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Martel732 wrote:
"..and this shafted guy is NEVER imperial. "

This is patently false. The consistently best army is Eldar, by a long shot.

I think he might be saying I'm a bitter Imperial Player?

I quit playing my Dark Angels and sold them all off after the 6th Ed Codex. I realized I was a battered, scarred victim of Games Workshop Codex Violence, and I didn't want to feel that way anymore. So no, I'm not current on all the idiosyncrasies of their rules. All I know is that 40K has becoming absurdly bloated with detachments/formations/rules, what ever.

I'll just sit over here in the corner playing 30K- a game that feels so, so much better then 40K. Until all the 40K -hats bought Calth and Prospuro and brought all their junk baggage with them into 30K.

So why are we boycotting Magnus the Red and his nipple horns/crotch eye again?

topaxygouroun i wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
"..and this shafted guy is NEVER imperial. "

This is patently false. The consistently best army is Eldar, by a long shot.

What does being the best army have to do with being shafted?

Here's some piece of info for imperials who can't see past the emprah. If you are not as powerful as Eldar, it does not mean you are shafted. You are shafted if you are Tyranid, if you are Ork, if you are CSM. You know, the armies you walk all over with your gladius.

While still rife with problems, CSM dont get to whine with orks and tyranids anymore. Sorry folks, gonna need a new excuse.


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 Tamwulf wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
"..and this shafted guy is NEVER imperial. "

This is patently false. The consistently best army is Eldar, by a long shot.

I think he might be saying I'm a bitter Imperial Player?

I quit playing my Dark Angels and sold them all off after the 6th Ed Codex. I realized I was a battered, scarred victim of Games Workshop Codex Violence, and I didn't want to feel that way anymore. So no, I'm not current on all the idiosyncrasies of their rules. All I know is that 40K has becoming absurdly bloated with detachments/formations/rules, what ever.

I'll just sit over here in the corner playing 30K- a game that feels so, so much better then 40K. Until all the 40K -hats bought Calth and Prospuro and brought all their junk baggage with them into 30K.

So why are we boycotting Magnus the Red and his nipple horns/crotch eye again?

Apparently, because he might be good and help CSM win games. Apparently.

Table wrote:

topaxygouroun i wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
"..and this shafted guy is NEVER imperial. "

This is patently false. The consistently best army is Eldar, by a long shot.

What does being the best army have to do with being shafted?

Here's some piece of info for imperials who can't see past the emprah. If you are not as powerful as Eldar, it does not mean you are shafted. You are shafted if you are Tyranid, if you are Ork, if you are CSM. You know, the armies you walk all over with your gladius.

While still rife with problems, CSM dont get to whine with orks and tyranids anymore. Sorry folks, gonna need a new excuse.

Hear! Hear! It's great to see all this love for CSM and I'm very interested to play against the new Legion stuff and Magnus, though I suspect I will need my best lists to give them a good game and it'll be a struggle. If a line does indeed need to be drawn somewhere this isn't where I would draw it.

topaxygouroun i wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
"..and this shafted guy is NEVER imperial. "

This is patently false. The consistently best army is Eldar, by a long shot.

What does being the best army have to do with being shafted?

Here's some piece of info for imperials who can't see past the emprah. If you are not as powerful as Eldar, it does not mean you are shafted. You are shafted if you are Tyranid, if you are Ork, if you are CSM. You know, the armies you walk all over with your gladius.

BA and IG are comparable to Orks and Tyranids.

Yes, how glorious is that.
Back in 5th these guys told us tau players that "the game is unfair, get over it", oh how the tables have turned.


And now that I have a chaos army, I can play either side of the table as well

No one in 5th could do anything close to what Tau do now. To get this level of lopsidedness, you have to go back to 2nd.

Martel732 wrote:
No one in 5th could do anything close to what Tau do now. To get this level of lopsidedness, you have to go back to 2nd.

Were you around when 5th edition Space Wolves were released? I was, and it was one of the worst cases of 'My army can beat up your army' I've ever seen. There was literally no defense against Jaws of the World Wolf, since almost nobody had any kind of real Psychic Defense. Plus, Space Wolves DID have Psychic Defense, and it was one helluva psychic defense, too, nullifying half your enemies powers if you got close. Plus, Grey Hunters were explicitly better than regular Space Marines, costing a point less, and getting +1 attack, two special weapons, and Counter Attack in a time when regular Space Marines didn't get Chapter Tactics. Long Fangs got an extra heavy weapon with no real penalty, you could add Terminators to any of your squads for 2+ armor shields at the front of any unit, (Well, inside any unit, since wound allocation was different,) and Wolf Lords on Thunderwolves were effectively unbeatable in Close Combat once you gave them Saga of the Bear.
5th edition wolves were Hella lopsided.

Yes, they were, but they didn't have immortal mcs and a list full of interceptor. They almost always used pods so that could be gamed against.

Table wrote:

While still rife with problems, CSM dont get to whine with orks and tyranids anymore. Sorry folks, gonna need a new excuse.

