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Traditio, I find it really entertaining how GW gave you the boost you wanted for flakk missiles and skyfire autocannons but you realise the very specific thing you asked for (4+ armour FMCs) is really just a nerf on grav.

Nothing personal, but it is a great example of 'be careful what you wish for'. Sooo Tzeentchian .

Could someone provide a link to the boycott the Wraithknight/Riptide/Stormsurge/all superheavies/Tesseract Vault etc?

No takers? Thought not.

If people want to use the bigger and more powerful units in their games let them. You don't HAVE to play against Magnus, Riptide Wing etc., if you don't want to. Some people however do.

The fish heads clearly are being purchased by some even though they attract a significant mark up to compensate for lower sales.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Could someone provide a link to the boycott the Wraithknight/Riptide/Stormsurge/all superheavies/Tesseract Vault etc?

No takers? Thought not.

If people want to use the bigger and more powerful units in their games let them. You don't HAVE to play against Magnus, Riptide Wing etc., if you don't want to. Some people however do.

The fish heads clearly are being purchased by some even though they attract a significant mark up to compensate for lower sales.

Before clicking, guess who started it:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/691903.page

(not calling for a boycott explicitly, but implicitly)

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:
So I'm seeing a lot of discussion on Magnus' save.

To be clear his 4++ comes from his "Crown" so it is not limited to 3++ the via MoT.

Next the Primas Power seems to be legit except it is +1 to invul saves.

There appears to be a formation that adds a +1 to your invul save if you have a "blessing" on any thousand Sons unit.

This means he can probably get a 2++ fairly easily and already rerolls 1's.

Assuming all the above is true it will take 252 caused wounds to kill Magnus.

To put that into perspective if you have 74 lascannons shooting at BS 5 it would take you 5 turns to kill him.

Just fruit for thought.

I'm pretty sure it's any thousand sons unit with a blessing gets +1 invulnerable save, not if any unit has a blessing they all get +1.

If that's what you meant, wording!

 Wolfblade wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Could someone provide a link to the boycott the Wraithknight/Riptide/Stormsurge/all superheavies/Tesseract Vault etc?

No takers? Thought not.

If people want to use the bigger and more powerful units in their games let them. You don't HAVE to play against Magnus, Riptide Wing etc., if you don't want to. Some people however do.

The fish heads clearly are being purchased by some even though they attract a significant mark up to compensate for lower sales.

Before clicking, guess who started it:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/691903.page

(not calling for a boycott explicitly, but implicitly)

Sorry but that is a legitimate question, albeit for the best of GW and of people that like the models, the best option would be have reasonable rules (along less rerolls, deathstars and so on). But still, the game went bonkers and one of the reasons is how big models were handled.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 Wolfblade wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Could someone provide a link to the boycott the Wraithknight/Riptide/Stormsurge/all superheavies/Tesseract Vault etc?

No takers? Thought not.

If people want to use the bigger and more powerful units in their games let them. You don't HAVE to play against Magnus, Riptide Wing etc., if you don't want to. Some people however do.

The fish heads clearly are being purchased by some even though they attract a significant mark up to compensate for lower sales.

Before clicking, guess who started it:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/691903.page

(not calling for a boycott explicitly, but implicitly)

Sorry but that is a legitimate question, albeit for the best of GW and of people that like the models, the best option would be have reasonable rules (along less rerolls, deathstars and so on). But still, the game went bonkers and one of the reasons is how big models were handled.

If you read the thread you'd that ALL superheavies are OP including things like the malcador. As for balancing, that's obvious, but this is 40k, a game not exactly known for having high quality rules, and its FAQs consistently requiring FAQs. The game was broken long before SHVs, LoW and GMCs

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
If people want to use the bigger and more powerful units in their games let them. You don't HAVE to play against Magnus, Riptide Wing etc., if you don't want to. Some people however do.

You might however not have many left to actually play the game against if you don't want epic-scaled models in 40k. People tend to want to actually use the $160 single models they buy.


This is entirely aside from any issues with designing a scale that allows for both individual grots and individual titans.

I wanna play this guy in 1,000 point matches and always run magnus

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
I wanna play this guy in 1,000 point matches and always run magnus

You Sir/Madam get a +1.

Even better, use 999pts of Aetos'Rau'Keres (haven't got the book in front of me so apologies for the spelling) from IA13 and suckle upon the tears. Or refuse to play, one of the two.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
I wanna play this guy in 1,000 point matches and always run magnus

You Sir/Madam get a +1.

Even better, use 999pts of Aetos'Rau'Keres (haven't got the book in front of me so apologies for the spelling) from IA13 and suckle upon the tears. Or refuse to play, one of the two.

You cant bring daemon lords under 4 times their price points limit, 4000 for Aetaos

Wait for sm getting skyfiring D-dreadknight manned by three centurions with shield that has -1 against D hits

Why you shouldn't boycott Magnus: It'd annoy Traditio.

A thought occurs.

Maybe if you don't like something GW does, you should post it here for us to discuss, then also go send them an e-mail about it so the people who actually make the game also know how you feel.

Even if they ignore it, it's at least more likely to get something changed, right?

I am sure plenty a person has disregarded the limits on deamon lords like Cheetos'Tau'Peres.

