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Chikout wrote:
Ok here is a semi plausible scenario.
1- GW releases fun new rules for old AOS minis, sales increase 1000% (rules sell armies, who knew?)
2- GW thinks why not do that for 40k too.
3- OK thousand sons are coming how about a chaos book.
4- Cool what about marine players?
5- well how about a book of allies for them.
6- Good idea. We're doing sister next year. If we throw them in too people will double dip.
7- great but we don't have any minis to go with this.
8- hmm, we can't do anything plastic in time so why not do a resin mini. How about a canoness.
9 but we've got a plastic canoness coming next year.
10- no problem, make it a limited edition special character, people will buy both.

Sounds plausible.

I mean, they wouldn't be wrong, so...

Don't worry haters, Blanche is pretty old so I'm sure he'll retire soon enough. Then we can all enjoy 40K devolving into a boring generic scifi mush.

 Crimson wrote:
Then we can all enjoy 40K devolving into a boring generic scifi mush.

So what's the difference from what Blanche has given us, if that's your prediction?

If that list of contents is true I will be quite sad about this book.

I was expecting something along the lines of 1 HQ/1 Troops for the (sorta) Chambers Militant. Now it just seems like its an excuse to sell bigger models (Blackstar, Babycarrier, Valk). What a wasted opportunity, especially for a proper Codex with no new models (was really expecting Sister HQ/Sister Squad).

Disappointing.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
I'm going to be speaking some heresy right now but I really hate Blanche artwork, it's over the top and quite ridiculous in proportions of people. I do like the artwork for locations though, like the artwork for Commoragh. People on the other hand look quite ridiculous imo.

You're not alone. Blanche may have defined what 40K is, but better artists (Adrian Smith, Mark Gibbons and even Jess Goodwin) have taken that inspiration and made it into something workable.

Chikout wrote:
Ok here is a semi plausible scenario.
1- GW releases fun new rules for old AOS minis, sales increase 1000% (rules sell armies, who knew?)
2- GW thinks why not do that for 40k too.
3- OK thousand sons are coming how about a chaos book.
4- Cool what about marine players?
5- well how about a book of allies for them.
6- Good idea. We're doing sister next year. If we throw them in too people will double dip.
7- great but we don't have any minis to go with this.
8- hmm, we can't do anything plastic in time so why not do a resin mini. How about a canoness.
9 but we've got a plastic canoness coming next year.
10- no problem, make it a limited edition special character, people will buy both.

That sounds cynical enough to be true.

Feel free to start a discussion debating the merits of John Blanche's artwork in the General Discussion board. Thanks.

So how about them updates!

We are getting a new resin limited-edition miniature (I'll not be getting it regardless of how it looks, because of its limited-edition nature, there's a lot of players in D/FW that'd get it before I did), and a book containing a bunch of units that already exist from other codices. Looks like that's about it as far as Imperial Agents news goes, unless something new comes up. Pretty much what I expected barring the limited-edition miniature.

I'm very tempted to use this as an excuse to start that Inquisition army I always wanted to try

I suspect that's the reason why they released the supplement.

 Melissia wrote:
So how about them updates!

We are getting a new resin limited-edition miniature (I'll not be getting it regardless of how it looks, because of its limited-edition nature, there's a lot of players in D/FW that'd get it before I did), and a book containing a bunch of units that already exist from other codices. Looks like that's about it as far as Imperial Agents news goes, unless something new comes up. Pretty much what I expected barring the limited-edition miniature.

Kinda meh, feels like they are just mashing together what hasn't sold well. Hopefully I will be wrong.

 Melissia wrote:
I suspect that's the reason why they released the supplement.

Well, that and to shoehorn Sisters of Battle into an actual army and be done with it. Hopefully they then get on to actually needed units like Henchman and plastic inquisitors. We can get the plastic Sister kit so Sisters players are thrown the only kit they need to build an army. Once they have a squad with a few heavy weapon options, thats their full army. They already have rhinos, and a resin cannoness. Boom, army's done and dusted.

As cynical as it is, I doubt that's the reasoning.

I don't think it's the sole reasoning, but to assume there is substantial support coming for Sisters is naive. They aren't a popular army. They arent even fully a real army. They are 3 versions of power armor squads and then another version of powerarmor with jumpacks. Thats the whole army. They aren't going to come up with anything new for them, so why wouldn't they squeeze them in the Inquisition, which is really where they belong anyway. They don't have enough variety, and really they always had ecclesiarchy units to fill out a book anyway. When those types of units are already in the Inquisition codex, it makes sense to combine them.