CSM still have a lot of problems. The whole Boon table mechanic and being overpointed to a degree.

But Traitor Legions is one hell of a positive step forward. Free VotLW across the board (it should never have cost points in the first place to be honest) and the God-legions producing Cult units.

It's very, very similar to an idea I proposed years ago (the idea of a Greater Mark and Lesser Mark system - Greater Mark creating cult units, lesser Mark doing what they do now) but it appears it's been applied wholesale, which is more than okay with me.

Martel732 wrote:
Yes, they were, but they didn't have immortal mcs and a list full of interceptor. They almost always used pods so that could be gamed against.

I think interceptor hurts your army a bit more than others. But yes, Tau are 100% top end. I went and got the codex the other day to take a closer look at storm surges and, wow. Now this may be my personal bias showing because of the army I play. But I fear Tau FAR FAR FAR more than any other army. Esp if I am running a prince or two. I do not know enough about Tau yet to figure out a hard counter for ripetide wing/storm surge spam. But at the end of the day you can still bolter down Tau MC's. Unlike eldar. So there is that. But my point is Tau are probably far worse for you to play (like me) because we use alot of air support and jump troops, CSM Rator Talon and BA.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Table wrote:

While still rife with problems, CSM dont get to whine with orks and tyranids anymore. Sorry folks, gonna need a new excuse.

CSM still have a lot of problems. The whole Boon table mechanic and being overpointed to a degree.

But Traitor Legions is one hell of a positive step forward. Free VotLW across the board (it should never have cost points in the first place to be honest) and the God-legions producing Cult units.

It's very, very similar to an idea I proposed years ago (the idea of a Greater Mark and Lesser Mark system - Greater Mark creating cult units, lesser Mark doing what they do now) but it appears it's been applied wholesale, which is more than okay with me.

Yes, and all could be fixed with a codex.

But If the rumor is true regarding 8th ed and points in the BRB, and if GW actually balances the factions, CSM is only 6 months away from the top tables.

You really can't bolter down tau mcs. They are functionally immune.

23 pages in, but in regards to the title. If a player in a league or a pick up game didnt want to play me if I had Magnus, I would most likely laugh, and then remove the model to give the player a good time none the less. However a better mind set should be that If a tournament decides to or not to allow him, then the interested entrants for said tourney can decide to play in it or not.
Book is a week old, and already we all seem to know whats OP and how each and every player will play if they use Magnus. Lets see some game play, friendly, tourney, and GT level and see how he pans out.
This auto defense of "Lets ban this, lets boycott X" really is getting pathetic.

Martel732 wrote:
Yes, they were, but they didn't have immortal mcs and a list full of interceptor. They almost always used pods so that could be gamed against.

Complaining about interceptor is a bit hypocritical, don't you think?

The ONLY thing it does is punish people who try cheeky "all offense zero defense because i got assured first shot" deep strike shenanigans.
Against anyone who deploys "normally" for a fair fight, it does literally nothing, and becomes a point sink for the tau player.


As for the immortal MC, the topic was done to death and it was shown they are actually not efficient at all at killing stuff, just in (again) punishing deepstrike with the pie plate.


Anyway, back to Magnus.
He's gorgeous, he's fun, he's rather fair on the field.

Buy ALL the Magnus!

The fun is that most of the people that complains sure are vainilla, tau or eldar hahahaha.

Lets see...Magnus has good rules, but is not inmortal at all, is a normal FMC, not gargantuan. Aaaand cost like twice than the gargantuan creatures that actually are on the game.

Boycott? really? Is way more realistic boycott the free transports of the marines, the WK, the tau huge mole or even the IK than Magnus. No mention why no boycott the graviton weapons? they are the most breaking stuff on the game 2oh, here i have my 3 centurions that will do 15 graviton shoots, as well the 3498234 ones from bikes....


My other army is Orks, and I will preffer 12313 times face Magnus than face 2 IK

"The ONLY thing it does is punish people who try cheeky "all offense zero defense because i got assured first shot" deep strike shenanigans.
Against anyone who deploys "normally" for a fair fight, it does literally nothing, and becomes a point sink for the tau player. "

It also makes limited pod usage impossible, and rewards gladius-style mass pods.


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Franarok wrote:
The fun is that most of the people that complains sure are vainilla, tau or eldar hahahaha.

Lets see...Magnus has good rules, but is not inmortal at all, is a normal FMC, not gargantuan. Aaaand cost like twice than the gargantuan creatures that actually are on the game.

Boycott? really? Is way more realistic boycott the free transports of the marines, the WK, the tau huge mole or even the IK than Magnus. No mention why no boycott the graviton weapons? they are the most breaking stuff on the game 2oh, here i have my 3 centurions that will do 15 graviton shoots, as well the 3498234 ones from bikes....


My other army is Orks, and I will preffer 12313 times face Magnus than face 2 IK

Graviton is still not as sexy as ranged D or D-flamers.

Martel732 wrote:
...Graviton is still not as sexy as ranged D or D-flamers...

