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 General Annoyance wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

Umm... Aren't Cheetos those orange styrofoamy things that stain people's fingers?

I thought crisps in Britain were those thinly-sliced deep-fried potatoes that we call chips in Canada.

Technically they're cheese puffs, but nobody has time for that technicality

Crisps are the thinly sliced potatoes you get in a snack packet, chips are the things on your plate when you order a steak or cook a roast dinner on Sunday night

Yeah, in Canada we call crisps, potato chips, and we call chips, french fries.

Because different words mean different things in different countries.

Here is a pertinent question, I hope. So, if this trend continues, and we have a SM player on the soapbox about daemon primarchs, will we see this same thread in relation to Dorn, the Lion, Rowboat?

Why would you put chips with a roast dinner?

What is wrong with the world?

 welshhoppo wrote:
Why would you put chips with a roast dinner?

What is wrong with the world?

Wedges are better, but sometimes you gotta compromise

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Here is a pertinent question, I hope. So, if this trend continues, and we have a SM player on the soapbox about daemon primarchs, will we see this same thread in relation to Dorn, the Lion, Rowboat?

Well, I mean, about 5 years ago Primarchs were thought to be too powerful to ever include in a non-Apocalypse game of 40k. Estimated points values for them were in the multiple thousands.


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 welshhoppo wrote:
Why would you put chips with a roast dinner?

What is wrong with the world?

Well, the world doesn't see a problem with selling soft drinks even though they are incredibly unhealthy for humans and offer no benefits over drinking just the water that went into them without all the extra stuff.

So, a lot.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
@Anomander - No offence was intended and I wasn't referring to Big Bird being cheesy. You may be reading into that one a bit too much mate.

I just find it funny someone starts a thread about an OP sub-1000pts LoW when you have [insert name] running around dropping pie plates like Xmas.

Entirely possible.

The truth of the LoW situation is that most of them aren't actually that powerful, but folks with a skewed understanding of the game seem to think that the LoW label or the Superheavy/Gargantuan types is inherently OP and should be banned outright. (I suspect the fact that the four superheavy plastic kits GW has put out happen to contain between them four of the seven most broken superheavies in all of 40k (and only seven of the thirty-odd normal/playable ones) is part of the problem.)


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 Pouncey wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Here is a pertinent question, I hope. So, if this trend continues, and we have a SM player on the soapbox about daemon primarchs, will we see this same thread in relation to Dorn, the Lion, Rowboat?

Well, I mean, about 5 years ago Primarchs were thought to be too powerful to ever include in a non-Apocalypse game of 40k. Estimated points values for them were in the multiple thousands...

'Estimated points values' for the Primarchs were also based on silly peoples' 10s-across-the-board rerollable-2++ homemade statlines. If they'd paid attention to the bits in Chaos fluff talking about the relationship between Daemon Princes and Greater Daemons they'd have ended up with statlines and rules aiming for where a Daemon Prince special character would sit, at somewhere around the 450pt mark.

And lo and behold, guess what Forge World gave us?

(GW deciding to toss out all sense for the sake of making Magnus 2-2.5x as big as he ought to be is another reason the core team should pack up shop and put the FW writers in charge.)

 Bach wrote:
A space marine player crying about Magnus being OP, lol. I guess you think all those free rhinos/transports in the Demi Company are cool though. We totally shouldn't ban Demi Company because that's your codex. And crying about grav not working? I choked up a little there.

Seriously, the Chaos Marines have been consistently voted as the worse codex for a few years now. Then GW shows some love which might make them half way competitve. Or if nothing else, they gave us some really awesome models.

If anything should be boycotted, it the ridiculous Space Marine Formations. That crap breaks the game, sweeps tournaments, and is broken as all hell. It's so broken that even adding Magnus to the mix actually dials back the power creep...that's how broken Demi Company is.

You'll enjoy this
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/680586.page

I know I'm enjoying it.

 Lou_Cypher wrote:
I'd say he's a bit overpriced. At least compared to an underpriced Wraith knight.

Then again, I do wonder what kind of Psychic Powers are available? If gaze of Magnus is one Str D. Maybe there's another Str D on the Tzeentch table to have. And that's 2 shots of Sunny Ds hitting on 2s on a mobile platform that always has line of sight to everything.

It's be a balance trying to maximize what other 3 powers to use after them.

Gaze of Magnus is beam D spell, I think.