Interesting question, with Aeot (I give up trying to spell it) and his rules if Magnus were the closest daemon, not sure how deamon primarch works with this, bird face and Magnus would potentially have to scrap it out. Hmmmmm. Who would win and does that put Magnus in perspective regarding OP or otherwise?

Sonic Keyboard wrote:
Wait for sm getting skyfiring D-dreadknight manned by three centurions with shield that has -1 against D hits

Magnus in the baby-carrier harness of an Imperial Knight-sized Daemon Engine. Coming to an 8th Edition near you soon.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I am sure plenty a person has disregarded the limits on deamon lords like Cheetos'Tau'Peres.

I think you're making that name up, but after hearing about Inquisitor Obi-Wan Sherlock Cleuseau, I'm not so sure anymore.

@Pouncey - purely made up best guess at phonetic spelling.

I don't even play Chaos, but I might pick up Magnus anyway.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
@Pouncey - purely made up best guess at phonetic spelling.

Close 'nuff then. : D

Oh look, another one of these threads.

You are right traditio, it is impossible to kill.
That is once you have applied your own "restrictions" on what people can use against it.
Ie: The best units from each army.


Recently you complained about MC's having 3+ saves.
They gave this one a 4+ as you suggested and you complain about that now.

However, its also T7, so not even as tough as a WK.
Its vulnerable to being shot by nearly every weapon in 40k, including poison.

Yes, it is strong, but for its cost it better bloody be.
For 100 more you can throw in a warhound that will do alot more damage from better range with 2 turbo lasers.



I think your still stuck a few editions back with your army and you expect everyone to revert back, rather than moving forward yourself
Yes the game has changed and yes, there is power creep, but there always has been.

You also dont seem to realise that casual AND competative gaming exist.
By all means refuse to play it in a casual pickup game, but in a tournament?
Good luck with that.

You dont go to a tournament expecting cute and fluffy lists.




I also like that chaos (tzeentch) finally get a useable LOW choice atlast.



So yes he is strong, but still limited to what he can do and mainly by his points cost.

 War Kitten wrote:
I don't even play Chaos, but I might pick up Magnus anyway.

May as well - it'd certainly make no difference in the long run

I personally want Tzaangors though. They look fantastic



Mmm, something about a model boycott?

 Jackal wrote:
Oh look, another one of these threads..

It ain't Dakka without a Traditio thread bemoaning that any army apart from his is overpowered, broken and needs to be nerfed into the ground.

The fact he's turned this approach to Chaos Space Marines - widely regarded as being the bottom of the scrap pile in terms of their base power level and needing sooooo many books and supplements to even be on base level to SM is some amazing mental gymnastics.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I am sure plenty a person has disregarded the limits on deamon lords like Cheetos'Tau'Peres...

...So the discussion has now become "cheating is overpowered"? "I choose to disregard my Warboss' Wounds total. He's magic and can't die. Orks OP, pls nerf." Really?

I was referring to the snack "Cheetos", crisps as we call them in Blightey. Not cheating.

Nice try, but fail nonetheless.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I was referring to the snack "Cheetos", crisps as we call them in Blightey. Not cheating.

Nice try, but fail nonetheless.

Umm... Aren't Cheetos those orange styrofoamy things that stain people's fingers?

I thought crisps in Britain were those thinly-sliced deep-fried potatoes that we call chips in Canada.

 Pouncey wrote:

Umm... Aren't Cheetos those orange styrofoamy things that stain people's fingers?

I thought crisps in Britain were those thinly-sliced deep-fried potatoes that we call chips in Canada.

Technically they're cheese puffs, but nobody has time for that technicality

Crisps are the thinly sliced potatoes you get in a snack packet, chips are the things on your plate when you order a steak or cook a roast dinner on Sunday night

A space marine player crying about Magnus being OP, lol. I guess you think all those free rhinos/transports in the Demi Company are cool though. We totally shouldn't ban Demi Company because that's your codex. And crying about grav not working? I choked up a little there.

Seriously, the Chaos Marines have been consistently voted as the worse codex for a few years now. Then GW shows some love which might make them half way competitve. Or if nothing else, they gave us some really awesome models.

If anything should be boycotted, it the ridiculous Space Marine Formations. That crap breaks the game, sweeps tournaments, and is broken as all hell. It's so broken that even adding Magnus to the mix actually dials back the power creep...that's how broken Demi Company is.

@Pouncey (yet again) - nah, bit of a catch all generic term over here.

But yes, they are orangey styrofoam things, like Wottsits, which get awful orange colouring everywhere.

Slightly off topic so I will be quiet.

Back to why Magnus should not be bought if you have passion for the game and want balance...

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I was referring to the snack "Cheetos", crisps as we call them in Blightey. Not cheating.

Nice try, but fail nonetheless.

I was referring to you trying to make a statement about the cheesiness of Aetaos'rau'keres (I'm slightly dismayed that I know how to spell it off the top of my head) based on ignoring a sentence in his rules, not about your specific mocking nickname.

@Anomander - No offence was intended and I wasn't referring to Big Bird being cheesy. You may be reading into that one a bit too much mate.

I just find it funny someone starts a thread about an OP sub-1000pts LoW when you have [insert name] running around dropping pie plates like Xmas.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Why you shouldn't boycott Magnus: It'd annoy Traditio.

My thoughts exactly.