past thirteen years with the last new miniatures released in third edition and the majority of miniatures from second edition, topped off by stagnating rules that have included the same things with only minor variations for pretty much that long.

Some sisters players are hyped. But not all. And frankly, those that aren't hyped have a right to be VERY skeptical until GW actually produces a reason for there to be hype. And evidence right now is in very short supply-- just the same vague nonsense that has failed to deliver for longer than some of the players on this forum have been alive.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 kronk wrote:

Nvs wrote:
Sifting through all the side conversations I may have missed it, but is there anything new for Thousand Sons in the legion book? Will it be a direct port so if you have no interest in demons maybe you're better off going with the legion book over magnus?

I really hope so. I don't want to buy the Campaign Book II: Wrath of KHAN Magnus.



I just want the Chaos gak.

Now that we've had it noted by the Warhammer Community page that there are Relics, Warlord tables, and Detachments made up of Formations I think it's safe to say that it includes the new Thousand Sons stuff from Wrath of Magnus.

Is it though? Veterannoob (apologies if I misspelled that) wasn't aware of any new units in traitor legions. I could be misinterpreting that, but the community article also doesn't mention them.
So if traitor legions doesn't include the rules for the the new units, how could they put up formations that require those units? As far as I know that's something only forgeworld does.

 Roknar wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 kronk wrote:

Nvs wrote:
Sifting through all the side conversations I may have missed it, but is there anything new for Thousand Sons in the legion book? Will it be a direct port so if you have no interest in demons maybe you're better off going with the legion book over magnus?

I really hope so. I don't want to buy the Campaign Book II: Wrath of KHAN Magnus.



I just want the Chaos gak.

Now that we've had it noted by the Warhammer Community page that there are Relics, Warlord tables, and Detachments made up of Formations I think it's safe to say that it includes the new Thousand Sons stuff from Wrath of Magnus.

Is it though? Veterannoob (apologies if I misspelled that) wasn't aware of any new units in traitor legions. I could be misinterpreting that, but the community article also doesn't mention them.
So if traitor legions doesn't include the rules for the the new units, how could they put up formations that require those units? As far as I know that's something only forgeworld does.

This is his comment:

VeteranNoob wrote:Since Warhammer Community thankfully posted this today with a good glimpse of what's in the book I can at least say this much. Afaik no new models with this release and Imperial Agents at the moment, though in 2017...woah nelly I'm a Death Guard player in 30K and probably will be in 40K eventually (though sticking with Building a TS army off the Wrath of Magnus release and then once I win the lottery, naturally, a 30K TS legion since Inferno will be out in February.) ...but, back to DG. Can't say anything specific until the review but I'm quite pleased with the DG rules, warlord traits, expanded Nurgle lore, artefacts, 6 specific objective cards and bonuses. But disclaimer: I'm only now with TS release becoming a CSM player for the first time so my expectations and satisfaction with content may be vastly different from anyone's, and I don't care for competitive 40K (especially the past 2 years), but I feel the fluff/theme of the legions is reflected well in the new rules. I'm also an Ork player and while I would love new or even better rules (especially for the Gork/Morkanauts) I fully understand Chaos players are long overdue for some attention and they're rightfully moved to the front of the queue.

To all my fellow sons of Mortarion, Count the Seven!

No new models with Traitor Legions and Imperial Agents in 2016.

StraightSilver wrote:
Specualtion time however based on previous GW modus operandi.

GW have just released Thousand Sons who will absolutely dominate in the psychic phase.

Looking at some of the formations in Warzone Fenris they are going to be quite tough for some armies to beat.

GW normally releases new toys that change the meta and dominate for a couple of months and then release something to counter them.

In the case of Thousand Sons the counter is going to be anti-psyker.

Agents of the Imperium fits the bill and will give Imperial players a way to effectively counter them.

So initially this would have been Grey Knights, Culexus Assassins or Inquisition however GW did just release plastic Sisters of Silence so I reckon they will be in and be available to buy seperately.

As much as I want Sisters of Battle in plastic and Jes Goodwin did say back in 2009 they were being worked on I have a feeling they might take a bit of a back seat to Sisters of Silence but both will be playable.

The only reason I am not 100% confident plastic Sisters will be available with this release is because of the photo taken at Warhammer World of boxes of metal Sisters blisters being labelled up in the Warhammer World store a couple of months ago.

I have a feeling Sisters will remain in metal and be direct only for a while longer but will be available to buy in the Warhammer World store as part of this release.

As I say though that's speculation on my part - but I do think the Imperial Agents supplement will predominantly be anti-psyker.

I don't think games workshop looks at or cares what the meta of 40k is. They're not Riot games or anything. Even with them being cooler than they used to be I doubt 'psychic is gonna be really good with Tsons' factors into their equation much.

 Melissia wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
We live in a world where Genestealer Cults are once again a full army. Why are people so sure Sisters won't come back as well?