Hell, we've seen Ad Mech and Genestealer Cult and Deathwatch get full armies before Sisters have had a single new release.

I think it's safe to assume they are being folded into the Inquisition dex and GW will move on to other things. Especially given that 8th edition will probably bring a consolidation of armies like AoS, it makes sense to start laying the groundwork for an army that will probably become "Codex: Imperium" in 8th edition.

It's the same reason we're seeing Legions now and not after a new edition like is typical for GW. They are just going to fold them into a larger Codex: Chaos.

 Starfarer wrote:
They are 3 versions of power armor squads and then another version of powerarmor with jumpacks. Thats the whole army.

That's not even objectively true, never mind subjectively.

 Melissia wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
They are 3 versions of power armor squads and then another version of powerarmor with jumpacks. Thats the whole army.

That's not even objectively true, never mind subjectively.

I forget the names, but isn't it basically bolter squads, special weapon squads and heavy weapon squads? And they Seraphim for the jump pack sqauds. What else is there?

They have the penitent engine and the ladies with robes and chainsaws

Indeed, Vash, that plus the three unique vehicles and the Rhino. It's a small army, but it's not just "three identical units and an HQ"

 Vash108 wrote:
They have the penitent engine and the ladies with robes and chainsaws

Which are ecclesiarchy units, like frateris militia or priests are. Those are easily units that could carry over into an Inquisition book.

 Melissia wrote:
Indeed, Vash, that plus the three unique vehicles and the Rhino. It's a small army, but it's not just "three identical units and an HQ"

I already mentioned the rhino, and the others are just rhino variants. The penitent engine is the only other unit that is truly unique. And that means GW isn't going to create a codex for one new kit. Not when they can put out a single plastic sisters squad that cover making units of the majority of Sisters squads that exist. They really just need jump packs, and they could release those separately in finecast like they did with the stormcast upgrade packs.


That covers most of the army. That's all they are going to put out. They aren't going to make new units or anything that doesn't already exist, that's nearly certain.

They'll just be another piece of the larger Imperium army for 40k. Hell, it was one of the more reliable rumor mongers who said all that was planned was a single box and a clamp pack in plastic, and said they might add more stuff later if it proved a popular release.

 Starfarer wrote:
I don't think it's the sole reasoning, but to assume there is substantial support coming for Sisters is naive. They aren't a popular army. They arent even fully a real army. They are 3 versions of power armor squads and then another version of powerarmor with jumpacks. Thats the whole army. They aren't going to come up with anything new for them, so why wouldn't they squeeze them in the Inquisition, which is really where they belong anyway. They don't have enough variety, and really they always had ecclesiarchy units to fill out a book anyway. When those types of units are already in the Inquisition codex, it makes sense to combine them.

Hell, we've seen Ad Mech and Genestealer Cult and Deathwatch get full armies before Sisters have had a single new release.

I think it's safe to assume they are being folded into the Inquisition dex and GW will move on to other things. Especially given that 8th edition will probably bring a consolidation of armies like AoS, it makes sense to start laying the groundwork for an army that will probably become "Codex: Imperium" in 8th edition.

It's the same reason we're seeing Legions now and not after a new edition like is typical for GW. They are just going to fold them into a larger Codex: Chaos.

Except that Aos is going in exactly the opposite direction. There are four grand alliances but 13 battletomes so far and they are just getting started. In 40k they have added two cult mechanics factions, an extra Eldar faction, an extra marine faction, an extra tyranid faction (kind of) and an extra chaos faction. This feels like exactly the time for a sisters book and range. We may see the factions arranged into alliances like AoS, but expect to see more books than ever.

 Starfarer wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
They have the penitent engine and the ladies with robes and chainsaws

Which are ecclesiarchy units, like frateris militia or priests are. Those are easily units that could carry over into an Inquisition book.

Sisters Repentia are an Adepta Sororitas unit.