That's the root of the issue, isn't it? We get angry and shout about D-weapons while lots and lots of game-breaking stuff slips past while we're distracted.

I can handle grav, even with BA. It's invisible grav sources I can't handle.

 Tamwulf wrote:
I'll just sit over here in the corner playing 30K- a game that feels so, so much better then 40K. Until all the 40K -hats bought Calth and Prospuro and brought all their junk baggage with them into 30K.

Funny, I feel the same way about 40k-- it was much better before all the lame, half-assed 30k bullgak started to be shoveled in to it. And 30k was better before it started getting books and rules and miniatures, when it was the distant, mythical past of 40k, not a defined thing.

Franarok wrote:
The fun is that most of the people that complains sure are vainilla, tau or eldar hahahaha.

Well, there's those that legitimately hate what's happening to 40k... and those that just are upset that they might be on the receiving end of cheese this time.

I think boycotting GW is not going to work. They brought out the model so it will be played.

It is GW so it will not be balanced.
The only thing you can do is choose not play it when you know it is gonna ruin your own fun, but if it is good in competition it will sell. If it is OP people always start playing it competitively... We can whine about it as much as we want. As soon as it is released, it is out there and nothing much more to do about it then to accept that it is part of the game.

Martel732 wrote:
You really can't bolter down tau mcs. They are functionally immune.

It was more of a crack at their lower toughness values than say, eldar. I would never suggest trying to bolter down a riptide wing.

Franarok wrote:
The fun is that most of the people that complains sure are vainilla, tau or eldar hahahaha.

Lets see...Magnus has good rules, but is not inmortal at all, is a normal FMC, not gargantuan. Aaaand cost like twice than the gargantuan creatures that actually are on the game.

Boycott? really? Is way more realistic boycott the free transports of the marines, the WK, the tau huge mole or even the IK than Magnus. No mention why no boycott the graviton weapons? they are the most breaking stuff on the game 2oh, here i have my 3 centurions that will do 15 graviton shoots, as well the 3498234 ones from bikes....


My other army is Orks, and I will preffer 12313 times face Magnus than face 2 IK

I agree with all said, here and now. And know in 5 months when the new rules drop, and MC's can not be stomped out or effected with D in the same manner, I will still agree with you!
Play the game. If you can't take the extra gun power, or D power, or free anything for any reason, there is always AOS. And I mean that in all seriousness, I took a break recently from crazy, competitive, 40k play to enjoy some laid back AOS, to my shock I actually I enjoyed it.

 BoomWolf wrote:

Anyway, back to Magnus.
He's gorgeous, he's fun, he's rather fair on the field.

Why does he have 3 head options and only 1 pair of nipple horns? My only complaint, really.

 koooaei wrote:

Why does he have 3 head options and only 1 pair of nipple horns? My only complaint, really.

Nipple horns are mandatory!

After watching both Conan and Legend recently, I briefly considered not putting on the chest armor at all and just going bare-chested. It's a bit of a shame to cover up that well sculpted daemon primarch man-meat.

 Insectum7 wrote:
After watching both Conan and Legend recently, I briefly considered not putting on the chest armor at all and just going bare-chested. It's a bit of a shame to cover up that well sculpted daemon primarch man-meat.

If that's the case, why not just use ONE horn?

On his codpiece.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
After watching both Conan and Legend recently, I briefly considered not putting on the chest armor at all and just going bare-chested. It's a bit of a shame to cover up that well sculpted daemon primarch man-meat.

If that's the case, why not just use ONE horn?

On his codpiece.

Yeah, and half the galaxy would be asking whether or not he's trying to compensate for something.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

Why does he have 3 head options and only 1 pair of nipple horns? My only complaint, really.

Nipple horns are mandatory!

After watching both Conan and Legend recently, I briefly considered not putting on the chest armor at all and just going bare-chested. It's a bit of a shame to cover up that well sculpted daemon primarch man-meat.

I was watching the painting video for him, and after seeing him without armor, I decided that if/when I get him, I'm going to leave 90% off that off. "Nipple horns" vs badass cut abs

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
After watching both Conan and Legend recently, I briefly considered not putting on the chest armor at all and just going bare-chested. It's a bit of a shame to cover up that well sculpted daemon primarch man-meat.

If that's the case, why not just use ONE horn?

On his codpiece.

That'd be Nurgle

My main issue with Magnus is trying to figure out if I can add his chest armor, but NOT use the Daemon Nipples. They're separate bits, but I imagine the chest plate has some pretty obvious places to add the horns and... it'll just look like he has big pancake nipples on his armor if I leave the horns off.

the chest piece comes in 2 parts. You have a basic breastplate that you can then add the ornamentation onto. Its this second part that the horns attach to. There are two slots for each horn to attach into.

so you can go bare chested, a minimalistic breastplate, or the more ornate breastplate with horns.

I personally plan to greenstuff the slots for the horns so I can have an ornate chest piece with out the horns

Maybe just put little horns there instead?