Because we've had rumors of plastic Sisters of Battle for over a decade, and absolutely nothing to show for it. Not even new resin models, never mind plastics.

Thus my comment about Chaos players-- chaos players get updates, new miniatures, new codices that have actual expansions of the army, and simply don't like the updates they get. And I'm not saying they don't have valid reasons to dislike whar they've gotten; in actuality, I don't care either way, that's beside the point, which is that they HAVE gotten stuff.

Sisters players, by contrast, simply don't get updates at all, merely rehashes of the same units for the past thirteen years.

Don't forget that Tom Kirby only stepped down as GW CEO in 2015. As well all know everything before that point was rocky at best. We're in the GW renaissance now! Loads of cool stuff has happened in the last 6 months. Hold on for little longer and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with new Sisters

Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.

In the not too distant past we have had new, assassins, harlequins, GS cults, kharn, arihman, Magnus, thousand sons, deathwatch and probably a load of gak I have forgotten.

People just need to calm down and wait. Sisters will come. Mark my words.

 Melissia wrote:
Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.

That's the nature of the beast I'm afraid.

So is it worth waiting for the agents book to be released and reviewed before splashing out on some lovely inquisition/gk models?

I can barely contain my excitement! Found out about it seconds after I decided to act on my pipe dream of building an inq/gk/assassin force

 hippyjr wrote:
So is it worth waiting for the agents book to be released and reviewed before splashing out on some lovely inquisition/gk models?

I can barely contain my excitement! Found out about it seconds after I decided to act on my pipe dream of building an inq/gk/assassin force

you can build that army now. It's even ITC legal 'cause it's 3 sources.

 Roknar wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 kronk wrote:

Nvs wrote:
Sifting through all the side conversations I may have missed it, but is there anything new for Thousand Sons in the legion book? Will it be a direct port so if you have no interest in demons maybe you're better off going with the legion book over magnus?

I really hope so. I don't want to buy the Campaign Book II: Wrath of KHAN Magnus.



I just want the Chaos gak.

Now that we've had it noted by the Warhammer Community page that there are Relics, Warlord tables, and Detachments made up of Formations I think it's safe to say that it includes the new Thousand Sons stuff from Wrath of Magnus.

Is it though? Veterannoob (apologies if I misspelled that) wasn't aware of any new units in traitor legions. I could be misinterpreting that, but the community article also doesn't mention them.
So if traitor legions doesn't include the rules for the the new units, how could they put up formations that require those units? As far as I know that's something only forgeworld does.

Traitor Legions won't have rules for any units. It's essentially going to be the Chaos version of Angels of Death.

Has anyone Considered Imperial Knights to be an "Imperial Agent"?
It would seem plausable...

 commander dante wrote:
Has anyone Considered Imperial Knights to be an "Imperial Agent"?
It would seem plausable...

Then why should I buy the Imperial Knight Codex?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 andysonic1 wrote:
Do you enjoy going online and acting persecuted?

Hybrid is a Sisters player. Point me to one of them who doesn't do this?

/raises hand

I find the sisters whining in this thread to be ridiculous, personally.

ERJAK wrote:

 hippyjr wrote:
So is it worth waiting for the agents book to be released and reviewed before splashing out on some lovely inquisition/gk models?

I can barely contain my excitement! Found out about it seconds after I decided to act on my pipe dream of building an inq/gk/assassin force

you can build that army now. It's even ITC legal 'cause it's 3 sources.

Yeah, but now I don't need to buy three books It's just a case of buying models before the book is released and risk getting stuff that isn't in the book.

 hippyjr wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 hippyjr wrote:
So is it worth waiting for the agents book to be released and reviewed before splashing out on some lovely inquisition/gk models?

I can barely contain my excitement! Found out about it seconds after I decided to act on my pipe dream of building an inq/gk/assassin force

you can build that army now. It's even ITC legal 'cause it's 3 sources.

Yeah, but now I don't need to buy three books It's just a case of buying models before the book is released and risk getting stuff that isn't in the book.

oh yeah, sometimes I forget that you're supposed to actually BUY the books.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Well this thread is on its way to Locksville...

good riddance

 Melissia wrote:
Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.

Gw hinted at them and guys with pretty much 100 accuracy said they are coming.

They are coming.

tneva82 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.

Gw hinted at them and guys with pretty much 100 accuracy said they are coming.

They are coming.

And who was that?

 pretre wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.

Gw hinted at them and guys with pretty much 100 accuracy said they are coming.

They are coming.

And who was that?

It was either sad panda or attia. Don't know anxthing those have said that was false. So while gw might have joked(they couldbe stupid enough) with this...well white dwarf has more errors than those two combined.

Never buy based on rumors. Even if they end up being correct at release time. There are no new models AFAIK with LT and Imp Agents over the next 2 weeks. However, in 2017... yay! TL preorder is Saturday.

Requizen wrote:
Traitor Legions won't have rules for any units. It's essentially going to be the Chaos version of Angels of Death.

And AoD does contain unit rules.