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http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328036-the-hunt-da-the-fallen-luther-the-lion/


Saw this in the Magnus thread, I felt like it deserved its own rumor thread

Jokes aside, I can't decide what I'd like more. A supplement for Traitor Legions or a Fallen Angels supplement.
To say nothing of the potential of models to go along with this. Cypher and his merry band of closet loyalists.
Please GW make it so lol.

Minis for fallen angels? How 'bout a mini for Cypher that doesn't suck.

How about we get some of those Great Beasts as warbeasts for the Fallen to use against the Unforgiven.

I wonder, is Luther the madman among the forest? I can't rightly remember if he lived or died.

Luther lived. He's the prophet in the heart of the Rock. Near the sleeping Lion. I thought they'd killed Astelan but maybe not. Maybe they decided to keep him alive because he wanted death.

Given what they did with Kharn and ahriman I think that would look stunning. I can't get this image out of my head ever since i saw it:


With an approriate scenic base and model based on that version of cypher...mmmh.

So the implication is the Dark Angels primarch has gone rogue?

Luther was imprisoned in the Rock, if he is getting rules then he probably got out when the lion awoke, the question is is he on the lions side or the other side, and who's side is the lion on. I would say Astelan is the madman but thats just a guess. This should be good if its true.

Fezza213 wrote:
Luther was imprisoned in the Rock, if he is getting rules then he probably got out when the lion awoke, the question is is he on the lions side or the other side, and who's side is the lion on. I would say Astelan is the madman but thats just a guess. This should be good if its true.

Hazard a guess that if the Lion is awake, and there is a Primarch fight going down in Warzone Fenris.. then he's up and fighting as a Loyalist. If him and Magnus combined forces that'd really suck.

how is it that Luthor has been able to live 10,000 years when even Dante is only 1100 years old and he is the oldest astarte currently?

I can see it now...

The Dark Angels invade Fenris because of the changeling only to find out that the changeling was working for Magnus all along and trying to hunt down and kill the Lion before he awakes.

Magnus is invading Fenris now to push the Dark Angels back because he was always loyal only for the Lion to awake and make his legion whole by bringing the fallen back into the fold and attacking Earth so he can be the one true Emperor of Mankind.

LightKing wrote:
how is it that Luthor has been able to live 10,000 years when even Dante is only 1100 years old and he is the oldest astarte currently?

Luther is not an Astartes, he was too old, they gave some treatments but he is not a full Astartes he is probably similar to Kor Phaeron

LightKing wrote:
how is it that Luthor has been able to live 10,000 years when even Dante is only 1100 years old and he is the oldest astarte currently?

Current fluff is that first generation SM (i.e. perfect geneseed) are immortal. The seed has devolved quite a bit since original implantation. In fact Dante/Logan probably accidentally got a less mutated geneseed.

Also what Jehan said. My guess is "Something" is keeping him alive. Or he could be an eternal without knowing it.

arn't there alot of characters that are still alive from the Heresy era

Ahriman?

Knarn ?

Cypher?

etc. etc.

LightKing wrote:
how is it that Luthor has been able to live 10,000 years when even Dante is only 1100 years old and he is the oldest astarte currently?

A lot of his "longevity" is due to the fact when the Supreme Grand Master is not talking to Luther, they keep him in Stasis Lock.

Kharn, Ahriman, and Cypher are all first gen from what I understand but any CSM character still alive can also put a fair bit of stock in one of the following reasons;

-supposed immortality due to the geneseed
-patron god keeping them alive
-time moves differently in the warp

Oh my Gods, maybe my joke was right... Abaddon stands before Golden throne and Cypher leaps out of the shadows to block the killing blow.

Soon, I think a 40K fluff advancement drinking game is in order. Time to whip out the shot glasses for gaming events.

So... this is going to be an even bigger shake up of the universe than Magnus coming back.


How does Terra react to the Lion, how to the high lords react when they get news that he is back......