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 Crazyterran wrote:

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:
So I'm seeing a lot of discussion on Magnus' save.

To be clear his 4++ comes from his "Crown" so it is not limited to 3++ the via MoT.

Next the Primas Power seems to be legit except it is +1 to invul saves.

There appears to be a formation that adds a +1 to your invul save if you have a "blessing" on any thousand Sons unit.

This means he can probably get a 2++ fairly easily and already rerolls 1's.

Assuming all the above is true it will take 252 caused wounds to kill Magnus.

To put that into perspective if you have 74 lascannons shooting at BS 5 it would take you 5 turns to kill him.

Just fruit for thought.

I'm pretty sure it's any thousand sons unit with a blessing gets +1 invulnerable save, not if any unit has a blessing they all get +1.

If that's what you meant, wording!

What you said


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Silver144 wrote:

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:
So I'm seeing a lot of discussion on Magnus' save.

To be clear his 4++ comes from his "Crown" so it is not limited to 3++ the via MoT.

Next the Primas Power seems to be legit except it is +1 to invul saves.

There appears to be a formation that adds a +1 to your invul save if you have a "blessing" on any thousand Sons unit.

This means he can probably get a 2++ fairly easily and already rerolls 1's.

Assuming all the above is true it will take 252 caused wounds to kill Magnus.

To put that into perspective if you have 74 lascannons shooting at BS 5 it would take you 5 turns to kill him.

Just fruit for thought.

Thats true, but we should wait and see will he be able to recoup his point price. Ofc if he will smash with d-str in melee and cast some insane amount of dmg he will be not "just annoing".

I think he will, since gaze of magnus lets cleave through many units at the same time, and his ability to fly will allow him to position himself well.

 General Annoyance wrote:
What if I like the model?

I love the taunar titan model. Do you think anyone would let me put it on the board?

 Orock wrote:

 General Annoyance wrote:
What if I like the model?

I love the taunar titan model. Do you think anyone would let me put it on the board?

Put it in a 3k-pt-+ game and warn me ahead of time and I'd be completely fine with it, so long as you accepted a bit of tailoring to make sure the game wasn't a one-sided stomp.

 Orock wrote:
I love the taunar titan model. Do you think anyone would let me put it on the board?

Yes?

Even if people are reluctant to play against certain units, the point of my statement was that I want to buy the model because I like it; for me, at least, the model always comes before the rules attached to it, even more so now since I don't play 40k.

I would be more than happy to play againt a Tuna (yes, yes I don't know how to spell it) as I would be interested to see what it can do. Even if I get tabled turn 1.

People seem to forget that outside tournies it is all just about rolling dice and shuffling plastic i.e. fun.

I just ordered 3 Magnus so I can use all three heads. I will name the Cyclopes one Traditio.

 kronk wrote:
I just ordered 3 Magnus so I can use all three heads. I will name the Cyclopes one Traditio.

Do it. Buy magnets for them too, just for the sake of it.

 welshhoppo wrote:
Why would you put chips with a roast dinner?

What is wrong with the world?

Chips on a Sunday roast I can just about cope with. Those fried slices of parsnip that look like chips until you bite into them? Whoever started that gak needs to get in the sea.

 BBAP wrote:
Chips on a Sunday roast I can just about cope with. Those fried slices of parsnip that look like chips until you bite into them? Whoever started that gak needs to get in the sea.

Parsnip and sweet potato cuts are the best when you mix them with chips.

Fight me

 Pouncey wrote:

 General Annoyance wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

Umm... Aren't Cheetos those orange styrofoamy things that stain people's fingers?

I thought crisps in Britain were those thinly-sliced deep-fried potatoes that we call chips in Canada.

Technically they're cheese puffs, but nobody has time for that technicality

Crisps are the thinly sliced potatoes you get in a snack packet, chips are the things on your plate when you order a steak or cook a roast dinner on Sunday night

Yeah, in Canada we call crisps, potato chips, and we call chips, french fries.

Because different words mean different things in different countries.

 BBAP wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:
Why would you put chips with a roast dinner?

What is wrong with the world?

Chips on a Sunday roast I can just about cope with. Those fried slices of parsnip that look like chips until you bite into them? Whoever started that gak needs to get in the sea.

Wish I could exalt this more than once.

 General Annoyance wrote:

 BBAP wrote:
Chips on a Sunday roast I can just about cope with. Those fried slices of parsnip that look like chips until you bite into them? Whoever started that gak needs to get in the sea.