Chikout wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
I don't think it's the sole reasoning, but to assume there is substantial support coming for Sisters is naive. They aren't a popular army. They arent even fully a real army. They are 3 versions of power armor squads and then another version of powerarmor with jumpacks. Thats the whole army. They aren't going to come up with anything new for them, so why wouldn't they squeeze them in the Inquisition, which is really where they belong anyway. They don't have enough variety, and really they always had ecclesiarchy units to fill out a book anyway. When those types of units are already in the Inquisition codex, it makes sense to combine them.

Hell, we've seen Ad Mech and Genestealer Cult and Deathwatch get full armies before Sisters have had a single new release.

I think it's safe to assume they are being folded into the Inquisition dex and GW will move on to other things. Especially given that 8th edition will probably bring a consolidation of armies like AoS, it makes sense to start laying the groundwork for an army that will probably become "Codex: Imperium" in 8th edition.

It's the same reason we're seeing Legions now and not after a new edition like is typical for GW. They are just going to fold them into a larger Codex: Chaos.

Except that Aos is going in exactly the opposite direction. There are four grand alliances but 13 battletomes so far and they are just getting started. In 40k they have added two cult mechanics factions, an extra Eldar faction, an extra marine faction, an extra tyranid faction (kind of) and an extra chaos faction. This feels like exactly the time for a sisters book and range. We may see the factions arranged into alliances like AoS, but expect to see more books than ever.

Right, but that took almost 2 years for AoS to get in its stride with new releases. If they released a full Sisters codex right before 8th edition, which is rumored for June, they would immediately invalidate a codex that's been anticipated for years.

So that's exactly why they'll get rolled in to the Imperial Agents codex, and then be part of the Imperium faction in 8th and might get a full book a few years down the road.

I'm not saying that's what they deserve, just what's likely to happen based on the cure entry release rumors, and the tI me line going forward and direction of 8th edition.

Sisters aren't any worse than Deathwatch with their 4 HQs, 1 Troops, 4 Elites, 5 FA(4 of which are dedicated transports), 3 HS. Sisters have around the same number of units. And if they are getting a new model range, they are likely going to get more.

Every darn sisters thread. They all end up like this.

Quick question, what belongs to whom exactly?
Afaik it's like this:

Sisters:
Canoness
Celestian
Repentia
Battle Sister
Seraphim
Dominion
Retributor
Dialogus
Hospitaller

Ecclesiarchy:
Priests
Arco-Flagellant - Punishment
Penitent Engine - Punishment
Frateris Militia - Rabble armed with whatever they can find, worse than cultists in pretty much all aspects

The thing I'm not sure about are Death Cult Assassins
They seem more like an Inquisitorial unit than something that belongs with the Sisters or the Ecclesiarchy.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Sisters aren't any worse than Deathwatch with their 4 HQs, 1 Troops, 4 Elites, 5 FA(4 of which are dedicated transports), 3 HS. Sisters have around the same number of units. And if they are getting a new model range, they are likely going to get more.

But Deathwatch are space marines, so that means they automatically deserve a codex.

I mean, the last Sisters Codex was the laziest release possible. It re-used existing artwork, existing fluff, and was released as an ebook only.

It's really not surprising to see them rolled into an Imperial Agents codex. That's what they were in 3rd Edition. Codex: Witch Hunters didn't even require any Sisters of Battle models to play.

I still think we're going to see new Sisters models eventually, though.

Frateris were briefly (and awesomely) replaced with redemptionists for an edition or two.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
I mean, the last Sisters Codex was the laziest release possible. It re-used existing artwork, existing fluff, and was released as an ebook only.

It's really not surprising to see them rolled into an Imperial Agents codex. That's what they were in 3rd Edition. Codex: Witch Hunters didn't even require any Sisters of Battle models to play.

I still think we're going to see new Sisters models eventually, though.

This is exactly what I'm saying.

I thought we got this thread broken up from Chaos Legions because this was suppose to be Imperial Agents. I guess this thread just became Sisters of Battle thread not Imperial Agents.

This thread should have never been split into two separate threads. Now instead of Imperil Agents we are just talking about Sisters of Battle.

Davor wrote:
I thought we got this thread broken up from Chaos Legions because this was suppose to be Imperial Agents. I guess this thread just became Sisters of Battle thread not Imperial Agents.

This thread should have never been split into two separate threads. Now instead of Imperil Agents we are just talking about Sisters of Battle.

You're a Long Time Dakkanaut, You should know by now that Sisters of Battle fans inevitably make any thread remotely about Sisters of Battle a thread about Sisters of Battle.