 Hulksmash wrote:

Current fluff is that first generation SM (i.e. perfect geneseed) are immortal. The seed has devolved quite a bit since original implantation. In fact Dante/Logan probably accidentally got a less mutated geneseed.

Really? Well, that's stupid.
What's the source for this nonsense?

I always thought that Dante being the oldest Astartes alive was because GRIMDARK: Astartes never live long enough to die a natural death. (If they even can die a natural death: perhapsthey have inherited enough of what ever makes the Emperor special via the primarchs to be immortal.)

 Crimson wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

Current fluff is that first generation SM (i.e. perfect geneseed) are immortal. The seed has devolved quite a bit since original implantation. In fact Dante/Logan probably accidentally got a less mutated geneseed.

Really? Well, that's stupid.
What's the source for this nonsense?

Horus Heresy novels.

 Hulksmash wrote:

Horus Heresy novels.

I know they're a source for a lot of nonsense, but could you be a bit more specific? It is the first time I've heard this particular claim.

Carlovonsexron wrote:
I always thought that Dante being the oldest Astartes alive was because GRIMDARK: Astartes never live long enough to die a natural death. (If they even can die a natural death: perhapsthey have inherited enough of what ever makes the Emperor special via the primarchs to be immortal.)

This is my preferred take. But then, I also want the Eldar to be immortal.

LightKing wrote:how is it that Luthor has been able to live 10,000 years when even Dante is only 1100 years old and he is the oldest astarte currently?

As was said, Luthor is not an Astarte, he was too old. Thing is, the only reason he was able to go toe to toe with El'Johnson was because he took on the ruinous powers of Chaos. So that giving him powers could have given him long life. I never thought of what was said earlier about keeping him in statis as well. So long life from Chaos powers and being in statis could let him live for over 10 000 years.

Davor wrote:

LightKing wrote:how is it that Luthor has been able to live 10,000 years when even Dante is only 1100 years old and he is the oldest astarte currently?

As was said, Luthor is not an Astarte, he was too old. Thing is, the only reason he was able to go toe to toe with El'Johnson was because he took on the ruinous powers of Chaos. So that giving him powers could have given him long life. I never thought of what was said earlier about keeping him in statis as well. So long life from Chaos powers and being in statis could let him live for over 10 000 years.

well i was just recently told that The Lion actually could of won the fight, but hesitated killing Luthor, allowing Luthor to chaos blast the Lion

Yes the lion could have killed him, even though Luther was supercharged by chaos. He hesitated as he truly cared for his friend Luther. The lion did have his moments where he sent a bunch of the legion home if the upset him, but he didn't wish death on them.

However, it sounds like the lion can kill Luther once and for all now! It will be interesting to see if the fallen join the angels. Cypher isn't all bad when you read about him. He still cares for the legion, and the lion's sword

 455_PWR wrote:
Yes the lion could have killed him, even though Luther was supercharged by chaos. He hesitated as he truly cared for his friend Luther. The lion did have his moments where he sent a bunch of the legion home if the upset him, but he didn't wish death on them.

However, it sounds like the lion can kill Luther once and for all now! It will be interesting to see if the fallen join the angels. Cypher isn't all bad when you read about him. He still cares for the legion, and the lion's sword

what book features that fight?

Dark Angels already have formations and their codex was not too long ago... interesting to see what their successor chapters will be like though (or if it's just a nice way to say "paint however you feel").

I want Lion to wake up and his first words being

"where the hell is Russ"

Requizen wrote:
Dark Angels already have formations and their codex was not too long ago... interesting to see what their successor chapters will be like though (or if it's just a nice way to say "paint however you feel").

Well, their formations are not all that great at representing all three wings.
I mean, you can't even RUN a pure deathwing.
And the greenwing is underwhelming.


And once you factor in the new dudes that need to be inserted, there is an update needed at least.
And then there are the fallen.

And obviously it won't be JUST the dark angels there, someone else has got to stick their noses in, its the IoM after all.