Parsnip and sweet potato cuts are the best when you mix them with chips.

Fight me

Sweet potato is fine because I can tell by looking it's not a proper chip and dispose of it accordingly. Parsnips are chamaeleonic impostors.

Spam Sisters of Silence squads.
If any are within 12" of hi he is at -3 LD. Get a number of them within 6" and throw as many psychic grenades as possible, you will need about eighteen.
18 grenades at BS4 = 12 its. That is twelve rolls on the Perils table, and at least two of those should come up a '1'. Magnus then takes his LD check at -3. LD 7 means he passes 50% of them time. So, with eighteen Sisters of Silence units you can kill Magnus without ever firing a shot.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Spam Sisters of Silence squads.
If any are within 12" of hi he is at -3 LD. Get a number of them within 6" and throw as many psychic grenades as possible, you will need about eighteen.
18 grenades at BS4 = 12 its. That is twelve rolls on the Perils table, and at least two of those should come up a '1'. Magnus then takes his LD check at -3. LD 7 means he passes 50% of them time. So, with eighteen Sisters of Silence units you can kill Magnus without ever firing a shot.

Magnus is immune to perils.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Spam Sisters of Silence squads.
If any are within 12" of hi he is at -3 LD. Get a number of them within 6" and throw as many psychic grenades as possible, you will need about eighteen.
18 grenades at BS4 = 12 its. That is twelve rolls on the Perils table, and at least two of those should come up a '1'. Magnus then takes his LD check at -3. LD 7 means he passes 50% of them time. So, with eighteen Sisters of Silence units you can kill Magnus without ever firing a shot.

According to rules leaks, Magnus ignore perils

I'm buying Magnus. I love the model, and I like the gravitas of the Daemon Primarchs. I have no issue with it.

But I do have a problem. My problem is that it appears that in order to use him, I'd have to buy a US $75 two book set!! That ain't happening. That's my personal boycott.

I just spent some time flipping through the WD (and it's a nice one, thanks GW for making WD a somewhat reasonable purchase again.) The Legions book is US 35$, softcover. A very appealing purchase, so I ordered that through my local game store, as well as Magnus. Wrath of Magnus is two books, one campaign book, and one rule book, and is more than twice the cost of the Legions book, for potentially less of the content game-wise. I just can't imagine it's a worthwhile purchase for me.

Maybe GW is trying to sell these books in the same vein as the Forge World campaign books? (which I also don't buy). I can sort of understand it, but it's not for me.

 DeffDred wrote:
Seems everyone forgot about the Cullexus.

Right? Or the Sisters of Silence.

From what I can figure with Magnus in-game, I think for a lot of armies the play will be to ignore Magnus himself, and kill the rest of the army. As you drop the other Sorcerors in the Tsons force, Magnus is going to lose Warp Charge, and won't be able to buff so much. Then you'll have a better time taking him out (if you actually need to). 600+ points is a lot of points for a single model.


Also: Has anyone else noticed that the Forge World Berserker conversion kit is no longer available? I wonder if it's a sign for new plastics from GW.

 BBAP wrote:
Sweet potato is fine because I can tell by looking it's not a proper chip and dispose of it accordingly. Parsnips are chamaeleonic impostors.

Guess I'm in the minority for roast vegetables with Sunday dinner then. Exalted nonetheless

In the rumor thread about him it stated he is 650 pts if anyone is wondering

Who need a big red guy, i want sneke fulgrim model and noise renagade knights for the D strength mega wubs

 Lamoura wrote:
Who need a big red guy, i want sneke fulgrim model and noise renagade knights for the D strength mega wubs

Bah, renegade knights! We have our own Slaaneshi Knightly order of the House Devine with their Hell-Knights!

 Insectum7 wrote:
Right? Or the Sisters of Silence.

Did they start selling them by themselves yet, or will I have to pay 20 dollars per model because you get 5 of them in a box set that costs 100 dollars?

 JimOnMars wrote:
Not sure yet what sisters will do...they might have to wait until January

1: Meltaspam probably. It's pretty much how we deal with anything bigger than a tactical marine at this point. That, exorcists, or allied units.
2: Yeah no, we're not getting anything new in Jan. I expect, at MOST, a rehash of what we already have, and probably weaker than what we used to have still, just like our current list.